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| Ah & one more if you're interested... DJ's arm strength is his best weapon. On throws 15+ yards downfield... 2021: 32% comp, 5 TD, 4 INT, 45.1 QBR 2022: 50% comp, 5 TD, 0 INT, 99.3 QBR |
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| 3.) DJ lost weight and is more athletic. On designed runs, he's avg 5.81 yards/carry, a 35% improvement from last year & on scrambles, he's already eclipsed his yds after contact from 2021 (54 in '22, 53 last year), forcing 9 missed tackles (just 3 all of last season). |
Wake’s defense was abysmal in that game (very entertaining though and Hartman’s ball placement was phenomenal on more than one occasion)
Clemson’s had a big drop off at WR after being a factory for a hot minute.
- 78-of-117 passing (67%)
- 914
- 5 TDs, 0 INTs
- 4 rushing TDs, 28 carries for 60 yards
Against ND he was 29 of 44 for 439 yards and 2 TDs, 0 INTs
In his second year Clemson started a true freshman at left tackle who was a turnstile, eventually replaced. The whole OL was a mess and contributed to DJ have an awful year.
This year with an average OL DJ seems to be bouncing back.
I think he is a robot and he's not on my short list, but his stats from year 1 to 2 to 3 show the effect a bad OL has on QB performance.
i'd have no problem with that. i'd like a more "dynamic" QB (whatever that means), but DJ has real arm talent and is able to run the ball when necessary.
I wouldn't be surprised if he stays at Clemson for a 4th year though. He needs to wash 2021 off of his resume.
Enough with the "developmental" QB. They dont develop. You dont pick a QB when they have a 2% chance of making it, its just wasting a draft pick
For every Dak there are 20 guys who fail (Lauletta, Nassib, Webb)
The Jones sucks crowd wanted to take Malik Willis at #5 or 7 and he went 86th. They also wanted to take Ridder or Corral at 36 and they went 74th and 94th
If Daboll/Schoen have a strong conviction on a QB in the top 15 (figuring we are drafting in the top 15), I have more faith in them to take the right QB than I had in previous administrations. But taking a flyer on later round QBs just isnt statistically sound when this team needs MLBs, interior OL, another corner, WRs
Enough with the "developmental" QB. They dont develop. You dont pick a QB when they have a 2% chance of making it, its just wasting a draft pick
For every Dak there are 20 guys who fail (Lauletta, Nassib, Webb)
The Jones sucks crowd wanted to take Malik Willis at #5 or 7 and he went 86th. They also wanted to take Ridder or Corral at 36 and they went 74th and 94th
If Daboll/Schoen have a strong conviction on a QB in the top 15 (figuring we are drafting in the top 15), I have more faith in them to take the right QB than I had in previous administrations. But taking a flyer on later round QBs just isnt statistically sound when this team needs MLBs, interior OL, another corner, WRs
Pennington's arm strength was his one major flaw. If DJ has a Pennington-level arm, no thanks.
Clemson started a true freshman at LT. The offensive line was brutal and they had nothing at WR.
That’s tough for a 19/20 year old to deal with in their first year as a starter
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But probably not with a 1st. My big concerns are his processing and ability to pick up an offense. He struggled mightily last year on a pretty talented team and I'd want to know why.
Clemson started a true freshman at LT. The offensive line was brutal and they had nothing at WR.
That’s tough for a 19/20 year old to deal with in their first year as a starter
I'd excuse that against tougher teams, but a down year for Clemson was still an 8-3 team. He was pedestrian or worse all year long, even in blowouts.
Again, I'm open minded because he has played better thus far this year and his arm strength would be near or at the top of the NFL. I actually opined on the last college thread if he decides to declare after a strong season or he stays put to cement his draft status.
Hard pass. Sounds too much like Josh Allen coming out of college.
Is anything I just posted incorrect? No. So how is it absurd?
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Is anything I just posted incorrect? No. So how is it absurd?
We’re having a causal conversation about a player and you somehow make it into a Daniel Jones thing and with your nonsense about how QBs fail if they’re not taken in x spot.
Enough with the "developmental" QB. They dont develop. You dont pick a QB when they have a 2% chance of making it, its just wasting a draft pick
For every Dak there are 20 guys who fail (Lauletta, Nassib, Webb)
The Jones sucks crowd wanted to take Malik Willis at #5 or 7 and he went 86th. They also wanted to take Ridder or Corral at 36 and they went 74th and 94th
If Daboll/Schoen have a strong conviction on a QB in the top 15 (figuring we are drafting in the top 15), I have more faith in them to take the right QB than I had in previous administrations. But taking a flyer on later round QBs just isnt statistically sound when this team needs MLBs, interior OL, another corner, WRs
Why do we care if Nassib, Lauletta, etc didn't pan out? Schoen didn't pick them. You can't grade picks without factoring in the organizations and coaching that went along with it.
What's your assessment on Russel Wilson, Cousins, Carr, Lamar Jackson (effectively a 2nd rounder), Hurts, etc?
Saying no just because the percentage is low is what a shitty GM would do.
You have it backwards, as usual. Their failure rate is not caused by where they're drafted.
Where they're taken has everything to do with the inherent riskiness of the prospects themselves.
Drew Brees was taken in the 2nd round, he didn't fail. But he was drafted in the 2nd round because he was on the smaller side (and the prototype pocket passer was much more of a thing then).
Lamar Jackson was taken ONE PICK before the 2nd round, and has not failed. But he was drafted 32nd overall because there were questions about him as a passer, and some teams viewed him as a skill position player instead. He would have been a 2nd round pick but for the Ravens trading up solely for the purpose of acquiring the 5th year option. They could otherwise have traded up to the #33 spot instead, but they wanted to have the 5th year option in their pocket to reward themselves for his development.
You seem to be suggesting that the draft slot dictates the player's trajectory, but the opposite is the case. The riskier a player's projection, the more likely he is to slide in the draft. So the risk of that failure is baked into the value of the draft slot. Often, that means high ceiling, low floor. The chance for a steal in the draft, but a chance of a complete non-contributor also. And that polarity is why some players drop in the draft - this applies to ALL positions, not just QBs.
It would appear that you think that if you take that risky QB prospect in the top 15 overall, you somehow cure the risk. You don't.
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
That applies to every single position on the football field.
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
So Lamar didn’t have enough talent?
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they are taken 2nd round or later because NFL teams, with 98% accuracy, decide they arent going to be good enough to become franchise QBs
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
That applies to every single position on the football field.
How many 2nd-7th round WRs or CBs or any other position become difference makers vs 2nd-7th round QBs becoming franchise QBs? The odds are much greater that the non-QB will become a difference maker
The facts are for every Dak or Lamar there are 10 QBs drafted 2nd round or later who dont become franchise QBs. Which makes the chances so low that its not worth taking a QB after round 1 for a team with so many needs
You're still looking at 4 legit starters with a commonality of really good physical tools and downgraded either because thery were a little rough around the edges or played against lesser competition.
If Uigalelei finishes the year strong he could easily sneak into the first with his measurables.
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they are taken 2nd round or later because NFL teams, with 98% accuracy, decide they arent going to be good enough to become franchise QBs
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
That applies to every single position on the football field.
How many 2nd-7th round WRs or CBs or any other position become difference makers vs 2nd-7th round QBs becoming franchise QBs? The odds are much greater that the non-QB will become a difference maker
The facts are for every Dak or Lamar there are 10 QBs drafted 2nd round or later who dont become franchise QBs. Which makes the chances so low that its not worth taking a QB after round 1 for a team with so many needs
How many of those other positions bust?
The ratios are the same, the difference is there are just more players at almost every other position who actually play. So if, by your metric, 10% of QBs taken after the 1st round actually succeed, I'd argue that the same applies to WRs and CBs, but no one is losing any sleep over a 2nd round WR that doesn't reach his potential.
But the point is still the same - if you are only willing to view the draft through studs/busts lenses, then you might as well not draft anyone after the 1st round.
The reality is that if you take a QB in the 2nd round or later and all he becomes is a placeholder/backup QB, you're still in a favorable position compared to the inertia and cost of bringing back DJ at 3x+ his current price.
You're still looking at 4 legit starters with a commonality of really good physical tools and downgraded either because thery were a little rough around the edges or played against lesser competition.
If Uigalelei finishes the year strong he could easily sneak into the first with his measurables.
Great, now name all the QBs taken after the 1st round who didnt become franchise QBs?
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Lamar was the last pick of the 1st round, but you've still got Dak, Russel Wilson, Derek Carr, and maybe Jalen Hurts. I'll leave Tom Brady off as an extreme outlier.
You're still looking at 4 legit starters with a commonality of really good physical tools and downgraded either because thery were a little rough around the edges or played against lesser competition.
If Uigalelei finishes the year strong he could easily sneak into the first with his measurables.
Great, now name all the QBs taken after the 1st round who didnt become franchise QBs?
Should I name all the 1st round QBs who didn't become franchise QBs? Should I name all the [fill in position] drafted after the 1st round that didn't become franchise [fill in position]s?
What are you even arguing about if we don't even know where Uiagelelei is getting drafted?
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they are taken 2nd round or later because NFL teams, with 98% accuracy, decide they arent going to be good enough to become franchise QBs
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
That applies to every single position on the football field.
How many 2nd-7th round WRs or CBs or any other position become difference makers vs 2nd-7th round QBs becoming franchise QBs? The odds are much greater that the non-QB will become a difference maker
The facts are for every Dak or Lamar there are 10 QBs drafted 2nd round or later who dont become franchise QBs. Which makes the chances so low that its not worth taking a QB after round 1 for a team with so many needs
How many of those other positions bust?
The ratios are the same, the difference is there are just more players at almost every other position who actually play. So if, by your metric, 10% of QBs taken after the 1st round actually succeed, I'd argue that the same applies to WRs and CBs, but no one is losing any sleep over a 2nd round WR that doesn't reach his potential.
But the point is still the same - if you are only willing to view the draft through studs/busts lenses, then you might as well not draft anyone after the 1st round.
The reality is that if you take a QB in the 2nd round or later and all he becomes is a placeholder/backup QB, you're still in a favorable position compared to the inertia and cost of bringing back DJ at 3x+ his current price.
The ratios arent close to the failure rate of QBs
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they are taken 2nd round or later because NFL teams, with 98% accuracy, decide they arent going to be good enough to become franchise QBs
Its a talent level issue. If they had more talent, they would be taken in the 1st round
That applies to every single position on the football field.
How many 2nd-7th round WRs or CBs or any other position become difference makers vs 2nd-7th round QBs becoming franchise QBs? The odds are much greater that the non-QB will become a difference maker
The facts are for every Dak or Lamar there are 10 QBs drafted 2nd round or later who dont become franchise QBs. Which makes the chances so low that its not worth taking a QB after round 1 for a team with so many needs
How many of those other positions bust?
The ratios are the same, the difference is there are just more players at almost every other position who actually play. So if, by your metric, 10% of QBs taken after the 1st round actually succeed, I'd argue that the same applies to WRs and CBs, but no one is losing any sleep over a 2nd round WR that doesn't reach his potential.
But the point is still the same - if you are only willing to view the draft through studs/busts lenses, then you might as well not draft anyone after the 1st round.
The reality is that if you take a QB in the 2nd round or later and all he becomes is a placeholder/backup QB, you're still in a favorable position compared to the inertia and cost of bringing back DJ at 3x+ his current price.
The ratios arent close to the failure rate of QBs
You're using "franchise QB" as your success benchmark. I would say that Pro Bowl at any other position is roughly equivalent, would you agree?
Based on that, what do you think the success rate is for all non-QB positions?