Is this a baseline that intelligent and knowledgable Giants fans can all agree on?
1) He gave an heroic performance last night, keeping the team in a game in which they were thoroughly outplayed on both sides of the LOS and his receivers were possibly the worst group of receivers ever to take the field on game day.
2) None of us have any idea what Schoen, Daboll, and Kafka think of Jones, nor do we have any idea if they plan on keeping him around next year (whether it be on a multi-year deal, a one or two year deal, or under the franchise tag).
Three games and every game has looked similar offensively.
Game 1: 21 pts, 19 1Ds, 394 YDs
Game 2: 19 pts, 16 1Ds, 265 YDs
Game 3: 16 pts, 22 1Ds, 336 YDs
If Gano doesn't get that field goal blocked, the offensive output last night is basically the output of the first two games.
The Giants are probably lucky they won those first two games, given how bad the offense is.
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everything Schoen/Daboll are thinking with regards to Jones, that doesn't make it a strong argument.
A strong argument is using the logic related to passing on the 5th year option...
The Browns and Jets picked up the options on Mayfield and Darnold and changed their minds about them one year later. The Rams and Niners went to Super Bowls with Goff and Garapallo, gave them tens of millions in guaranteed money, and then changed their minds about them. But according to you, Schoen is so sure of his ability to judge talent from a distance that not picking up Jones's 5th year option can only mean that he has conclusively decided that Jones is not in the team's 2023 plans.
Not sure I place much weight on the decisions those different teams/GMs made, under different scenarios, with different QBs, having anything to do with Jones and the Giants option.
And I am not sure of Schoen's ability to judge talent as of yet. But I am sure that had he perceived a sufficient level of talent in Jones, then he would have exercised the option on a player at the most important position on the field...
Group A: Jones has not been given a fair shot because of 4 different OC’s and 3 different HC’s. The OL has limited what he can do. When he has time and weapons, he can be very good. The example here would be the game in New Orleans last year.
Group B: Jones is not good enough to elevate a team on his own like the elite QB’s. He does not produce enough with points/TD’s. He plays the game slow and turns the ball over too much.
I don’t think opinions will change. At 2-1, we’ll see how the rest of the season goes.
Nailed it
JS made the only sensible decision. Let it play out. Evaluate and make a decision at years end. Giants win 4 games and a QB they like falls into their lap you don't want to have to deal with Jones. He performs way above expectations you franchise him or have the leverage in contract extensions.
Don't over think things. This one was pretty easy to see.
I suspect the big thing they are evaluating is who plays QB in 2023 in case they can't get someone they like in the draft. Expectations for BD will be to win. You only get so much time. Reach for a draft pick or go with someone that can help with that effort.
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I’m just as guilty for it too. But, I think it boils down to two things:
Group A: Jones has not been given a fair shot because of 4 different OC’s and 3 different HC’s. The OL has limited what he can do. When he has time and weapons, he can be very good. The example here would be the game in New Orleans last year.
Group B: Jones is not good enough to elevate a team on his own like the elite QB’s. He does not produce enough with points/TD’s. He plays the game slow and turns the ball over too much.
I don’t think opinions will change. At 2-1, we’ll see how the rest of the season goes.
Nailed it
Mayfield
Darnold
Rosen
Wentz
Murray.
Then let's run out the receivers we had last night and see what they can do.
Mayfield
Darnold
Rosen
Wentz
Murray.
Then let's run out the receivers we had last night and see what they can do.
Let's sign DJ to a second contract and guarantee we have:
Mayfield
Darnold
Rosen
Wentz
I don't recall the injury/prognosis was ever clarified, HIPAA considerations not withstanding. That no one ever said, "We expect DJ to make a full recovery" by the time the option had to be exercised seems relevant.
I don't recall the injury/prognosis was ever clarified, HIPAA considerations not withstanding. That no one ever said, "We expect DJ to make a full recovery" by the time the option had to be exercised seems relevant.
(2) he's been actively scouting college QBs, and
(3) The Tyrod contract being a 2-year deal signifies to me that they look at Tyrod as a bridge QB next year to at least partially redshirt a rookie QB.
All signs point to DJ being gone after this season. That said, DJ has the power to change the narrative, but he must do it definitively, it can't just be, "he did ok."
I don't recall the injury/prognosis was ever clarified, HIPAA considerations not withstanding. That no one ever said, "We expect DJ to make a full recovery" by the time the option had to be exercised seems relevant.
Daboll said Jones was fully healed at the NFL’s annual spring meetings in March, and that he would be doing full workouts well in advance of the deadline on the option.
So...
All signs point to DJ being gone after this season. That said, DJ has the power to change the narrative, but he must do it definitively, it can't just be, "he did ok."
Not if the Giants determine that Jones "ok," gives the Giants a better chance to win rather than Taylor.
JS made the only sensible decision. Let it play out. Evaluate and make a decision at years end. Giants win 4 games and a QB they like falls into their lap you don't want to have to deal with Jones. He performs way above expectations you franchise him or have the leverage in contract extensions.
Don't over think things. This one was pretty easy to see.
I suspect the big thing they are evaluating is who plays QB in 2023 in case they can't get someone they like in the draft. Expectations for BD will be to win. You only get so much time. Reach for a draft pick or go with someone that can help with that effort.
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All signs point to DJ being gone after this season. That said, DJ has the power to change the narrative, but he must do it definitively, it can't just be, "he did ok."
Not if the Giants determine that Jones "ok," gives the Giants a better chance to win rather than Taylor.
That will not happen. That would require at least a tag if not extension. For that money, 'ok' isn't going to earn that, because they need to start the clock on the rebuild with a QB of their choosing. Can't afford to kick the can down the road.
Tiffany is the next Giants QB - ( New Window )
And i keep seeing this notion that no qb would of been able to win in the same situation as monday night, thats BS..
If Dallas brought the pressure and played up like they were doing against, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes they would of beat Dallas..
Probably a few others..Jones did a great job last night and i was impressed by how he performed but lets not overreact they still only scored 1 TD
And i keep seeing this notion that no qb would of been able to win in the same situation as monday night, thats BS..
If Dallas brought the pressure and played up like they were doing against, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes they would of beat Dallas..
Probably a few others..Jones did a great job last night and i was impressed by how he performed but lets not overreact they still only scored 1 TD
Do you not take into account the drops in key moments? The INT where the receiver fell down? The fact that our #1 pick last year didnt play, our #2 pick this year didnt play, our way overpaid FA WR souldnt have played and our best WR had a bad drop and tore his ACL while on a slow jog down the field. Richie James is now our leading WR and has 52 career receptions since 2018. Go read Sy's write up on the WRs.
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you can win WITH him but you wont win BECAUSE of him, thats the reality of Daniel Jones..
And i keep seeing this notion that no qb would of been able to win in the same situation as monday night, thats BS..
If Dallas brought the pressure and played up like they were doing against, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes they would of beat Dallas..
Probably a few others..Jones did a great job last night and i was impressed by how he performed but lets not overreact they still only scored 1 TD
Do you not take into account the drops in key moments? The INT where the receiver fell down? The fact that our #1 pick last year didnt play, our #2 pick this year didnt play, our way overpaid FA WR souldnt have played and our best WR had a bad drop and tore his ACL while on a slow jog down the field. Richie James is now our leading WR and has 52 career receptions since 2018. Go read Sy's write up on the WRs.
yes i do, This idea a frachise QB coukdnt win in that scenario really isnt true..
First off the Cowboys scheme it different, they hsd no fear of Jones beating them deep, as soon as the Giants were in a passing down the cowboys brought the heat with no fear, part of that is the wrs but the other is Jones, teams dont fear him..
You dont blitz guys like rodgers or mahomes or Brady or any top QBs because they will pick you apart regardless of the WR talent..
I domt blame Jones for drops but the game is 100% different if Jones is a franchise QB
Can you live with a team whose maximum win total each season caps out around 9? I think I couldn't.
Some of the better plays by Daniel Jones last night (B Skinner) - ( New Window )
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Worth mentioning, if memory serves - Eli was very much trashed, undermined, with 'not the guy'-sentiments for a long time with way more stability of regime, weaponry, O-line, etc. Even when he performed, people would still not put him in that highest of high categories. Can you live with Jones being a top 10-14 QB? I think I could.
Can you live with a team whose maximum win total each season caps out around 9? I think I couldn't.
Giants won their past 2 SB's with 9 win teams.
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Worth mentioning, if memory serves - Eli was very much trashed, undermined, with 'not the guy'-sentiments for a long time with way more stability of regime, weaponry, O-line, etc. Even when he performed, people would still not put him in that highest of high categories. Can you live with Jones being a top 10-14 QB? I think I could.
Can you live with a team whose maximum win total each season caps out around 9? I think I couldn't.
Giants won their past 2 SB's with 9 win teams.
Good lord. The board is just loaded with good thoughts today...
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK HAS DANIEL JONES DONE ANYWHERE THAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE HIS IS LIKE THAT?
Gimme a break.
The notion the Giants should commit good money on a short agreement to Jones, because "who else?" is so strange.