I always look forward to Sy's game reviews, they're inciteful and interesting. However, I do have one criticism on Mondays review. First, full disclosure I am A DJ supporter. I don't understand how DJ was not named a stud in Sy'S review. With the constant pressure he faced all night he hung in, made excellent passes, ran for first downs and fought through out the game. I think he was the main reason the score was even close. IMO Sy is not a DJ fan and I understand that, I also understand there are many on this board who feel the same way and that's ok. That's what this board is all about, different opinions. However, I can't see any fair minded fan not giving him credit for the gutsy performance. IMO DJ not being named a stud is inexcusable.
as mentioned there is only 3 studs, and they were all legit.
Life is too short.
And calling it a "snub" is quite a stretch. I'm pretty sure Daniel is not sitting in his car sobbing over it.
Here is a portion of what he said:
“If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January. Jones made a few tough throws, he had receivers drop multiple balls, and the DAL secondary was on point. Jones’ scrambling was 90% of the Giants offensive success. His accuracy was there, the juice on the ball was there, and his decision-making was there. Unfortunately, he is throwing to JV receivers behind a freshman-team offensive line.”
there could be a little confirmation bias at work. That said, I tend to doubt it. Sy calls it like he sees it. He also said at the beginning of the year that when it comes to Jones this year, it's best to just let it play out.
I personally don't get all the vitriol for Jones. He works hard, plays hard, and has really little to work with. Yet he's vilified by many fans who apparently feel as though they just have to be right that Jones is not the guy instead of rooting for a guy that's doing all he can to try to turn this thing around.
This is the same fan base that talked about a super bowl winning GM as if he was a plague unleashed on the Giants and humanity really.
This loss to a team playing with a backup QB, without their pro bowl LT, their #2 WR etc. Is talked about like some kind of heroic effort.
The man had zero TDs and had under 200 yards passing and 54.1% completion rate. Shockingly it's possible, and I've seen it with my own eyes, QBs with terrible supporting casts putting up actual good numbers and winning against better teams! Teams that aren't starting backup QBs.
Jesus with this. Even his harshest critics agree it was a good game but why on earth this need to force others to heap praise on him?
you sure know how to spot 'em, huh?
Which is funny because someone here started a thread saying he played on rollerskates the whole game and was overrated, with a bunch of agreeing posts.
I was like, did I watch the same game?
Yes, having 6 passes dropped had nothing to do with the outcome...
He controls his own fate. What pro athlete doesn't want that opportunity?
I'd expect better from you.
The Delay of Game did really bother me, though.
But anyway - the Stud-Dud list is always subjective. I think the write ups are more important than that. And in the write up, I was very complementary of him. I put this in the "good pile" when it comes to looking back on his 2022 season and where NYG should move forward regarding his contract situation.
I am nor a supporter of hater of Jones. I will say this, however. I want him to be the guy for NYG. I don't want to start over. But he needs to prove he is worth the contract he will likely demand to be a second-contract starting QB in this league.
Thank you for taking my words and thoughts and making them yours. I’m flattered, not upset.
This is the same fan base that talked about a super bowl winning GM as if he was a plague unleashed on the Giants and humanity really.
This loss to a team playing with a backup QB, without their pro bowl LT, their #2 WR etc. Is talked about like some kind of heroic effort.
The man had zero TDs and had under 200 yards passing and 54.1% completion rate. Shockingly it's possible, and I've seen it with my own eyes, QBs with terrible supporting casts putting up actual good numbers and winning against better teams! Teams that aren't starting backup QBs.
Jesus with this. Even his harshest critics agree it was a good game but why on earth this need to force others to heap praise on him?
So was Jones facing Dallas's backup QB, backup LT, and #3 WR (instead of #2)? And which of our receivers compare with Cee Dee Lamb?
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and yet the Giants scored only 16 points and lost a winnable game. Not a stud.
I'd expect better from you.
I've posted throughout the week on Jones, not seen anyone debunk it yet.
The Delay of Game did really bother me, though.
But anyway - the Stud-Dud list is always subjective. I think the write ups are more important than that. And in the write up, I was very complementary of him. I put this in the "good pile" when it comes to looking back on his 2022 season and where NYG should move forward regarding his contract situation.
I am nor a supporter of hater of Jones. I will say this, however. I want him to be the guy for NYG. I don't want to start over. But he needs to prove he is worth the contract he will likely demand to be a second-contract starting QB in this league.
Take off the blindfolds at look at our receivers and o line.
Is Jones the solution? Who knows.
But I do know the o line and receivers are the problem.
Can we fix them before we attempt to fix the QB position.
Was he talking about Jones or this Mr. kickoff?
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and yet the Giants scored only 16 points and lost a winnable game. Not a stud.
Yes, having 6 passes dropped had nothing to do with the outcome...
Jones didn't get enough help, for sure, a heroic performance, for sure. But he still plays like a very average or below QB.
He controls his own fate. What pro athlete doesn't want that opportunity?
What are the 7 other wins?
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and yet the Giants scored only 16 points and lost a winnable game. Not a stud.
Yes, having 6 passes dropped had nothing to do with the outcome...
No one seems to use drops when they're trying to compare DJ favorably to Joe Burrow. And yet somehow Ja'Marr Chase leads the NFL in drops so far this season and the Bengals have the same amount of drops, as a team, as the Giants do.
Take off the blindfolds at look at our receivers and o line.
Is Jones the solution? Who knows.
But I do know the o line and receivers are the problem.
Can we fix them before we attempt to fix the QB position.
In the past decade of horrid Giants football, I doubt they ever had such a horrid situation as they do now at wide receiver. It is scarily bad. A first class disaster!
Take off the blindfolds at look at our receivers and o line.
Is Jones the solution? Who knows.
But I do know the o line and receivers are the problem.
Can we fix them before we attempt to fix the QB position.
In the past decade of horrid Giants football, I doubt they ever had such a horrid situation as they do now at wide receiver. It is scarily bad. A first class disaster!
Who did Jones outplay from that list?
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QB is not clear in some of your own minds. That is the biggest roadblock many of you have when it comes to evaluating Jones and where he is and where he can be.
If it were my money, "good enough" won't work in today's NFL if your are chasing year after year Super Bowl contention.
I wonder if Schoen is going to take these snubs into account and put a little extra $ into that Franchise Tag contract he's drafting up...
Take off the blindfolds at look at our receivers and o line.
Is Jones the solution? Who knows.
But I do know the o line and receivers are the problem.
Can we fix them before we attempt to fix the QB position.
It's really amazing how dense the DJFC continues to be.
No one thinks that changing the QB magically transforms the Giants into contenders. Rather, the point is that continuing with DJ has a limiting effect that precludes the Giants from being contenders, and combined with his soon-to-increase cap cost (likely to be a significant increase even with a below-market contract), it's better to hit the reset button at QB than it is to voluntarily evacuate the rookie-contract-QB stage of the rebuild because of how many other positions on offense still require work, and because the current QB remains unproven after 3+ seasons.
I've asked this question before, but I don't think anyone bothered to answer: at your own jobs, when you have an employee on a PIP and he reaches the end with an unfavorable outcome, do you just keep him on the payroll because you haven't hired his replacement yet?
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...there was just one pressure by the group that included a lineman actually beating a blocker. That was by Dexter Lawrence, who also added 5 tackles and was a force inside.
Which is funny because someone here started a thread saying he played on rollerskates the whole game and was overrated, with a bunch of agreeing posts.
I was like, did I watch the same game?
Which, to some posters, you are allowed to criticize any player on the team EXCEPT for the QB. Then you're a hater.
Eli still threw for like 200-300 yards, would have like a 90 rating.
Who was he playing with ? Cody Lattimer, Rhett Ellison, Sterling Shep, Evan Engram. A head case, selfish immature OBJ? who was injured a lot also.
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and yet the Giants scored only 16 points and lost a winnable game. Not a stud.
Yes, having 6 passes dropped had nothing to do with the outcome...
Were there 6 drops? I know that drops can be a subjective topic, but NBC Sports has the Giants with 4 drops all year.
That said, he also had a clear pick-6 go through Diggs's hands because he threw late to an open Shep. How does his game look if Diggs makes that play?
Exactly. Jones exudes mediocrity. He was mediocre in college, and he's been mediocre at best as a pro.
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we have the biblical recreation of Daniel in the Lion's Den.
(I couldn't resist.)