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NFT: Deflecting some of the KT89 hate to KT5

monstercoo : 9/30/2022 1:03 am
To the close minded fans that can’t stop complaining about Toney because he’s different:


(And he’s missed 2/3 of his career games)
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We can't stop complaining about Toney because he refuses to play  
Snablats : 9/30/2022 1:18 am : link
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Clearly trying to intimidate the competition  
ghost718 : 9/30/2022 1:43 am : link
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Not exactly a six pack, is it?  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/30/2022 2:00 am : link
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I eat pizza every day  
mattnyg05 : 9/30/2022 6:08 am : link
and I haven’t done a sit up since 2015 and that’s what my stomach looks like. Just saying.
I had no idea what was inside this thread from the title  
robbieballs2003 : 9/30/2022 6:26 am : link
But wow. I understand now.
Yet KT5  
section125 : 9/30/2022 6:53 am : link
played in the last game for more than 7 snaps....
Don’t know if that outfit says  
BillT : 9/30/2022 7:29 am : link
He’s a slave to fashion or he isn’t. It’s all him to be sure.
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christian : 9/30/2022 7:37 am : link
I thought cigarettes werecab appetite suppressant.
That's not  
mittenedman : 9/30/2022 7:41 am : link
very inspiring...
no way  
bluefin : 9/30/2022 8:05 am : link
can’t be
That thing he's wearing on his head  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 8:09 am : link
reminds me of something my grandma would wear. So, he's got that going for him...along with the stomach.

Never knew I could have better abs than an NFL Player who isn't a Lineman, but I'll take it!
By suggesting a deflection..  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 8:42 am : link
you are assuming that the amount of hate to express in the ignorant fan base is limited.

But... I dont think it is
I hope this guy becomes a stud  
ArtVandelay : 9/30/2022 8:45 am : link
but a 22 year old smoker with a dad bod is a little concerning
sorry am I missing something?  
Dinger : 9/30/2022 8:59 am : link
How do we know he smokes?
Very stupid thread title, though.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:04 am : link
Thibs doesn't deserve 1/100th of the hate that Toney deserves.
He really needs to start working out and  
cosmicj : 9/30/2022 9:05 am : link
Watching his weight.

Strahan should get on him about this.
Wow  
Jerry in_DC : 9/30/2022 9:13 am : link
That is a fascinating picture on a lot of levels. I feel like we could have a half day working session to unpack all the details
RE: Very stupid thread title, though.  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:19 am : link
In comment 15838572 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Thibs doesn't deserve 1/100th of the hate that Toney deserves.


Yeesh

To the Toney haters let me just ask this question..

Is there ANY chance, any at all... that the dude has simply had bad luck with injuries for the last 18 months?

Think of Jose Reyes when he came up and couldn't keep his legs healthy...talent was obvious, but he couldnt stay on the field.. then he changed some things, got some treatment, and became a durable player on HOF career path (until Madoff scandal derailed his career)

The coach says he does all the right things, the media really doesn't rip him at all, and yet this perception that he doesn't care about football and isn't tough enough to gut out injuries persists here on BBI.

So is there any chance at all that he is just ACTUALLY dealing with real injuries and that what Daboll says IS the truth?



We’ll see how he does on the field  
Metnut : 9/30/2022 9:22 am : link
but that’s not exactly how you want your #5 overall pick stud pass rusher to look like.
RE: Wow  
cosmicj : 9/30/2022 9:22 am : link
In comment 15838588 Jerry in_DC said:
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That is a fascinating picture on a lot of levels. I feel like we could have a half day working session to unpack all the details


I actually love the style. What I don’t like is the belly and the lack of a shirt.
RE: We can't stop complaining about Toney because he refuses to play  
Section331 : 9/30/2022 9:22 am : link
In comment 15838474 Snablats said:
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Exactly, it shouldn't be hard to understand. I have zero issues with whatever KT wants to do off the field, if he wants to have a sidebar rap career, good on him! But football has to be more of a priority for him, or else he won't be in the league much longer.
Monstercoo  
cosmicj : 9/30/2022 9:23 am : link
No one hates Toney because he’s “different.” In fact, no one hates him.
RE: RE: Very stupid thread title, though.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:25 am : link
In comment 15838595 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15838572 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Thibs doesn't deserve 1/100th of the hate that Toney deserves.



Yeesh

To the Toney haters let me just ask this question..

Is there ANY chance, any at all... that the dude has simply had bad luck with injuries for the last 18 months?

Think of Jose Reyes when he came up and couldn't keep his legs healthy...talent was obvious, but he couldnt stay on the field.. then he changed some things, got some treatment, and became a durable player on HOF career path (until Madoff scandal derailed his career)

The coach says he does all the right things, the media really doesn't rip him at all, and yet this perception that he doesn't care about football and isn't tough enough to gut out injuries persists here on BBI.

So is there any chance at all that he is just ACTUALLY dealing with real injuries and that what Daboll says IS the truth?




Read the first sentence of your post. He's been injured for 18 months straight?

Man, I wish I could be that gullible. And even if this is all true, he still deserves to be called out. He's a 1st round pick and is NEVER on the field. Literally, never. But keep holding onto that one Dallas game from last year. Certainly isn't the outlier. Not at all.

Sheesh. People.
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christian : 9/30/2022 9:26 am : link
This thread really has the potential to be an all-timer if the right characters show up.
Let me ask it again  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:27 am : link
Is there any chance that he has actually been dealing with real injuries?

Any chance at all?

Again there seems to be a perception that he just doesn't want to play or push through injuries.

That's based on assumptions, not facts.
RE: Let me ask it again  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15838613 moze1021 said:
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Is there any chance that he has actually been dealing with real injuries?

Any chance at all?

Again there seems to be a perception that he just doesn't want to play or push through injuries.

That's based on assumptions, not facts.


Actually, he never plays. So, it isn't assumption. Unless you really think he's been injured for literally 18 months straight.

Let's not forget the cleat situation from last year, too. Totally a guy who wants to get on the field..
You mean Thibs?  
cosmicj : 9/30/2022 9:29 am : link
Yes, he was clearly injured fairly seriously in the preseason. We all saw it. I was wondering if he really should have played Monday but will trust the coaches on this one.

Is that the question?
Again Jose..  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:29 am : link
had hamstring issues for 2 years in his age 20 and 21 seasons

Then he completely turned it around and was able to play essentially every game for 4-5 years after
RE: Again Jose..  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:30 am : link
In comment 15838616 moze1021 said:
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had hamstring issues for 2 years in his age 20 and 21 seasons

Then he completely turned it around and was able to play essentially every game for 4-5 years after


Okay? What does Jose Reyes have to do with Kadarius Toney? Literally nothing.
RE: RE: Let me ask it again  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:31 am : link
In comment 15838614 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15838613 moze1021 said:


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Is there any chance that he has actually been dealing with real injuries?

Any chance at all?

Again there seems to be a perception that he just doesn't want to play or push through injuries.

That's based on assumptions, not facts.



Actually, he never plays. So, it isn't assumption. Unless you really think he's been injured for literally 18 months straight.

Let's not forget the cleat situation from last year, too. Totally a guy who wants to get on the field..


Holy crap man...

The assumption comes in with the reason...

You and others assume he isn't really injured.

My question is why do you not consider the possibility that he truly has been injured (just as Jose Reyes was) and hasn't been able to get healthy?
Speaking of another Giant linebacker  
ArtVandelay : 9/30/2022 9:31 am : link
who didn't exactly have 6-pack abs, guy walking behind him looks a little like Antonio Pierce.
RE: RE: Again Jose..  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15838618 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15838616 moze1021 said:


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had hamstring issues for 2 years in his age 20 and 21 seasons

Then he completely turned it around and was able to play essentially every game for 4-5 years after



Okay? What does Jose Reyes have to do with Kadarius Toney? Literally nothing.


I'm giving an example of an elite athlete being injured for 2 years because that somehow seems to be inconceivable to you
RE: RE: RE: Let me ask it again  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15838621 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15838614 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 15838613 moze1021 said:


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Is there any chance that he has actually been dealing with real injuries?

Any chance at all?

Again there seems to be a perception that he just doesn't want to play or push through injuries.

That's based on assumptions, not facts.



Actually, he never plays. So, it isn't assumption. Unless you really think he's been injured for literally 18 months straight.

Let's not forget the cleat situation from last year, too. Totally a guy who wants to get on the field..



Holy crap man...

The assumption comes in with the reason...

You and others assume he isn't really injured.

My question is why do you not consider the possibility that he truly has been injured (just as Jose Reyes was) and hasn't been able to get healthy?


Because he never shows he wants to get on the field. Ever. Why do you assume he is constantly injured to the point that he can rarely PRACTICE or play in games?

Damn. You are special.
RE: RE: RE: Again Jose..  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:33 am : link
In comment 15838623 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15838616 moze1021 said:


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had hamstring issues for 2 years in his age 20 and 21 seasons

Then he completely turned it around and was able to play essentially every game for 4-5 years after



Okay? What does Jose Reyes have to do with Kadarius Toney? Literally nothing.



I'm giving an example of an elite athlete being injured for 2 years because that somehow seems to be inconceivable to you


That's right. Because it's quite a stretch. One has nothing to do with the other. Forget play. Toney rarely ever practices.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Again Jose..  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15838625 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15838618 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 15838616 moze1021 said:


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had hamstring issues for 2 years in his age 20 and 21 seasons

Then he completely turned it around and was able to play essentially every game for 4-5 years after



Okay? What does Jose Reyes have to do with Kadarius Toney? Literally nothing.



I'm giving an example of an elite athlete being injured for 2 years because that somehow seems to be inconceivable to you



That's right. Because it's quite a stretch. One has nothing to do with the other. Forget play. Toney rarely ever practices.


What if he doesn't practice because he's injured?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Again Jose..  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15838628 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15838623 moze1021 said:


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In comment 15838618 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 15838616 moze1021 said:


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had hamstring issues for 2 years in his age 20 and 21 seasons

Then he completely turned it around and was able to play essentially every game for 4-5 years after



Okay? What does Jose Reyes have to do with Kadarius Toney? Literally nothing.



I'm giving an example of an elite athlete being injured for 2 years because that somehow seems to be inconceivable to you



That's right. Because it's quite a stretch. One has nothing to do with the other. Forget play. Toney rarely ever practices.



What if he doesn't practice because he's injured?


What if he doesn't practice because he doesn't have the right size cleats? Oh, he already used that excuse last year. Nevermind.

How can someone constantly be injured if they never play or practice? When is he getting injured exactly?

You'd think people would learn their lesson from being wrong time and time again over the past decade..
The Giants felt Toney could have played at the end of last season  
Snablats : 9/30/2022 9:36 am : link
and this spring Toney had to be shamed into showing up for OTAs

With reports the Giants shopped Toney after taking a WR in the draft that plays the exact same position

Then it comes out that the Giants felt Toney could have played the final preseason game
Again...  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:36 am : link
you're saying its a stretch, but I'm giving you a clear historical example of it happening to a guy who became a superstar and franchise legend once he figured it out
RE: Again...  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:37 am : link
In comment 15838632 moze1021 said:
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you're saying its a stretch, but I'm giving you a clear historical example of it happening to a guy who became a superstar and franchise legend once he figured it out


In a completely different sport. In a time period from 15 or so years ago.

Whoa. You really got us there.
Look going into the 2021 draft there was a huge red flag on Toney  
Rick in Dallas : 9/30/2022 9:38 am : link
As to his commitment to playing football. The question was is Toney’s priority football.
A lot of people thought that red flag was BS
It was not and we are now seeing this first hand.
Moze, for me it’s total disappointment in Toney not hatred.
RE: Look going into the 2021 draft there was a huge red flag on Toney  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:39 am : link
In comment 15838636 Rick in Dallas said:
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As to his commitment to playing football. The question was is Toney’s priority football.
A lot of people thought that red flag was BS
It was not and we are now seeing this first hand.
Moze, for me it’s total disappointment in Toney not hatred.


Then shame on Daboll for covering for him. Shame on the media for not calling him out.

The only place I hear or read negative comments on Toney is BBI and Twitter
Even if this is all real,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:42 am : link
Toney constantly being injured is still a huge problem because he is literally always injured. It's not like if this is true, it's a good thing for the team. Either way, the team is fucked.

The fact that there were questions about his commitment coming out of college is a huge red flag, too. He was terrible pick. There is no way around it.
And there are still people out there..  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:42 am : link
who think Odell was a bad teammate, bad in the locker room and wasn't committed to football/winning...

So forgive me if I get skeptical of the motives/driving forces for the hate/disappointment
Toney isn't a pimple on Beckham's ass in any aspect.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:43 am : link
To compare the two is an insult to Beckham. All of this hand-wringing over one good game that Toney had a full year ago.

Terrible pick.
RE: Even if this is all real,  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:43 am : link
In comment 15838641 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Toney constantly being injured is still a huge problem because he is literally always injured. It's not like if this is true, it's a good thing for the team. Either way, the team is fucked.


I agree with this. But then it's compassion for the athlete vs vitriol.
I have to say, the amount of love  
Section331 : 9/30/2022 9:44 am : link
some on BBI give to a guy who has played one good half of football in 1 1/4 seasons is baffling. I get being wowed with Toney's talent, but at some point, he needs to be on the field.

And I'm empathetic to speed guys who struggle to keep their legs healthy, but that is only part of the story with KT. He blows off OTA's with a new coaching staff and offensive system, misses practice for not having his shoes. There is nothing that I have seen that tells me football is a priority. And I was one who defended KT when posters used his rap career as a talking point about his lack of dedication to football.
RE: RE: Even if this is all real,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15838645 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15838641 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Toney constantly being injured is still a huge problem because he is literally always injured. It's not like if this is true, it's a good thing for the team. Either way, the team is fucked.



I agree with this. But then it's compassion for the athlete vs vitriol.


I have no compassion for a guy who doesn't give a fuck about playing football or the team he's supposed to be a part of. You're allowed to be as gullible as you wish and that's fine. But no one's going to go along with it when it's quite easy to see who this guy really is.
RE: I have to say, the amount of love  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/30/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15838647 Section331 said:
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some on BBI give to a guy who has played one good half of football in 1 1/4 seasons is baffling. I get being wowed with Toney's talent, but at some point, he needs to be on the field.

And I'm empathetic to speed guys who struggle to keep their legs healthy, but that is only part of the story with KT. He blows off OTA's with a new coaching staff and offensive system, misses practice for not having his shoes. There is nothing that I have seen that tells me football is a priority. And I was one who defended KT when posters used his rap career as a talking point about his lack of dedication to football.


Amazing, isn't it? I have compassion for guys like Tua who clearly WANTS to play as much as possible and help his team win.

To me, there is a CLEAR difference between the two mindsets of players/people like Tua and Toney. Give me Tua over a guy like Toney everyday of the week. Not only as a player, but as someone who's passionate about playing and helping his team win. Toney doesn't have one ounce of that in him.
RE: RE: RE: Even if this is all real,  
moze1021 : 9/30/2022 9:48 am : link
In comment 15838650 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15838641 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Toney constantly being injured is still a huge problem because he is literally always injured. It's not like if this is true, it's a good thing for the team. Either way, the team is fucked.



I agree with this. But then it's compassion for the athlete vs vitriol.



I have no compassion for a guy who doesn't give a fuck about playing football or the team he's supposed to be a part of. You're allowed to be as gullible as you wish and that's fine. But no one's going to go along with it when it's quite easy to see who this guy really is.



I simply don't know for a fact that he doesn't care. No one besides BBI observers have said it.
His mid-section  
SomeFan : 9/30/2022 9:49 am : link
looks a little marshmallowy. I hope he becomes a force. Some of these highly rated pass rushers drafted high have not lived up to the hype recently.
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