got a 4 year $94 million contract in 2018, at age 34-35 I think. Mitch Trubisky got a 2 year $14 million contract with Pitt at age 27. Marcus Mariota signed a 2. year $19 million contract.
I think Jones is better than Mariota and Trubisky. But he's clearly not in the same class as some of the upper echelon QBs in the league.
I would think if the Giants extend Jones, and I think that is the case only if they don't think they will have the opportunity to draft a QB this year. I would think a 3 year deal in the $15 million AAV range, guaranteed for 2 years, is something he would accept and no other team would probably make a play for him at that price.
But there aren't too many QBs that have reached free agency under the scenario he will reach free agency under. So it should be interesting.
but if a viable replacement is not on the horizon, extending Jones could be an option.
BBI likes to throw out the franchise tag number, or what mediocre (or slightly better) are getting, which is outrageous.
However, a stopgap QB gets considerably less. Trubisky got 2 yr, 14 mil. So far, Jones hasn't really played well enough, IMO, to garner more than stopgap/low cost what the heck, take a chance, contract in that range or a little higher.
It might work for both. Jones gets another year or two in a familiar system to make his case. Giants get another year or two to find a replacement.
Obviously, if a viable replacement is in sight, so long Jones.
to extend 3-4 years. At most, unless things change drastically, I tie him up for one year to evaluate further
This didn’t answer the question. 🙄
The answer to the question, as best I can do, is that I'm not extending Jones 3-4 years at any price. I would tag him for 1 year, if he was still a viable choice. Unless, of course, he has a breakout season, which he has not yet had
Derek Carr signed a three year, $120.5 million extension with the Raiders. $65.2 million is guaranteed of which $24.9 million is guaranteed at signing. If Carr is on the roster on the 3rd day of the waiver period in 2023, his 2023 base salary and $7.5 million of his 2024 base salary will be guaranteed. The extension created $500,000 in cap space for the Raiders in 2022. Link - ( New Window )
I would think if the Giants extend Jones, and I think that is the case only if they don't think they will have the opportunity to draft a QB this year. I would think a 3 year deal in the $15 million AAV range, guaranteed for 2 years, is something he would accept and no other team would probably make a play for him at that price..
Assuming Jones produces well enough to return, keep in mind he gets a vote in the contract too.
Most two year deals are for tweener, fringe starters --Trubisky, Mariota, Bridgewater types.
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Feels like something around $18-20m per year would do it.
Sure, it’s a lot but you can’t really pay too much for quality. Mara needs to pony up the ducats to lock up Jones and Saquon. We wanna keep this thing going for at least another decade. It’ll be a tough negotiation so I hope Mara can bring in Gettleman as kind of special deal maker. Do it now Mara!
Russ Wilson sounds fair. 230 million dollars multi year deal. I mean Golliday is a bust and it’s a new coach so fair is fair. And jones just as good as anyone else if he only had X like those others do …
Assuming Jones produces well enough to return, keep in mind he gets a vote in the contract too.
Most two year deals are for tweener, fringe starters --Trubisky, Mariota, Bridgewater types.
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Agree up until your last line. He'd need to have a hell of a final 14 games to sniff a $100m+ contract. Tanehill won comeback player of the year in 2019 going 7-3 after the trade to Tennessee and proceeded to win at NE and at Baltimore in the playoffs. If he's your comp then we'd need to see something similar from Jones, IMO.
to extend 3-4 years. At most, unless things change drastically, I tie him up for one year to evaluate further
This didn’t answer the question. 🙄
Your question is absurd because even a team that is as bullish as anyone could realistically suggest would not give DJ 3-4 years.
How about we cut through the bullshit and you just reveal your punchline or your agenda, for whatever purpose this ridiculous thread was intended to serve.
but if a viable replacement is not on the horizon, extending Jones could be an option.
BBI likes to throw out the franchise tag number, or what mediocre (or slightly better) are getting, which is outrageous.
However, a stopgap QB gets considerably less. Trubisky got 2 yr, 14 mil. So far, Jones hasn't really played well enough, IMO, to garner more than stopgap/low cost what the heck, take a chance, contract in that range or a little higher.
It might work for both. Jones gets another year or two in a familiar system to make his case. Giants get another year or two to find a replacement.
Obviously, if a viable replacement is in sight, so long Jones.
3 games in, though. Long way to go.
None of those stopgaps have ever signed with the teams who drafted them. It's unprecedented. And it's incredibly unlikely here, too, IMO. I think the Giants will either commit to DJ with a genuine starting QB price (even if on the low end), or they'll let him walk.
They're not going to get halfway pregnant like the DJFC wants to grasp onto.
Even if he played for free. The dollars are not the problem. Having a bad QB is the problem.
Bingo.
Several teams have gone with discount options at QB in recent years. KC and Alex Smith. Everyone gets on Goff, but he was not paid at the same level as top QBs by the Rams. And Garopollo in SF has a nice contract but it’s not at the level of top QBs.
All of those teams have long term contracts that reflected their QBs not-bad-but-not-top-shelf talent in financial terms.
What was the next QB move for each one of these teams? I’ll let you guess.
Russ Wilson sounds fair. 230 million dollars multi year deal. I mean Golliday is a bust and it’s a new coach so fair is fair. And jones just as good as anyone else if he only had X like those others do …
LOL. I liked trueblue’s idea of a portion of team ownership, too. It’s only fair.
when in the current rookie contract structure, has a starting QB had his 5th year option declined, but is resigned by the team that drafted him at a below market rate?
It has never happened. Now maybe the Giants break that mold, but I am very skeptical. If Schoen & Co intend to draft and groom a QB, they will not want the current starter. I think people need to get used to the idea that Jones will likely not be here next year.
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Agree up until your last line. He'd need to have a hell of a final 14 games to sniff a $100m+ contract. Tanehill won comeback player of the year in 2019 going 7-3 after the trade to Tennessee and proceeded to win at NE and at Baltimore in the playoffs. If he's your comp then we'd need to see something similar from Jones, IMO.
To be clear, I'm not saying Jones should or will get that. I'm saying that's what I think it'll take for Jones to sign a multi-year agreement. Otherwise I bet Team Jones would opt for a 1-year prove it.
He's better off taking bad money for one year, than bad money for two. If he's a midtier starter, there's no reason for him to take a fringe starter contract.
I asked a similar question a while back and B3 of course came back with an example (because he’s so smart), which was Kyle Boller. Which is neither reassuring or part of the current rookie salary cap structure. I think the answer to your question is that there is no precedent.
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Agree up until your last line. He'd need to have a hell of a final 14 games to sniff a $100m+ contract. Tanehill won comeback player of the year in 2019 going 7-3 after the trade to Tennessee and proceeded to win at NE and at Baltimore in the playoffs. If he's your comp then we'd need to see something similar from Jones, IMO.
To be clear, I'm not saying Jones should or will get that. I'm saying that's what I think it'll take for Jones to sign a multi-year agreement. Otherwise I bet Team Jones would opt for a 1-year prove it.
He's better off taking bad money for one year, than bad money for two. If he's a midtier starter, there's no reason for him to take a fringe starter contract.
Got it, I misinterpreted your post. Yeah I can see him wanting that for sure and would agree, a 1 year deal with a better situation seems like the smart move. Its effectively what Jimmy G is doing right now with the deal he negotiated.
when in the current rookie contract structure, has a starting QB had his 5th year option declined, but is resigned by the team that drafted him at a below market rate?
It has never happened. Now maybe the Giants break that mold, but I am very skeptical. If Schoen & Co intend to draft and groom a QB, they will not want the current starter. I think people need to get used to the idea that Jones will likely not be here next year.
How many teams have started a rookie contract QB in his fourth year and not picked up his option? I don't know of any. Arguably Trubisky but he was benched in year 4 before Foles got injured. so if you already have something that has never happened, all events that follow it have never happened as well. Could be I am missing someone but at best it is a tiny sample size. You can also flip the argument the other way. How many teams have had a rookie contract QB as their starter for four years, and not given him a contract for the next year? That is a larger sample size (since it includes non 1st round rookies) but again I can think of zero (other than arguably Trubisky)
Bottom line is very clear. Management is not committed to getting rid of DJ and they are not committed to keeping him. No other point of view passes rational muster. Which by the way is exactly what their position should be.
How many teams have started a rookie contract QB in his fourth year and not picked up his option?
Jake Locker and Mitch Trubisky both had their 5th year declined and went into their 4th seasons as the starter. That each was benched is immaterial to the conversation. So, yes, it has happened, and neither of these examples speaks well of Jones's chances.
I get that it is a small sample size, we're talking about one position in one round over effectively an 8 year period (current rookie structure began in 2011, but those drafted in 2019 and later don't yet qualify for the 5th year designation). But the odds are still long that they bring Jones back.
He's better off taking bad money for one year, than bad money for two. If he's a midtier starter, there's no reason for him to take a fringe starter contract.
Got it, I misinterpreted your post. Yeah I can see him wanting that for sure and would agree, a 1 year deal with a better situation seems like the smart move. Its effectively what Jimmy G is doing right now with the deal he negotiated.
Yup, and you called that one.
It'll be an interesting QB market out there this offseason.
This didn’t answer the question. 🙄
I think Jones is better than Mariota and Trubisky. But he's clearly not in the same class as some of the upper echelon QBs in the league.
I would think if the Giants extend Jones, and I think that is the case only if they don't think they will have the opportunity to draft a QB this year. I would think a 3 year deal in the $15 million AAV range, guaranteed for 2 years, is something he would accept and no other team would probably make a play for him at that price.
But there aren't too many QBs that have reached free agency under the scenario he will reach free agency under. So it should be interesting.
BBI likes to throw out the franchise tag number, or what mediocre (or slightly better) are getting, which is outrageous.
However, a stopgap QB gets considerably less. Trubisky got 2 yr, 14 mil. So far, Jones hasn't really played well enough, IMO, to garner more than stopgap/low cost what the heck, take a chance, contract in that range or a little higher.
It might work for both. Jones gets another year or two in a familiar system to make his case. Giants get another year or two to find a replacement.
Obviously, if a viable replacement is in sight, so long Jones.
3 games in, though. Long way to go.
Quote:
to extend 3-4 years. At most, unless things change drastically, I tie him up for one year to evaluate further
This didn’t answer the question. 🙄
The answer to the question, as best I can do, is that I'm not extending Jones 3-4 years at any price. I would tag him for 1 year, if he was still a viable choice. Unless, of course, he has a breakout season, which he has not yet had
Link - ( New Window )
I would think if the Giants extend Jones, and I think that is the case only if they don't think they will have the opportunity to draft a QB this year. I would think a 3 year deal in the $15 million AAV range, guaranteed for 2 years, is something he would accept and no other team would probably make a play for him at that price..
Bingo! And thanks for the comps you provided.
Most two year deals are for tweener, fringe starters --Trubisky, Mariota, Bridgewater types.
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Most two year deals are for tweener, fringe starters --Trubisky, Mariota, Bridgewater types.
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Agree up until your last line. He'd need to have a hell of a final 14 games to sniff a $100m+ contract. Tanehill won comeback player of the year in 2019 going 7-3 after the trade to Tennessee and proceeded to win at NE and at Baltimore in the playoffs. If he's your comp then we'd need to see something similar from Jones, IMO.
Quote:
to extend 3-4 years. At most, unless things change drastically, I tie him up for one year to evaluate further
This didn’t answer the question. 🙄
Your question is absurd because even a team that is as bullish as anyone could realistically suggest would not give DJ 3-4 years.
How about we cut through the bullshit and you just reveal your punchline or your agenda, for whatever purpose this ridiculous thread was intended to serve.
BBI likes to throw out the franchise tag number, or what mediocre (or slightly better) are getting, which is outrageous.
However, a stopgap QB gets considerably less. Trubisky got 2 yr, 14 mil. So far, Jones hasn't really played well enough, IMO, to garner more than stopgap/low cost what the heck, take a chance, contract in that range or a little higher.
It might work for both. Jones gets another year or two in a familiar system to make his case. Giants get another year or two to find a replacement.
Obviously, if a viable replacement is in sight, so long Jones.
3 games in, though. Long way to go.
None of those stopgaps have ever signed with the teams who drafted them. It's unprecedented. And it's incredibly unlikely here, too, IMO. I think the Giants will either commit to DJ with a genuine starting QB price (even if on the low end), or they'll let him walk.
They're not going to get halfway pregnant like the DJFC wants to grasp onto.
Bingo.
Several teams have gone with discount options at QB in recent years. KC and Alex Smith. Everyone gets on Goff, but he was not paid at the same level as top QBs by the Rams. And Garopollo in SF has a nice contract but it’s not at the level of top QBs.
All of those teams have long term contracts that reflected their QBs not-bad-but-not-top-shelf talent in financial terms.
What was the next QB move for each one of these teams? I’ll let you guess.
LOL. I liked trueblue’s idea of a portion of team ownership, too. It’s only fair.
It has never happened. Now maybe the Giants break that mold, but I am very skeptical. If Schoen & Co intend to draft and groom a QB, they will not want the current starter. I think people need to get used to the idea that Jones will likely not be here next year.
Agree up until your last line. He'd need to have a hell of a final 14 games to sniff a $100m+ contract. Tanehill won comeback player of the year in 2019 going 7-3 after the trade to Tennessee and proceeded to win at NE and at Baltimore in the playoffs. If he's your comp then we'd need to see something similar from Jones, IMO.
To be clear, I'm not saying Jones should or will get that. I'm saying that's what I think it'll take for Jones to sign a multi-year agreement. Otherwise I bet Team Jones would opt for a 1-year prove it.
He's better off taking bad money for one year, than bad money for two. If he's a midtier starter, there's no reason for him to take a fringe starter contract.
Quote:
If Jones has a decent year, he won't be relegated to that level. Team Jones would either want 4+ commitment or 1-year prove it deal to get back into UFA next offseason. A good starting point for a multi-year deal is the 4/118M deal Tannehill signed.
Agree up until your last line. He'd need to have a hell of a final 14 games to sniff a $100m+ contract. Tanehill won comeback player of the year in 2019 going 7-3 after the trade to Tennessee and proceeded to win at NE and at Baltimore in the playoffs. If he's your comp then we'd need to see something similar from Jones, IMO.
To be clear, I'm not saying Jones should or will get that. I'm saying that's what I think it'll take for Jones to sign a multi-year agreement. Otherwise I bet Team Jones would opt for a 1-year prove it.
He's better off taking bad money for one year, than bad money for two. If he's a midtier starter, there's no reason for him to take a fringe starter contract.
Got it, I misinterpreted your post. Yeah I can see him wanting that for sure and would agree, a 1 year deal with a better situation seems like the smart move. Its effectively what Jimmy G is doing right now with the deal he negotiated.
It has never happened. Now maybe the Giants break that mold, but I am very skeptical. If Schoen & Co intend to draft and groom a QB, they will not want the current starter. I think people need to get used to the idea that Jones will likely not be here next year.
How many teams have started a rookie contract QB in his fourth year and not picked up his option? I don't know of any. Arguably Trubisky but he was benched in year 4 before Foles got injured. so if you already have something that has never happened, all events that follow it have never happened as well. Could be I am missing someone but at best it is a tiny sample size. You can also flip the argument the other way. How many teams have had a rookie contract QB as their starter for four years, and not given him a contract for the next year? That is a larger sample size (since it includes non 1st round rookies) but again I can think of zero (other than arguably Trubisky)
Bottom line is very clear. Management is not committed to getting rid of DJ and they are not committed to keeping him. No other point of view passes rational muster. Which by the way is exactly what their position should be.
How many teams have started a rookie contract QB in his fourth year and not picked up his option?
Jake Locker and Mitch Trubisky both had their 5th year declined and went into their 4th seasons as the starter. That each was benched is immaterial to the conversation. So, yes, it has happened, and neither of these examples speaks well of Jones's chances.
I get that it is a small sample size, we're talking about one position in one round over effectively an 8 year period (current rookie structure began in 2011, but those drafted in 2019 and later don't yet qualify for the 5th year designation). But the odds are still long that they bring Jones back.
Got it, I misinterpreted your post. Yeah I can see him wanting that for sure and would agree, a 1 year deal with a better situation seems like the smart move. Its effectively what Jimmy G is doing right now with the deal he negotiated.
Yup, and you called that one.
It'll be an interesting QB market out there this offseason.