Gio and Boomer brought up a depressing BUT interesting point. -Saquon is healthy, doing well and at high value
-Giants are so far from being a contender that they still need to find more talent in the draft
-A few teams, including Bills(with a good relationship with Schoen)lack a running game and need to depressure Allen and are about as close to winning a SB as ever
-Jones is probably gone and with the WRs we have now, it's basically a Pop Warner team with Saquon wasting his time anyways
Take the draft pick trade and run? Stick with the fan fave for another season? Front office would get roasted for it but Saquon has no value if he gets hurt again. Its all poker now folks
Might as well trade Daboll before we go under sub-500…..
Kenny Golladay has a horrible offensive line, no secondary receivers and a QB the team declined a fifth year option on. Tell me again why he needs to go?
Oh yeah...because you can evaluate a player without having a perfect structure around him.
Stop with the Mara BS. If Schoen feels he can get good value for Barkley, he will do it. Barkley is a FA and may not even want to re-sign here.
I think that after what Mara has done, especially with dumpster fire Gettleman, he will let Schoen do what needs to be done.
Until then build around him, Thomas, Love, Mckinney and Neal.
The comp pick is in the second year(2024) and at max a late 3rd rounder...if Buffalo offers a 2nd or a 3rd and 4th, it may be worth it.
Hell yes, I would like to keep Barkley but if they determine they will not re-sign him, then you need to trade him.
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from a midseason RB trade worth taking away one of the few watchable elements of this team? There's always potential for a comp pick if you're moving on from Barkley. Maybe a pick as good as you'd get in trade.
The comp pick is in the second year(2024) and at max a late 3rd rounder...if Buffalo offers a 2nd or a 3rd and 4th, it may be worth it.
Hell yes, I would like to keep Barkley but if they determine they will not re-sign him, then you need to trade him.
Comp picks also get negated by FA signings, which Giants will most likely need
But trading him for a 3rd or 4th? That's just dumb. You franchise him for a year. You will get the same return then anyway
Exactly. AGAIN, this is a fantasy. NFL teams have learned that RBs are not worth premium picks. No one is going to give the Giants a package that outweighs what we get from him playing out the year. Barkley is worth more to the Giants than what he would get in trade, at most a 5th round pick or lower. Why would someone give us a first round pick for a guy with 13 games left? Absolute insanity.
I think Jones and some of the WRs are gone, but SB could still stick.
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from a midseason RB trade worth taking away one of the few watchable elements of this team? There's always potential for a comp pick if you're moving on from Barkley. Maybe a pick as good as you'd get in trade.
Exactly. AGAIN, this is a fantasy. NFL teams have learned that RBs are not worth premium picks. No one is going to give the Giants a package that outweighs what we get from him playing out the year. Barkley is worth more to the Giants than what he would get in trade, at most a 5th round pick or lower. Why would someone give us a first round pick for a guy with 13 games left? Absolute insanity.
Because he really helps them get to the Super Bowl? Look what the Rams did to get to the Super Bowl last year... You trade for him, you re-sign him and you keep your offense together.
Come down to, what is a Super Bowl worth?
Oh yeah...because you can evaluate a player without having a perfect structure around him.
You've really outdone yourself here. It's almost impressive.
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from a midseason RB trade worth taking away one of the few watchable elements of this team? There's always potential for a comp pick if you're moving on from Barkley. Maybe a pick as good as you'd get in trade.
Exactly. AGAIN, this is a fantasy. NFL teams have learned that RBs are not worth premium picks. No one is going to give the Giants a package that outweighs what we get from him playing out the year. Barkley is worth more to the Giants than what he would get in trade, at most a 5th round pick or lower. Why would someone give us a first round pick for a guy with 13 games left? Absolute insanity.
Because he really helps them get to the Super Bowl? Look what the Rams did to get to the Super Bowl last year... You trade for him, you re-sign him and you keep your offense together.
Come down to, what is a Super Bowl worth?
More importantly, what is an RB worth coming off an injury and with only 13 games left in a contract? The Rams didn't trade for an RB though, and positions matter. The RB position is devalued because you can get relatively same production from non-premium picks.
No one is giving us a top pick for Barkley. We might as well keep him.
The fact is their RB situation is not good but they can get away with that because they have a star QB, a star WR, and very good secondary receivers/TEs
Buffalo has playmakers at other positions, the Giants dont. The Giants need to keep playmakers
If you trade Barkley, then trade Leo Williams, Adoree Jackson, and everyone else. And good luck signing guys like McKinney and Thomas and Love when the time comes because they wont want to start over from scratch next year and go 3-14 in 2023 and 2024
Mathematically at least, just about every team will still be in playoff contention a month from now.
More importantly, what is an RB worth coming off an injury and with only 13 games left in a contract? The Rams didn't trade for an RB though, and positions matter. The RB position is devalued because you can get relatively same production from non-premium picks.
No one is giving us a top pick for Barkley. We might as well keep him.
Coming off injury is irrelevant because he is playing at a high level. Many, many players get injured and return to play.
Barkley is not just some RB. He is a finish piece for a team like the Bills. We are talking about a top 5, closer to top 3, RB in the NFL.
We cannot assess what Buffalo or KC or Baltimore feels like they need to make a serious SB run. You may be correct and he doesn't help any of these teams. And maybe he would not return a 2nd or 3rd pick. But he would still need to resign with the Giants or else even passing on a 5th was a waste of an asset. Look at what not taking a 3rd for Bradberry ended up costing the Giants(yes Bradberry had a contract).
If RBs are so replaceable, as some suggest, then you get what you can for Barkley and draft a RB next year at a fraction of what it will cost to re-sign Barkley.
I would love to keep him, but what will it cost to re-sign him.
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Why is Jones gone? He has perhaps the worst group of WR's ever assembled on an NFL team and at best an average oline, tell me again why he is gone?
Kenny Golladay has a horrible offensive line, no secondary receivers and a QB the team declined a fifth year option on. Tell me again why he needs to go?
Oh yeah...because you can evaluate a player without having a perfect structure around him.
Did Kenny Golladay catch or botch those 2 passes that came at critical moments in a very winnable game? Is he beating out the other WR's in practice? Is he acting like a leader? 49% catch rate in 2021, 40% so far through 3 games. Not really sure what else there is to say.
A second?
A third?
A third and a 5th?
A second and a 4th?
The Giants can tag him for two more years. I’m not just giving him away.
The fact is their RB situation is not good but they can get away with that because they have a star QB, a star WR, and very good secondary receivers/TEs
The RB by committee is the smarter design. And if Buffalo can add a Barkley to seal the deal for the stretch run in 2022 it is all the better.
Maybe we should trade our RB and see if we can use the pick to find a star WR, or a very good secondary receiver/TEs.
And nobody is telling you anything. You didn't listen the first time around on here...
His Cap hit is $7.2mil this year. Amounts to a $5mil raise without long term lock. This is almost 100% what they will do.
Carl Banks was on earlier and suggested that Barkley may be in the Giants long term plans and that running backs do not make as much money as other skill positions.
The Giants can tag him for two more years. I’m not just giving him away.
Getting a 1st round pick for Barkley makes Schoen GM of the Year.
Passing on a 2nd round pick would be a fairly big error by a rookie GM...
On the other, without him you may have a year like last year and I do not think ownership or fans can stomach that. Plus from a business standpoint he’s the face of the franchise and basically the only jersey you see in stores (a few Jones and Thibs, but not a lot of Sills jerseys selling).
More importantly, how does he fit into what Shoen wants to build and culture? He’s the best skill player we have or have had since OBJ, does getting rid of him send a bad message?
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No way I’m moving him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Not trading him for pennies on the dollar. He’s too good. I get he was a polarizing pick, but he can win a game by himself (Tennessee).
The Giants can tag him for two more years. I’m not just giving him away.
Getting a 1st round pick for Barkley makes Schoen GM of the Year.
Passing on a 2nd round pick would be a fairly big error by a rookie GM...
Agree and a 3rd for someone you are not considering re-signing is good too.
Looked at Kamara, Cook and Elliot contracts - between $14 and $18 mill per is what I see. That is probably what Barkley is looking at.. 3-5 years at AAV $15 mill.
I cannot see Schoen going for that.
It’s funny how much less appealing draft picks are after the player is selected. I’m not trading Saquon for Matt Peart. I’ll apply the tag.
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More importantly, what is an RB worth coming off an injury and with only 13 games left in a contract? The Rams didn't trade for an RB though, and positions matter. The RB position is devalued because you can get relatively same production from non-premium picks.
No one is giving us a top pick for Barkley. We might as well keep him.
Coming off injury is irrelevant because he is playing at a high level. Many, many players get injured and return to play.
Barkley is not just some RB. He is a finish piece for a team like the Bills. We are talking about a top 5, closer to top 3, RB in the NFL.
We cannot assess what Buffalo or KC or Baltimore feels like they need to make a serious SB run. You may be correct and he doesn't help any of these teams. And maybe he would not return a 2nd or 3rd pick. But he would still need to resign with the Giants or else even passing on a 5th was a waste of an asset. Look at what not taking a 3rd for Bradberry ended up costing the Giants(yes Bradberry had a contract).
If RBs are so replaceable, as some suggest, then you get what you can for Barkley and draft a RB next year at a fraction of what it will cost to re-sign Barkley.
I would love to keep him, but what will it cost to re-sign him.
Dude, we get a 3rd if someone signs him in free agency.
Wake up.
It’s funny how much less appealing draft picks are after the player is selected. I’m not trading Saquon for Matt Peart. I’ll apply the tag.
He makes over $7M now. Tag him and he'll cost over $12M.
Trade him for a 2nd and we can draft another potential core player and use the $12M on several moderately priced free agents to shore up WR and TE....