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Todd McShay on 2023 QBs.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/29/2022 7:29 pm
He was on Russillo's pod earlier.

He had 3 QBs going in the 1st & in this order: Stroud, Young, & Levis.

On Stroud: Poise in pocket, mobile, & good @ fitting ball in tough spots. He's hit or miss though.

Young: Small dude...5'10 & 186. Not a Murray or Wilson in that those guys are small, but built. Bryce is just skinny AF. There's worries how he'll hold up in NFL.

Levis: Weight room fanatic, but needs to be reeled in @ times since he's too pumped. When it comes to touch & finesse...Levis is missing too much. Work ethic & leadership are exceptional. 2 scouts: 1) Everyone on campus loves him & 2) His tape grade will only go up after season to draft. He'll be a star in pre draft process. Big arm, makes plays down the field...Peyton Manning said Levis stood out the most of college QBs due to his work ethic.

Says Richardson is the most gifted QB in this class, but very inconsistent as a passer. Thinks him & Van Dyke need another year in college & that Richardson could go 1st overall in '24 draft.

Van Dyke needs more work. He just stares down receivers.

Mark Stoops & Kentucky defensive players used Richardson's Heisman Trophy talk-premature AF IMO-as fuel & shut him down. McShay thinks Richardson is still learning how to be a pocket passer.

Russillo brings up good point about how people see Brees & Russ & think being a small QB isn't a BFD. Rusillo thinks it is...cites Murray having problems seeing past his OL. This is in reference to Young. McShay thinks Young might be an outlier because of his qualities: maneuvering inside pocket, showing up in big games, carrying team if need be, i.e. Texas game.

Re. OSU QBs: do Buckeyes make it so easy in getting their WRs open that the NFL becomes more of a challenge? McShay thinks OSU makes it easier than anyone else getting WRs open. Re. Fields...got stuck on one read @ Columbus & still a problem for him in NFL. McShay doesn't see that with Stroud; CJ goes through more progressions/faster than anyone in college football absent Young. McShay thinks Stroud is different than typical OSU QB.
Jaren Hall playing tonight for BYU  
larryflower37 : 9/29/2022 7:34 pm : link
He is raising and could be in the mix for where the Giants are drafting.
Also I think the top 3 can go in the top 6-8 picks
Richardson could be in the Giants sights at 10-15.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/29/2022 7:36 pm : link
I’ve watched a bit of Stroud and Levis this season, and I think it’s quite obvious that Levis has way more upside.
Peeps  
NJBlueTuna : 9/29/2022 7:36 pm : link
Are gonna sh!r themselves when we extend Jones and franchise Barkley.
….  
ryanmkeane : 9/29/2022 7:37 pm : link
Stroud seems a bit too robotic for me
RE: Peeps  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/29/2022 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15838112 NJBlueTuna said:
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Are gonna sh!r themselves when we extend Jones and franchise Barkley.


I can see the latter happening, but not the former.
Thanks for posting SFG  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/29/2022 7:42 pm : link
I am big on Bryce but I understand the size issues. For me it is more about the weight as I don't think his height impacts him. Has to go to where a franchise will value protecting him. Good point on the Ohio State system. It also stinks they are rarely tested.

Hopefully more guys emerge as the season plays out. Be nice to have 4-5 guys that our staff is comfortable with somewhere in round 1.
I’m not sure about Richardson going 1st overall in ‘24  
BigBlueShock : 9/29/2022 7:42 pm : link
It’s possible I suppose if he takes a quantum leap next season but I’d think as of now Caleb Williams is the jewel of that draft
RE: RE: Peeps  
NJBlueTuna : 9/29/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15838116 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15838112 NJBlueTuna said:


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Are gonna sh!r themselves when we extend Jones and franchise Barkley.



I can see the latter happening, but not the former.


We need a WR and CB in the top of the draft as they are way too expensive as FAs. Also, there is not a qb in this draft with upside potential that could do any better than Jones with this horrific offense.
RE: Jaren Hall playing tonight for BYU  
gameday555 : 9/29/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15838106 larryflower37 said:
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He is raising and could be in the mix for where the Giants are drafting.
Also I think the top 3 can go in the top 6-8 picks
Richardson could be in the Giants sights at 10-15.


Great call out on Hall. He's got some Russell Wilson to him, but he's going to be a 25 year old rookie. That will be a concern for some teams.

As for Levis, it wouldn't shock me at all if he winds up being the first QB taken, particularly if the Texans wind up with that pick.
The Giants already have a qb, they need WR and olinmen, what's  
Jack Stroud : 9/29/2022 7:47 pm : link
his take on those positions?
RE: The Giants already have a qb, they need WR and olinmen, what's  
NJBlueTuna : 9/29/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15838128 Jack Stroud said:
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his take on those positions?


OL will be ok, maybe a guard or C in the 2nd or 3rd round and a guard in free agency.
RE: The Giants already have a qb, they need WR and olinmen, what's  
BigBlueShock : 9/29/2022 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15838128 Jack Stroud said:
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his take on those positions?

I’m not sure Tyrod Taylor is the long term answer…
RE: …  
Jay on the Island : 9/29/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15838110 ryanmkeane said:
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I’ve watched a bit of Stroud and Levis this season, and I think it’s quite obvious that Levis has way more upside.

I respectfully disagree, Levis is 3 years older than Stroud.
RE: The Giants already have a qb, they need WR and olinmen, what's  
Producer : 9/29/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15838128 Jack Stroud said:
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his take on those positions?


Right. You're the guy who said Daniel Jones is better than Dak Prescott.
Re Stroud,  
81_Great_Dane : 9/29/2022 8:14 pm : link
I saw part of the Rose Bowl in person a few years ago with Ohio State. Saw Haskins play in that game. (Client had tickets, wanted to leave at halftime, so I missed the big comeback). I've posted about this before, but I don't understand how NFL scouts even evaluate those OSU quarterbacks.

The OSU line gives them as much time as they want. They face no pressure, none, zip. Make a read, make a second read, make another read, go back to the first read, order pizza, scan the field, eat the pizza, throw when you feel like it. Haskins was basically under no duress at all. He might as well have been wearing a red no-contact jersey in a practice.

I recall that he was inaccurate on at least some of his first few passes, and then zip! zip! zip! he was throwing TDs and OSU had a big lead. But I wasn't impressed with him and was glad the Giants didn't take him.
RE: The Giants already have a qb, they need WR and olinmen, what's  
Sean : 9/29/2022 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15838128 Jack Stroud said:
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his take on those positions?

Taylor is not a long term solution. He’ll start the season probably but my guess is Levis is the QB drafted for NYG.
81GD  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/29/2022 8:23 pm : link
It is a very fair point and McShay acknowledges the scheming at Ohio State but says it is a bit different now. To his credit Bw has made the same point.

100% that is stinks Ohio State is rarely tested to see their QB in a more unfavorable environment.
Stroud and Young  
WillVAB : 9/29/2022 8:56 pm : link
Are not franchise QBs. Levis is interesting.
RE: RE: The Giants already have a qb, they need WR and olinmen, what's  
Jerry in_DC : 9/29/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15838162 Producer said:
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In comment 15838128 Jack Stroud said:


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his take on those positions?



Right. You're the guy who said Daniel Jones is better than Dak Prescott.


He's a guy who doesn't like "running backs" playing QB
Chances are that  
Jerry in_DC : 9/29/2022 9:00 pm : link
1 of those top 3 isn't good and there there is 1 or 2 other guys in the draft who are good.

Nobody is good at scouting QBs. This should be accepted by looking at draft history and old mock drafts. You just have to roll the dice.
So the 2 guys who never lose  
Snablats : 9/29/2022 9:12 pm : link
and look great are NOT franchise QBs, but the guy who McShay just said has plenty of issues and who hasnt looked good this year IS the franchise QB

RE: So the 2 guys who never lose  
Jimmy Googs : 9/29/2022 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15838243 Snablats said:
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and look great are NOT franchise QBs, but the guy who McShay just said has plenty of issues and who hasnt looked good this year IS the franchise QB


Says the QB Whisperer who says stick with status quo in NY because change is scary...
RE: RE: So the 2 guys who never lose  
Snablats : 9/29/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15838374 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15838243 Snablats said:


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and look great are NOT franchise QBs, but the guy who McShay just said has plenty of issues and who hasnt looked good this year IS the franchise QB




Says the QB Whisperer who says stick with status quo in NY because change is scary...

Hey, the lying dupe just made his 500th post of the day, and in it he makes up crap again
We drafted Jones too high  
kelly : 9/29/2022 10:38 pm : link
Let's repeat that mistake and draft one of these guys high just so we can say we drafted a QB.

And then let's compound the problem by putting him behind our crap o line and have him throw to our terrible receivers.

And then when we continue to lose let's get another head coach and offensive coordinator who will then say we need to fix the o line and get receivers

By then the drafted QB will be shell shocked from being pounded, and everyone will be screaming we need to draft a QB.

Stop the nonsense with the way to fix the offense is simply to draft a QB.

Dallas beat us with a back up QB because their o line and receivers were much better than ours. That should speak volumes.

Jones, no Jones, it doesn't matter. Fix the o line. Get receivers. Then get your QB.

But in the meantime someone will need to be QB. So who will that be? That is what needs to be answered.

We are in this mess because DG put the cart before the horse. He drafted a running back and QB without fixing the o line and then traded our only good receiver away.

Dallas and Philly continue to be better even with not great quarterbacks because they always have good o lines and receivers.

RE: We drafted Jones too high  
Scooter185 : 9/29/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15838401 kelly said:
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Let's repeat that mistake and draft one of these guys high just so we can say we drafted a QB.

And then let's compound the problem by putting him behind our crap o line and have him throw to our terrible receivers.

And then when we continue to lose let's get another head coach and offensive coordinator who will then say we need to fix the o line and get receivers

By then the drafted QB will be shell shocked from being pounded, and everyone will be screaming we need to draft a QB.

Stop the nonsense with the way to fix the offense is simply to draft a QB.

Dallas beat us with a back up QB because their o line and receivers were much better than ours. That should speak volumes.

Jones, no Jones, it doesn't matter. Fix the o line. Get receivers. Then get your QB.

But in the meantime someone will need to be QB. So who will that be? That is what needs to be answered.

We are in this mess because DG put the cart before the horse. He drafted a running back and QB without fixing the o line and then traded our only good receiver away.

Dallas and Philly continue to be better even with not great quarterbacks because they always have good o lines and receivers.


That assumes JS isn't any better than DG, in which case we're doomed anyway.

However since I believe JS isn't a bumbling baffoon, he absolutely should do everything he can to draft is own QB if he's high on one
RE: We drafted Jones too high  
OBJRoyal : 9/30/2022 5:36 am : link
In comment 15838401 kelly said:
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Let's repeat that mistake and draft one of these guys high just so we can say we drafted a QB.

And then let's compound the problem by putting him behind our crap o line and have him throw to our terrible receivers.

And then when we continue to lose let's get another head coach and offensive coordinator who will then say we need to fix the o line and get receivers

By then the drafted QB will be shell shocked from being pounded, and everyone will be screaming we need to draft a QB.

Stop the nonsense with the way to fix the offense is simply to draft a QB.

Dallas beat us with a back up QB because their o line and receivers were much better than ours. That should speak volumes.

Jones, no Jones, it doesn't matter. Fix the o line. Get receivers. Then get your QB.

But in the meantime someone will need to be QB. So who will that be? That is what needs to be answered.

We are in this mess because DG put the cart before the horse. He drafted a running back and QB without fixing the o line and then traded our only good receiver away.

Dallas and Philly continue to be better even with not great quarterbacks because they always have good o lines and receivers.


Regardless of all of that, the Giants will still need another QB as Jones didn't have his option picked up.
The problem is not that Jones was drafted too high  
Heisenberg : 9/30/2022 9:15 am : link
The problem is he's just not very good. It really doesn't matter where he got picked. It matters that he's not that good and limits the franchise.

Similarly, if Schoen/Daboll think one of the 2023 guys is the guy they should pick them no matter where they're drafting.
Maybe the answer for the Giants is none of the 3.  
cosmicj : 9/30/2022 9:21 am : link
I sure hope Schoen has the balls to scout the guys and opt for “none of the above.” The thanks but no thanks decision on Sam Howell this last draft augurs well for Schoen’s discipline.
DJ's not staying anyway...  
Tom from LI : 9/30/2022 10:46 am : link
He is not going to help the Giants out by taking a place holder salary. We already have one of those.

He will probably want a fresh start regardless of the money.

He will end up in New Orleans. Book it.

RE: We drafted Jones too high  
Section331 : 9/30/2022 10:50 am : link
In comment 15838401 kelly said:
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Let's repeat that mistake and draft one of these guys high just so we can say we drafted a QB.



Or better yet, let's stick with the mistake we made 5 years ago. I'm not sure I understand the "don't draft a QB that high because the last one didn't work out, just stick with the last one that didn't work out" argument.
I will say this  
rich in DC : 9/30/2022 12:42 pm : link
The part on Levis sounds remarkably similar to what I posted after the Florida- Kentucky game. I think he’s going to fly up the draft board in April. Still might end up drafted 3rd because the other 2 big QBs will have big seasons too.

Notice who he never mentioned- Hooker from Tennessee. I have posted numerous times here that he’s a gimmick offense QB- they race the defense to the LOS and then throw quick passes to the sideline using bubble screens. Won’t fly in the NFL. Even when he does go down the field, he shows little to no accuracy- again, won’t fly in the NFL.
No the argument is  
kelly : 9/30/2022 12:43 pm : link
Unless you are absolutely sold on one of the QBs coming out don't draft a QB.

Instead build the o line and receivers and then go get the quarterback you have a real conviction on. Whether that be draft, FA, or trade.
There is a quarterback on a currently undefeated P5  
BigBlueBuff : 9/30/2022 1:26 pm : link
team that is flying under everybody's radar. I'm not 100% sold yet, but he'll be entering the conversation soon enough if he continues on this trajectory. He is currently:

-2nd nationally in Pro Football Focus’ Overall Grade among all P5 QBs, with a grade of 92.2.
-2nd in PFF’s Passing Grade (91.9).
-6th in Big Time Throw Rate (PFF) among P5 QBs at 8.5%.
-6th in yards-per attempt (10.4)

He has also shown tremendous growth during his career:

2020: 72-for-131, 1,056 yards, 6 TDs, 6 INTs, 55 CMP%, 8.1 YPA
2021: 122-for-194, 1,539 yards, 15 TDs, 6 INTs, 62.3 CMP%, 7.9 YPA
2022: 60-for-91, 945 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT, 65.9 CMP%, 10.4 YPA (4 games)

I'll let you guys figure it out, but you might want to tune into the 3:30 ABC game tomorrow. It's likely going to be a shootout.
I'm watching  
santacruzom : 10/1/2022 1:44 am : link
UCLA and Washington right now and man, I like Michael Penix. He's got quite an arm and such a fast release.
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