So name me the free agent quarterbacks you would be willing

any 1st, 2nd or 3rd round rookie with an unestablished ceiling. The problem with Jones is we are 95% certain we know what we have. The Giants are in the part of the cycle where they can afford to take high upside risks.

We need to draft the right one. I’m not anti DJ but I can’t see a scenario where he can justify a second contract while playing with these scrubs and you can’t give a qb a $30-40mm second contract on a hope

In this draft.
Young, Stroud, Lewis and maybe
Richardson, Hooker, Penix,etc.
This class is loaded at the top and a bunch of maybes
If we can get in line to draft one we are in really good shape but anyone we draft will struggle because of the supporting cast.

In comment 15838087 Producer said:

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any 1st, 2nd or 3rd round rookie with an unestablished ceiling. The problem with Jones is we are 95% certain we know what we have. The Giants are in the part of the cycle where they can afford to take high upside risks.

So, you would be willing to wait another 3 - 5 years to see if the new qb is the answer? Come on man, get Jones some olinemen who can give him more then 1.9 seconds to throw the ball, and some WR's who can get open and catch.

In comment 15838090 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:

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We need to draft the right one. I’m not anti DJ but I can’t see a scenario where he can justify a second contract while playing with these scrubs and you can’t give a qb a $30-40mm second contract on a hope

So you don’t believe Schoen and Daboll are capable of sitting through the rabble and numbers and determine if Jones is worth further investment?

I disagree. Whether they bring him back or not will not be determined by any ineptitude surrounding him, it will be his ability to perform above what that lack of support dictates. He did that Monday

In comment 15838092 larryflower37 said:

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In this draft. Young, Stroud, Lewis and maybe Richardson, Hooker, Penix,etc. This class is loaded at the top and a bunch of maybes If we can get in line to draft one we are in really good shape but anyone we draft will struggle because of the supporting cast.

People have no idea if a qb is franchise qb, none of the college qb's have ever thrown a pass in the NFL so it would be a little premature to anoint them as franchise qb!

he is looking at things realistically not with pre/ determined prejudice by sonme one who thinks he knows better than our current GM and HC ( Producer).
I asked on another thread: considering Daboll has said he likes bigger QBs (like Jones), who is coming out that fits that description? I’ll wait on the answer Inlooked don’t see any.

Love the way to OP implies we could just sign Brady, but we shouldn't because he's over the hill. AND that therefore, we should bring back Jones. Solid work, brother.

a sure fire franchise QB. It does not happen. It will never happen. If that is your threshold, we will have Daniel Jones as our QB forever.

By the way, Daniel Jones is a sure fire backup QB

Any new QB, whose name they recognize, must be better than Jones. The grass is always greener on the other side. Remember that the grass is also greener over the septic tank.

I’m not losing any sleep on trying to determine who will be our future QB. I trust Schoen and Daboll will make the best decision based upon their review of Jones, where we will stand in the draft and who is or isn’t available in free agency.

How many true keeper franchise QBs are there in the league? Maybe 6... That's it.

Look at the 1st round QB draft picks over the last three years. The chances we will find the next top QB in the draft next year are slim. Remember when Giants fans wanted to "Tank for Trevor"?

You guys can keep waiting for Jesus to show up. I want to put a solid offense around the QB so whoever the guy is does not have to pull a rabbit out of his ass every week.

If Baltimore can't work things out with Lamar, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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If Baltimore can't work things out with Lamar, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

I would too... Why would he want to play for the giants? We are not a championship quality team even with Jackson

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In comment 15838188 arcarsenal said: Quote: If Baltimore can't work things out with Lamar, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I would too... Why would he want to play for the giants? We are not a championship quality team even with Jackson

Why? Lots of dollars.

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In comment 15838188 arcarsenal said: Quote: If Baltimore can't work things out with Lamar, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I would too... Why would he want to play for the giants? We are not a championship quality team even with Jackson

Why wouldn’t we be? He’s a big time multiplier, and we’d still have picks and cap over several off seasons to improve.

Do all free agents just go to championship teams and I just happen to miss it every time?

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with like 6 mil in playing incentives. They pretty much made their mind up about Jones I would think.

As far as the draft is concerned you know what Elvis said about sure things right? lol.

a new whiny DJFC thread from kelly every fucking day?

As others have said, the Giants have already signed a free-agent QB as their presumptive 2023 starter. His name is Tyrod Taylor. The only person who can alter that roadmap is Daniel Jones. Jones has three months to convince Schoen and Daboll to change the plan, and he seems unlikely to do so. It's possible, just unlikely. The point is, the primary competition Jones faces isn't the 2023 free agent QB field. He's mostly up against Tyrod Taylor plus a rookie, and the team has already paid Taylor.

The situation isn't Jones's fault; it's mostly Dave Gettleman's. That doesn't matter.

Lamar Jackson is it as far as free agents.

The anti-Jonesers better be hoping for a lot of losses and improved draft position starting now. Jackson is not shaking free.

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Lamar Jackson is it as far as free agents. The anti-Jonesers better be hoping for a lot of losses and improved draft position starting now. Jackson is not shaking free.

The draft position isn't THAT important. We're trying to replace Daniel Jones here, not Johnny Unitas.

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In comment 15838804 Ron Johnson said: Quote: Lamar Jackson is it as far as free agents. The anti-Jonesers better be hoping for a lot of losses and improved draft position starting now. Jackson is not shaking free. The draft position isn't THAT important. We're trying to replace Daniel Jones here, not Johnny Unitas.

So Josh Rosen it is ........

and won't get a second contract from the Giants. I can reasonably understand the logic, based on his showing to date. That said, if we are to believe that the Giants are unwilling to sign him, who is? Do we assume someone else is going to give him a long term contract? I doubt it, if the prevailing wisdom here is true.

So all that being presumed to be true, let's say the Giants are not in position draft capital wise to select a successor in the next draft. Would it be unreasonable to bring him back on a team friendly, incentive laden deal? If he progresses enough this season under the current conditions, wouldn't you have to consider it plausible? The trambis in a major rebuild. Unless they have the opportunity to sign a sure fire "franchise" QB either through the draft or UFA, I just dont see him walking away from a 2 year bridge deal or something similar at a reasonable team price. It's not ideal, but what is their..or his...legitimate option?

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In comment 15838872 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 15838804 Ron Johnson said: Quote: Lamar Jackson is it as far as free agents. The anti-Jonesers better be hoping for a lot of losses and improved draft position starting now. Jackson is not shaking free. The draft position isn't THAT important. We're trying to replace Daniel Jones here, not Johnny Unitas. So Josh Rosen it is ........

I'm not scared of the draft as long as the team is willing to fail fast. Failing slowly and holding on to the failure past its expiration date is the problem.

But to your post itself, DJ is closer to Josh Rosen than to Josh Allen. Two of the three will never be a genuine franchise QB.

we wanted DJ back next season, we would have picked up the 5th year option.

that plus signing TT, who is Daboll’s guy, is all of the evidence you need to know how the Giants really feel.

DJ would have to be a top 5-10 QB this season to overcome that. don’t hold your breath.

and if they don't end up with a top 10 pick. I would bring in Heineke or Minshew and Draft Dorian Thompson-Robinson from UCLA on day 2

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we wanted DJ back next season, we would have picked up the 5th year option. that plus signing TT, who is Daboll’s guy, is all of the evidence you need to know how the Giants really feel. DJ would have to be a top 5-10 QB this season to overcome that. don’t hold your breath.

They would never have started Jones if they knew he definitely wasn’t coming back. Even the Giants aren’t that stupid.

have Taylor under contract.

Schoen will enter the 2023 draft and either navigate to get one of his top choices at QB in Rd 1, or if unable, will probably settle for a second tier-type prospect on Day 2 with some development in mind.

And then Taylor drops off after next season. And based upon how Schoen/Daboll see the rookie they drafted in 2023, they may have to go at it again for another QB in the 2024 Draft.

Fun stuff, but you keep looking until you find your guy...

And they will take him.

TT will start and the rook will takeover.

The only potential FA QB that is clearly better than Jones, that anyone would want, is Jackson.

And it’s extremely unlikely that Jackson will make it to free agency.

We are probably going to be picking mid teens shopping for leftovers after several teams with more draft capital have selected the cream of the 2023 crop.

This is not encouraging

"Fine if you know so much more than an NFL GM who would you have picked in the draft?"

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And they will take him. TT will start and the rook will takeover.

Yup, that's how I see it playing out as well

Then I go hard after Jackson, understanding it is a longshot. Plan B would be a highly rated rookie.

Either way, I think Taylor sticks either as a backup or bridge, mainly because he is cheap and already under contract.

Under no circumstances would I extend a 2nd contract or tag for Jones. He has not displayed anything near worthy of over $20M