Buster had a great perspective on what Judge is accomplishing this year...
He likened what Judge is doing without Steroids to what the early mountaineers who climbed to the top of Mt Everest without the aid of oxygen...
Perfect analogy
no questions asked. Big Judge and Yankees fan, but there's a decent shot Judge takes or took something.
I don't get this take. Have you seen Aaron Judge? Aaron Judge is a big guy with great power playing baseball. He dwarfs some of the other guys in the Yankees dugout.
We're not talking about Luis Sojo hitting 61 homer runs. 6'7, 282 pound Aaron Judge has incredible power? Shocked, I tell you!
But it’s not “he never took PEDs”, it’s “he’s never been found guilty of taking PEDs”.
Much like Frank Thomas, Judge does look like a man gifted with a superhuman frame and natural strength. But you never know.
It sucks but if you play this game, you have to clarify this point imo.
This is the shit that pisses me off. WTF are you talking about? You have no proof or any reason to believe that he is a 'roid boy - none. Your premise is mystifying - "Judge does look like a man gifted with a superhuman frame and natural strength" . Yet you imply he is a user or had been.
He has a huge frame. At 6'7" and 282 lbs he looks trim and not muscled up like Giambi or McGwire. He said he benches over 400 lbs. He is calm and easy going. He runs extremely well for a big man - dare I say better than an NFL tight end, who would be smaller than him. So now if you hit a lot of HRs it is immediately presumed you are a user?
I just do not get this line of reasoning. Guilty until proven innocent.
RE: RE: yeah, don't understand how someone can just think he's clean
no questions asked. Big Judge and Yankees fan, but there's a decent shot Judge takes or took something.
I don't get this take. Have you seen Aaron Judge? Aaron Judge is a big guy with great power playing baseball. He dwarfs some of the other guys in the Yankees dugout.
We're not talking about Luis Sojo hitting 61 homer runs. 6'7, 282 pound Aaron Judge has incredible power? Shocked, I tell you!
PED's arent only for strength.
These writers are still butthurt over the 90s/00s HR chase
73 is the NL/MLB record unless MLB expunges it; 61 is the AL record. That's it. Every generation has asterisks. Look at the competition Babe Ruth played against. And I am a Yankee fan.
I'm not accusing him of anything, just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something. IMO its more strange to think a top tier athlete has no chance of being on something.
I'm not accusing him of anything, just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something. IMO its more strange to think a top tier athlete has no chance of being on something.
Yes you are accusing and your answer is proof.
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
"Aaron Judge is 100% on PED's" - that's an accusation.
"I do not think there is a 0% chance he's taken or taking something" is absolutely not an accusation. Get a grip man. This is how I approach MLB players in general, there's a solid chance they are cheating and history is on my side with that assumption.
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
Uhh, what? You seriously don't see a difference between refusing to rule out the possibility of something and assuming that thing happened? Hard to anyone would equate what you quoted with assuming Judge took steroids. I'm almost impressed. I don't think there's a 0% chance the Yankees will win the world series. Feel free to come back if they lose and call me out for my faulty assumption that they'd win.
RE: I love Judge and he is probably my favorite athlete now
but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
plenty of people still climb Everest without oxygen, but obviously the equipment is 1 million times better than in Hillary's age. I mean I don't know, what Babe Ruth did was pretty darn good, what Roger Maris did was the same, and so was Aaron Judge. The levels people can go to slice the onion could be never ending. I know people complain about Yankees Stadium, I guess people could go and see how many "Yankee Stadium" HRs Judge got compared to Maris and Ruth. But, my question is why? It's just a great thing and it was fun to watch. I saw about 4 or 5 of his Home Runs live and it was a blast (one while I was online for dipping dots for my kids at Camden Yards this summer). Just a fun summer for a great player and seemingly great guy.
"Aaron Judge is 100% on PED's" - that's an accusation.
"I do not think there is a 0% chance he's taken or taking something" is absolutely not an accusation. Get a grip man. This is how I approach MLB players in general, there's a solid chance they are cheating and history is on my side with that assumption.
If you said there is 0% chance that Hurricane Ian misses Florida, then you are saying there is a 100% chance it will hit Florida.
If you say there is 0% chance he took nothing, then you are saying there is 100% chance he did.
But, you are 100% right, I am dwelling on this too much.
RE: RE: I love Judge and he is probably my favorite athlete now
but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
So, who is to say he hasn't used his entire career? The point I am making is that even though it is unfair to Judge, the rampant PEDs make anyone suspect is really baseball's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. I don't assume he did. If you made me choose, I would think he did not use it, but I do not think I can ever vouch for a baseball player again. Tatis got busted this year!
If you say there is 0% chance he took nothing, then you are saying there is 100% chance he did.
That is a locigally accurate statement. It is also an irrelevant statement, as no one said there is a 0% change he's taken no PED's. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this.
but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
So, who is to say he hasn't used his entire career? The point I am making is that even though it is unfair to Judge, the rampant PEDs make anyone suspect is really baseball's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. I don't assume he did. If you made me choose, I would think he did not use it, but I do not think I can ever vouch for a baseball player again. Tatis got busted this year!
If anything Tatis getting busted should tell you that the league is testing and will crack down. Here's a kid who the MLB has been pushing as one of a few future faces of baseball who they not only tested but then suspended. So you better believe they've been testing Judge plenty this season.
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
Uhh, what? You seriously don't see a difference between refusing to rule out the possibility of something and assuming that thing happened? Hard to anyone would equate what you quoted with assuming Judge took steroids. I'm almost impressed. I don't think there's a 0% chance the Yankees will win the world series. Feel free to come back if they lose and call me out for my faulty assumption that they'd win.
Pretty much my view.
section125... I'm not saying Judge definitely did this or didn't. I'm just saying it's possible and there are "clean" guys still on these lists who are only "clean" because they weren't caught.
When Pujols passed A-Rod and hit 700, there was a really positive reaction for him around the internet. Besides the fact that A-Rod is hateable, people were saying Pujols hit a "clean 700" and that "A-Roid was a cheater".
Now whereas with Judge doesn't strike me as an obvious PEDs guy, I've always kind of thought Pujols was a very likely PEDs user who was never caught.
But I can't asterisk Pujols when he was never caught. He's technically as clean as possible based on what we know. But at the same time, I kind of have a strong feeling he did cheat. But again, I'm just pulling that out of my ass because I don't know one way or another. Just like we don't know with Judge.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I love Judge and he is probably my favorite athlete now
but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
So, who is to say he hasn't used his entire career? The point I am making is that even though it is unfair to Judge, the rampant PEDs make anyone suspect is really baseball's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. I don't assume he did. If you made me choose, I would think he did not use it, but I do not think I can ever vouch for a baseball player again. Tatis got busted this year!
If anything Tatis getting busted should tell you that the league is testing and will crack down. Here's a kid who the MLB has been pushing as one of a few future faces of baseball who they not only tested but then suspended. So you better believe they've been testing Judge plenty this season.
If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
but if you are looking for tea leaves, Aaron Judge has been very careful not to crap on the PED guys. He has gone out of his way to praise Barry Bonds. That is not like when Ortiz said if you test me who knows what would happen because of what I eat in the Dominican Republic (which was a dead giveaway he was on it or that he played in the Homer Dome and hit no homers), but I did notice that Judge had that position (most likely because he did grow up a Giants fan but still).
1) There is only 1 player of he last 25 years that would absolutely shock me to find out they used. That is Mariano Rivera.
2) I believe Judge is clean, but there is just as much proof of that as there is that he isn't...nothing. I find it odd somebody could definitively say he is clean and blast someone for saying he might not be. There is no evidence of either. Just enjoy the ride.
3) Judge isn't being tested any more or less than normal. Why? MLBPA.
4)I don't know why anyone would just assume Pujols is clean. That conjecture is more about taking a dig at A-rod than anything else.
5) Ruth wasn't "clean". He took some crazy shit for the times. Mantle, May's, Aaron and tons of greats from that era were on greenies and other stuff. No clue about Maris. I don't think I've ever read speculation about him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I love Judge and he is probably my favorite athlete now
If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
Are you aware of when the MLB even started testing let alone outlawed HGH?
I am quite aware that MLB started testing in 2003.
HGH testing didn't begin until almost a decade later than that in 2012...
they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
The point is there's no evidence that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Everybody knew HGH was also be a problem at the time, it wasn't some secret. You act as if there's some unknown PED compounds that won't result in positive tests and your evidence for that is because some guys got away with it when the MLB knowingly didn't test.
73 is the record and we can speculate about every player that has played the game in one way or another.
Judge is a heck of a ball player having a phenomenal year.
Olney and the talking heads want controversy and clicks.
no questions asked. Big Judge and Yankees fan, but there's a decent shot Judge takes or took something.
Bullshit. Don't throw our trash when you have no idea. This isn't Big Papi who took it as we know along with others. He is 6'7" 282 lbs. and just a huge man
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I love Judge and he is probably my favorite athlete now
they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
The point is there's no evidence that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Everybody knew HGH was also be a problem at the time, it wasn't some secret. You act as if there's some unknown PED compounds that won't result in positive tests and your evidence for that is because some guys got away with it when the MLB knowingly didn't test.
No, the original testing program wasn't ablto detect HGH and MLBPA wouldn't allow blood testing
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I love Judge and he is probably my favorite athlete now
they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
The point is there's no evidence that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Everybody knew HGH was also be a problem at the time, it wasn't some secret. You act as if there's some unknown PED compounds that won't result in positive tests and your evidence for that is because some guys got away with it when the MLB knowingly didn't test.
No, the original testing program wasn't ablto detect HGH and MLBPA wouldn't allow blood testing
He passes every test,including the eye test...so lets stop the madness now please.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
RE: RE: yeah, don't understand how someone can just think he's clean
no questions asked. Big Judge and Yankees fan, but there's a decent shot Judge takes or took something.
Bullshit. Don't throw our trash when you have no idea. This isn't Big Papi who took it as we know along with others. He is 6'7" 282 lbs. and just a huge man
Again, PEDS aren’t just for strength. Why such hostility over such a known issue in the sport?
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Caught the way they test these guys now.
Don’t be assholes because you’re not a Yankee fan.
I'm a huge Yankees fan and Judge is probably my favorite player in the league. With all due respect, this is wrong. Most of the guys who are on PEDs beat testing.
He passes every test,including the eye test...so lets stop the madness now please.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
He passes every test,including the eye test...so lets stop the madness now please.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
73 is the record and we can speculate about every player that has played the game in one way or another.
Judge is a heck of a ball player having a phenomenal year.
Olney and the talking heads want controversy and clicks.
It really isn't imo. It's an amazing season regardless.
He passes every test,including the eye test...so lets stop the madness now please.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
Unless you are talking solely about the AL, then Maris doesn't have the single season record.
He passes every test,including the eye test...so lets stop the madness now please.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
Much like Frank Thomas, Judge does look like a man gifted with a superhuman frame and natural strength. But you never know.
It sucks but if you play this game, you have to clarify this point imo.
I don't get this take. Have you seen Aaron Judge? Aaron Judge is a big guy with great power playing baseball. He dwarfs some of the other guys in the Yankees dugout.
We're not talking about Luis Sojo hitting 61 homer runs. 6'7, 282 pound Aaron Judge has incredible power? Shocked, I tell you!
Much like Frank Thomas, Judge does look like a man gifted with a superhuman frame and natural strength. But you never know.
It sucks but if you play this game, you have to clarify this point imo.
This is the shit that pisses me off. WTF are you talking about? You have no proof or any reason to believe that he is a 'roid boy - none. Your premise is mystifying - "Judge does look like a man gifted with a superhuman frame and natural strength" . Yet you imply he is a user or had been.
He has a huge frame. At 6'7" and 282 lbs he looks trim and not muscled up like Giambi or McGwire. He said he benches over 400 lbs. He is calm and easy going. He runs extremely well for a big man - dare I say better than an NFL tight end, who would be smaller than him. So now if you hit a lot of HRs it is immediately presumed you are a user?
I just do not get this line of reasoning. Guilty until proven innocent.
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no questions asked. Big Judge and Yankees fan, but there's a decent shot Judge takes or took something.
I don't get this take. Have you seen Aaron Judge? Aaron Judge is a big guy with great power playing baseball. He dwarfs some of the other guys in the Yankees dugout.
We're not talking about Luis Sojo hitting 61 homer runs. 6'7, 282 pound Aaron Judge has incredible power? Shocked, I tell you!
PED's arent only for strength.
So, you like accusing people without any reason?
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So, you like accusing people without any reason?
I'm not accusing him of anything, just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something. IMO its more strange to think a top tier athlete has no chance of being on something.
How one can assume he could be taking steroids!?!
What is this assumption based upon?
Because he is big?
Because he has hit 61 HRs?
Because he is… what?
I don’t get it.
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So, you like accusing people without any reason?
I'm not accusing him of anything, just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something. IMO its more strange to think a top tier athlete has no chance of being on something.
Yes you are accusing and your answer is proof.
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
That is an accusation.
How one can assume he could be taking steroids!?!
No one in this thread assumed, or suggested it's reasonable to assume, he's taking steroids.
"I do not think there is a 0% chance he's taken or taking something" is absolutely not an accusation. Get a grip man. This is how I approach MLB players in general, there's a solid chance they are cheating and history is on my side with that assumption.
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How one can assume he could be taking steroids!?!
No one in this thread assumed, or suggested it's reasonable to assume, he's taking steroids.
Ok - what is this-
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
Uhh, what? You seriously don't see a difference between refusing to rule out the possibility of something and assuming that thing happened? Hard to anyone would equate what you quoted with assuming Judge took steroids. I'm almost impressed. I don't think there's a 0% chance the Yankees will win the world series. Feel free to come back if they lose and call me out for my faulty assumption that they'd win.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
How one can assume he could be taking steroids!?!
What is this assumption based upon?
The Yankees clubhouse has been a jab ass factory for how many decades now? :)
"I do not think there is a 0% chance he's taken or taking something" is absolutely not an accusation. Get a grip man. This is how I approach MLB players in general, there's a solid chance they are cheating and history is on my side with that assumption.
If you said there is 0% chance that Hurricane Ian misses Florida, then you are saying there is a 100% chance it will hit Florida.
If you say there is 0% chance he took nothing, then you are saying there is 100% chance he did.
But, you are 100% right, I am dwelling on this too much.
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but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
So, who is to say he hasn't used his entire career? The point I am making is that even though it is unfair to Judge, the rampant PEDs make anyone suspect is really baseball's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. I don't assume he did. If you made me choose, I would think he did not use it, but I do not think I can ever vouch for a baseball player again. Tatis got busted this year!
That is a locigally accurate statement. It is also an irrelevant statement, as no one said there is a 0% change he's taken no PED's. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this.
I think that's the point being made here.
It's why I'll never rip any player for using or being caught.
I think that's a perfectly fair point of view.
To commend a guy for doing it clean without being able to prove it is a little silly.
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but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
So, who is to say he hasn't used his entire career? The point I am making is that even though it is unfair to Judge, the rampant PEDs make anyone suspect is really baseball's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. I don't assume he did. If you made me choose, I would think he did not use it, but I do not think I can ever vouch for a baseball player again. Tatis got busted this year!
If anything Tatis getting busted should tell you that the league is testing and will crack down. Here's a kid who the MLB has been pushing as one of a few future faces of baseball who they not only tested but then suspended. So you better believe they've been testing Judge plenty this season.
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Ok - what is this-
"just don't think there's a 0% chance he's taken or takes something"
Uhh, what? You seriously don't see a difference between refusing to rule out the possibility of something and assuming that thing happened? Hard to anyone would equate what you quoted with assuming Judge took steroids. I'm almost impressed. I don't think there's a 0% chance the Yankees will win the world series. Feel free to come back if they lose and call me out for my faulty assumption that they'd win.
Pretty much my view.
section125... I'm not saying Judge definitely did this or didn't. I'm just saying it's possible and there are "clean" guys still on these lists who are only "clean" because they weren't caught.
When Pujols passed A-Rod and hit 700, there was a really positive reaction for him around the internet. Besides the fact that A-Rod is hateable, people were saying Pujols hit a "clean 700" and that "A-Roid was a cheater".
Now whereas with Judge doesn't strike me as an obvious PEDs guy, I've always kind of thought Pujols was a very likely PEDs user who was never caught.
But I can't asterisk Pujols when he was never caught. He's technically as clean as possible based on what we know. But at the same time, I kind of have a strong feeling he did cheat. But again, I'm just pulling that out of my ass because I don't know one way or another. Just like we don't know with Judge.
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but how anyone can assume anyone does not use steroids after what we have seen is completely bonkers. Now, I don't think its fair to assume that anyone is doing Steroids, but the analogies to MT. Everest is a little much.
Because there's nothing in the data that suggests he's hitting the ball much harder this year than he has throughout his career...
So, who is to say he hasn't used his entire career? The point I am making is that even though it is unfair to Judge, the rampant PEDs make anyone suspect is really baseball's fault for allowing it to happen in the first place. I don't assume he did. If you made me choose, I would think he did not use it, but I do not think I can ever vouch for a baseball player again. Tatis got busted this year!
If anything Tatis getting busted should tell you that the league is testing and will crack down. Here's a kid who the MLB has been pushing as one of a few future faces of baseball who they not only tested but then suspended. So you better believe they've been testing Judge plenty this season.
If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
2) I believe Judge is clean, but there is just as much proof of that as there is that he isn't...nothing. I find it odd somebody could definitively say he is clean and blast someone for saying he might not be. There is no evidence of either. Just enjoy the ride.
3) Judge isn't being tested any more or less than normal. Why? MLBPA.
4)I don't know why anyone would just assume Pujols is clean. That conjecture is more about taking a dig at A-rod than anything else.
5) Ruth wasn't "clean". He took some crazy shit for the times. Mantle, May's, Aaron and tons of greats from that era were on greenies and other stuff. No clue about Maris. I don't think I've ever read speculation about him.
If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
Are you aware of when the MLB even started testing let alone outlawed HGH?
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If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
Are you aware of when the MLB even started testing let alone outlawed HGH?
I am quite aware that MLB started testing in 2003.
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If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
Are you aware of when the MLB even started testing let alone outlawed HGH?
I am quite aware that MLB started testing in 2003.
HGH testing didn't begin until almost a decade later than that in 2012...
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If the PED era has shown anything, the cheaters are always one step ahead of the testers.
Are you aware of when the MLB even started testing let alone outlawed HGH?
I am quite aware that MLB started testing in 2003.
HGH testing didn't begin until almost a decade later than that in 2012...
they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
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they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
The point is there's no evidence that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Everybody knew HGH was also be a problem at the time, it wasn't some secret. You act as if there's some unknown PED compounds that won't result in positive tests and your evidence for that is because some guys got away with it when the MLB knowingly didn't test.
Judge is a heck of a ball player having a phenomenal year.
Olney and the talking heads want controversy and clicks.
Yeah Andy Petite and Guillermo Mota basically looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Bullshit. Don't throw our trash when you have no idea. This isn't Big Papi who took it as we know along with others. He is 6'7" 282 lbs. and just a huge man
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they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
The point is there's no evidence that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Everybody knew HGH was also be a problem at the time, it wasn't some secret. You act as if there's some unknown PED compounds that won't result in positive tests and your evidence for that is because some guys got away with it when the MLB knowingly didn't test.
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they started testing for PEDs in 2003. I am not even sure your point. They have been testing for a decade and my point is that the cheaters mainly stay ahead of the testers. When they started testing is irrelevant for that and, if anything, it proves my point that they were testing from 2003 but did not start with HGH until 2012.
The point is there's no evidence that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Everybody knew HGH was also be a problem at the time, it wasn't some secret. You act as if there's some unknown PED compounds that won't result in positive tests and your evidence for that is because some guys got away with it when the MLB knowingly didn't test.
No, the original testing program wasn't ablto detect HGH and MLBPA wouldn't allow blood testing
No to what?
Don’t be assholes because you’re not a Yankee fan.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
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no questions asked. Big Judge and Yankees fan, but there's a decent shot Judge takes or took something.
Bullshit. Don't throw our trash when you have no idea. This isn't Big Papi who took it as we know along with others. He is 6'7" 282 lbs. and just a huge man
Again, PEDS aren’t just for strength. Why such hostility over such a known issue in the sport?
Don’t be assholes because you’re not a Yankee fan.
I'm a huge Yankees fan and Judge is probably my favorite player in the league. With all due respect, this is wrong. Most of the guys who are on PEDs beat testing.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
Would an asterisk actually quench your thirst?
Imagine if Piazza played for the Yankees? Dude would've got gamma radiation.
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He passes every test,including the eye test...so lets stop the madness now please.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
Would an asterisk actually quench your thirst?
Respectfully...yes it would
Judge is a heck of a ball player having a phenomenal year.
Olney and the talking heads want controversy and clicks.
It really isn't imo. It's an amazing season regardless.
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
61 is a magical # in baseball-and I believe if he breaks Maris single season record that the baseball writers owe it to him and to us the fan to demand an asterisk for the "Steroid Era" HR #s
Sorry what is the eye test?
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To say, "I'm Clean!"
Imagine if Piazza played for the Yankees? Dude would've got gamma radiation.
Probably wins a championship though.