I do think he played his best game of the season and showed some serious grit. However I found this lingering after the game.
Did anyone have any confidence that he was going to lead the team down the field on the last drive?
I didn't, not even a little. I was always confident in Eli no matter what kind of game it was, his protection etc.
Players can feel that too, our players, the other teams. I think that's really what it comes down to for me and DJ. I want to be able to watch a team on that kind of drive that I'm amped up to watch because I know they have a good shot. His receiver did fall down, that isn't his fault, but that doesn't change the fact that I was expecting a bad play to happen involving him.
every time - EVERY time - they showed the behind angle, he had a guy in his face with no one even looking at him, never mind open. how can you blame him for that?
i was impressed that he got the FG score the possession before to make it a on-score game, but a TD in that scenario was a longshot for anyone.
It's not about that, to my point Eli could get hammered all day and had some real bad OLs but he had a different gear.
But to address the other thing. How is it that people can look at 4 years of college and 4 years of the NFL, have him never put up good numbers and it's always the fault of his teammates? It can't be everyone else's fault only, always.
I post about lots of different things, seems like you just mostly like to grumble at people about BS. Congratulations on all the value you provide
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It's not about that, to my point Eli could get hammered all day and had some real bad OLs but he had a different gear.
But to address the other thing. How is it that people can look at 4 years of college and 4 years of the NFL, have him never put up good numbers and it's always the fault of his teammates? It can't be everyone else's fault only, always.
I'm not really defending him, i actually agree with you 100%, and i cant wait for him to not be on the Giants anymore.
I was just quoting Sy on his game review.
Even at 2-0 i was sticking to my 6 wins prediction, the Giants roster is awful
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and a freshman O-line
It's not about that, to my point Eli could get hammered all day and had some real bad OLs but he had a different gear.
But to address the other thing. How is it that people can look at 4 years of college and 4 years of the NFL, have him never put up good numbers and it's always the fault of his teammates? It can't be everyone else's fault only, always.
Actually, it’s literally the other way around. The narrative of Jones is he’s a turnover machine, and doesn’t have what it takes. The guy previous post is right. If he’s playing this well with a JV receiving core, and a “freshman” offensive line, and under a new system once again that he’s still getting comfortable with…. Why do people doubt him when ONE DAY, he might actually have established offensive line, a receiving core he can count on and their reliable, and a system he feels comfortable with? Has anyone even thought of that?
If Sills does not slip, they are out to the 40/45 yard line.
Whereas, before I though he had no chance, now I think he has a "chance." Hi legs alone is a great equalizer.
I would say we had no confidence in the OL to hold up for an entire drive to give Jones a chance to win the game
Jones, I expect at best a 35-45 yard FG.
Its drivel at this point. Why should we act like week 1 and 2 didn't happen, along with putting them in position to win (or tie) in week 3 because he didn't lead Duke to more wins? Lol.
I don't think Jones is the long term answer either, but i'm going to be open minded about him and base his level of play on...gasp, his current level of play.
And even if Sills catches that ball, the Dallas defense would change how they played for the remaining 50+ yards. Do you have confidence the Giants score a TD in the red zone with just a few seconds?
Best chance Giants had on that drive was to start off sending everybody deep a few times and see if they could sneak Jones through for a couple of big QB runs and get to midfield. Then figure it out from there. Once he started passing, it was just a matter of time before they self-destructed.
Eli lost the late game magic at the end of his career too. I wonder why?
Eli lost the late game magic at the end of his career too. I wonder why?
Because he was old?
One of my favorite parts about BBI is when posters glom onto one line in one of Sy's reports and repeat it over and over again.
It really helps show the capacity for critical thought vs. parrot-like repetition.
I personally didn't have much confidence on Monday night b/c their defense had been kicking our butts all game and it was obvious we did not have a dynamic passing game... but to act like DJ has never done this before (you know, like in Week 1) seems a bit odd.
I personally didn't have much confidence on Monday night b/c their defense had been kicking our butts all game and it was obvious we did not have a dynamic passing game... but to act like DJ has never done this before (you know, like in Week 1) seems a bit odd.
That's a lot of if's and might's and maybe's and someday's to base a new contract on. If DJ needs everything to be perfect, then none of it is about DJ and there's no reason to keep him.
But just keep hoping as hard as you can, Tinkerbell.
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Toomer and Steve Smith - maybe you'd feel differently.
Eli lost the late game magic at the end of his career too. I wonder why?
Because he was old?
Nope.
I personally didn't have much confidence on Monday night b/c their defense had been kicking our butts all game and it was obvious we did not have a dynamic passing game... but to act like DJ has never done this before (you know, like in Week 1) seems a bit odd.
Did DJ do that in game 1, or did Barkley?
If you aren’t convinced it matters then look around the league. Which QBs are performing at a high level through 3 weeks despite playing with a bottom tier OL and WR corps? Brady/Rodgers/Wilson and a slew of others have been fairly pedestrian. While I expect that to course correct it isn’t a guarantee and you are going to see atleast 1 of them struggle to score compared to earlier in their careers with better teams.
Agree with this.
which again goes to the idea for many here that DJ is the cause of all of our hardships (and god forbid anyone talk about the supporting cast) but when good things happen everyone else gets the credit.
I am no DJ fan boy. He is what he is... and it ain't great. we can debate some of the reasons for that but really, who cares at this point. He won't be here next here so all that matters (to me) is getting the most enjoyment out of this season as possible and hoping this coaching/front office staff are the read deal.
I said this in another thread, if DJ was playing for Dallas he would have looked like Josh Allen light
And to answer someone else, yes, you put Aaron Rodgers back there I'm at the edge of my seat expecting a tie game.
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It's not about that, to my point Eli could get hammered all day and had some real bad OLs but he had a different gear.
But to address the other thing. How is it that people can look at 4 years of college and 4 years of the NFL, have him never put up good numbers and it's always the fault of his teammates? It can't be everyone else's fault only, always.
So is it fair to say in game 3 of 2007 you believed Eli would drive the team to win the game in the final minutes? If i recall correctly, most people were ready to show him the door and I strongly doubt you had that level of confidence in him so early.
Lets compare apples to apples here...
That’s just an excuse.
All of this comparing Jones to the best NFL QBs is so odd. All of you know that Rodgers would have made that same throw I guess? Not choose another receiver?
Some of you are really good at predicting events that are impossible to speak on!
Part of this is Eli did it in college. He came to the NFL with a reputation for coming up big. DJ had zero of that, kind of the opposite. The mental gymnastics around this stuff is A+ though.
You don't inspire with arguments around "doing fine for what you have" it is almost always about getting more of what you have.
Jones in his pro and college career has little to no experience as the difference maker, especially when it most counts and that's pretty damning, or at least it should be for everyone.
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and a freshman O-line
One of my favorite parts about BBI is when posters glom onto one line in one of Sy's reports and repeat it over and over again.
It really helps show the capacity for critical thought vs. parrot-like repetition.
You mean as opposed to those that glom onto what happened under previous regimes and what is said by mundane BBI posters and refuse to see the improvements?
Yeah, I agree...
which again goes to the idea for many here that DJ is the cause of all of our hardships (and god forbid anyone talk about the supporting cast) but when good things happen everyone else gets the credit.
I am no DJ fan boy. He is what he is... and it ain't great. we can debate some of the reasons for that but really, who cares at this point. He won't be here next here so all that matters (to me) is getting the most enjoyment out of this season as possible and hoping this coaching/front office staff are the read deal.
No one thinks Jones is the cause of -all- the Giants problems
Those of us who want to move on recognize the cast around him is bad. We just believe he's part of the offensive issues on the whole and not a victim of them
And to answer someone else, yes, you put Aaron Rodgers back there I'm at the edge of my seat expecting a tie game.
Literally 10+ people said they did. Its amazing how you look at everything through this make believe negative lens. These threads bashing DJ are so ridiculous at this point