So are other said quarterbacks. It makes sense to see what you have with additions to the roster of high prices free agent talent.
If you think the skill positions stink now just imagine what it would be like when you have to extend Jones for millions with no cap space for much else.
And doesn’t rule out the fact that Jones might not be as good as Tua or other QBs even with better support. Really extending Jones sounds like it would be a disaster.
I'm guessing a concussion from the bang into the ground
NFL better pray that nothing comes out about last week as he looks out (like boxer or mma out) and that would be two weeks in a row where he had a "questionable" injury..
Bridgewater coming in and Thompson the rookie is active..
RE: I'm guessing a concussion from the bang into the ground
Yeah, it's like an epileptic fit. Which is most common after multiple concussions. Which means he most likely had one last week and Miami knew it but ignored the issue
Really did a bang up job letting him come back last week and play tonight. Maybe they can tamper again and get Aaron Rodgers in the off season. Scum bags
Really did a bang up job letting him come back last week and play tonight. Maybe they can tamper again and get Aaron Rodgers in the off season. Scum bags
yes, if this is serious, that entire management needs to be called to the carpet.
Really did a bang up job letting him come back last week and play tonight. Maybe they can tamper again and get Aaron Rodgers in the off season. Scum bags
yes, if this is serious, that entire management needs to be called to the carpet.
With their starting qb showing the signs of a concussion last week, now in front of a national audience, he suffers a spasticity seizure……i guess its all in paying the price, working for these 32 billion dollar franchises……
Tua was allowed to come back into the game last week
Indeed. Higgins looked exactly like Golladay when he was going well in Detroit. It was the first thing I thought, big size downfield threat, contested catch guy.
RE: RE: Tua was allowed to come back into the game last week
And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
Being honest Sean. If I m the coach, and the medical people tell me he s ok, I play him. My job is to run the team and win, not make decisions that are not in my lane
I don’t think it s fair to blame it he HC here. Just my opinion
And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
He is either cleared or he is not cleared. There is no hedging. If the MD says he is good to go, he is good to go. That is why the league went to independent MDs. We know there were teams that fudged reports. The NFL was sued. The clearance is solely in the hands of and outside source.
It is a violent sport. I find it hard to believe that virtually every player doesn't get a concussion every game.
And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
Being honest Sean. If I m the coach, and the medical people tell me he s ok, I play him. My job is to run the team and win, not make decisions that are not in my lane
I don’t think it s fair to blame it he HC here. Just my opinion
Coach is not to blame at all unless the player or someone knowledgeable says to the coach that the doctor is wrong for some reason. Otherwise, he is not qualified to make medical judgements.
And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
He is either cleared or he is not cleared. There is no hedging. If the MD says he is good to go, he is good to go. That is why the league went to independent MDs. We know there were teams that fudged reports. The NFL was sued. The clearance is solely in the hands of and outside source.
It is a violent sport. I find it hard to believe that virtually every player doesn't get a concussion every game.
Junior Seau said he had a headache for 15 straight years. He thought he was in a constant concussed state.
And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
Being honest Sean. If I m the coach, and the medical people tell me he s ok, I play him. My job is to run the team and win, not make decisions that are not in my lane
I don’t think it s fair to blame it he HC here. Just my opinion
You’re right. I’ve heard both Joe Judge and Brian Daboll say in press conferences that part of a coaches job is to protect a player from himself when he’s hurt. That’s why my first thought went there, but if he’s cleared he’s cleared.
I know they didn’t put THAT DUDE one on one with Jamarr Chase
Pinched a nerve? Obviously neurological issue with the hand "cramping".
If you think the skill positions stink now just imagine what it would be like when you have to extend Jones for millions with no cap space for much else.
And doesn’t rule out the fact that Jones might not be as good as Tua or other QBs even with better support. Really extending Jones sounds like it would be a disaster.
NFL better pray that nothing comes out about last week as he looks out (like boxer or mma out) and that would be two weeks in a row where he had a "questionable" injury..
Bridgewater coming in and Thompson the rookie is active..
I would say so. That shoulder and back slammed and the head did follow but not as hard. That was/is effin scary.
Yeah, it's like an epileptic fit. Which is most common after multiple concussions. Which means he most likely had one last week and Miami knew it but ignored the issue
Hard to believe Miami would err that badly.
Hard to believe Miami would err that badly.
Yes, we went over this last year with Jones. Player has to be cleared by an independent neurologist
Trainers/medical staff don't make the decision to put him out there.
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Really did a bang up job letting him come back last week and play tonight. Maybe they can tamper again and get Aaron Rodgers in the off season. Scum bags
yes, if this is serious, that entire management needs to be called to the carpet.
Didn't NFLPA file a complaint?
Trainers/medical staff don't make the decision to put him out there.
Yes they do they just can’t do it unless cleared by a 3rd party (if it’s concussion related). It was a back injury anyway.
Again, it's not the Dolphins, right?
An independent doctor would have allowed him back in.
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...determine if you are ok to play? At least I thought they had a part in it.
Hard to believe Miami would err that badly.
Yes, we went over this last year with Jones. Player has to be cleared by an independent neurologist
What if they frame it from the start as a back/ankle injury?
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because they knew Tua was at risk.
Trainers/medical staff don't make the decision to put him out there.
Yes they do they just can’t do it unless cleared by a 3rd party (if it’s concussion related). It was a back injury anyway.
It’s certainly plausible that he stumbled b/c of his back last week, but whenever someone stumbles people think it’s a concussion.
In any event he had head & neck injuries this time
Indeed. Higgins looked exactly like Golladay when he was going well in Detroit. It was the first thing I thought, big size downfield threat, contested catch guy.
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Dolphins never admitted the concussion.
Again, it's not the Dolphins, right?
An independent doctor would have allowed him back in.
The Dolphins saw him staggering on the field like everybody else.
And the Dolphins put him back out there.
That much we know. The details of how it was handled may come out in the NFLPA complaint.
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Dolphins never admitted the concussion.
Again, it's not the Dolphins, right?
An independent doctor would have allowed him back in.
The Dolphins saw him staggering on the field like everybody else.
And the Dolphins put him back out there.
That much we know. The details of how it was handled may come out in the NFLPA complaint.
Right.
Common sense would say the independent doctor would have gotten involved immediately, but who knows?
Detail is in the complaint.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
I noticed that too. Almost forgot what it’s supposed to look like.
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The independent neurologist cleared him last week, was he wrong? Who knows but it's not the dirty Dolphins hiding concussions.
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Dolphins never admitted the concussion.
Again, it's not the Dolphins, right?
An independent doctor would have allowed him back in.
The Dolphins saw him staggering on the field like everybody else.
And the Dolphins put him back out there.
That much we know. The details of how it was handled may come out in the NFLPA complaint.
Right.
Common sense would say the independent doctor would have gotten involved immediately, but who knows?
Detail is in the complaint.
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
Being honest Sean. If I m the coach, and the medical people tell me he s ok, I play him. My job is to run the team and win, not make decisions that are not in my lane
I don’t think it s fair to blame it he HC here. Just my opinion
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
He is either cleared or he is not cleared. There is no hedging. If the MD says he is good to go, he is good to go. That is why the league went to independent MDs. We know there were teams that fudged reports. The NFL was sued. The clearance is solely in the hands of and outside source.
It is a violent sport. I find it hard to believe that virtually every player doesn't get a concussion every game.
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
Being honest Sean. If I m the coach, and the medical people tell me he s ok, I play him. My job is to run the team and win, not make decisions that are not in my lane
I don’t think it s fair to blame it he HC here. Just my opinion
Coach is not to blame at all unless the player or someone knowledgeable says to the coach that the doctor is wrong for some reason. Otherwise, he is not qualified to make medical judgements.
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
HCs rely on the docs to give them the thumbs up or down. If they give a player the good to go, the HC isn't going to say no.
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
He is either cleared or he is not cleared. There is no hedging. If the MD says he is good to go, he is good to go. That is why the league went to independent MDs. We know there were teams that fudged reports. The NFL was sued. The clearance is solely in the hands of and outside source.
It is a violent sport. I find it hard to believe that virtually every player doesn't get a concussion every game.
Junior Seau said he had a headache for 15 straight years. He thought he was in a constant concussed state.
And it's often a patient who wants to play.
When a player shows objective signs of brain trauma, as Tua did, those signs should be given more weight than they were evidently given in this case.
I'd be pretty sure that is basis of NFLPA complaint.
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And now he makes the enormous error to play Tua on a short week. Awful.
If a player is cleared by the medical staff, how is that on the coach.
True. Although on a short week is it worth risking it regardless of what the medical staff says?
Being honest Sean. If I m the coach, and the medical people tell me he s ok, I play him. My job is to run the team and win, not make decisions that are not in my lane
I don’t think it s fair to blame it he HC here. Just my opinion
You’re right. I’ve heard both Joe Judge and Brian Daboll say in press conferences that part of a coaches job is to protect a player from himself when he’s hurt. That’s why my first thought went there, but if he’s cleared he’s cleared.
It sure helps the QB when he has good skill position players on offense….
Yes he has some talented targets, but I would imagine he does fairly well with even a lesser set of pieces around him.