My DJ take

I think that is similar to what a lot of us feel. It seems like if we can go 9-8 with this roster and DJ and no cap space then we might be reasonable to expect 11-6 with DJ and another year of rebuild. That gets you in the hunt and is a lot more fun to watch.

you've said, but there are other mitigating circumstances. Despite many of the protestations around here, you can judge a QB even with a poor supporting cast. How quickly is he processing what he sees? How quickly does he get the ball out? How dos he do with defenders at his feet?

To my eye, Jones is lacking in the first 2, but has improved with the latter. He has shown great toughness, but you know who else showed great toughness? Joe Pisarcik. He had a crappy OL and crappy WR's, but I don't recall fans pining to keep him. No, Daniel is not as bad as Paterson Plank Joe was, but he hasn't shown to be good enough to warrant a 2nd contract.

Most busts at this position are OBVIOUS. They fail mentally, physically, emotionally, etc.

But he is such a freakin likeable guy, and obviously has physical and mental toughness, and definitely has some talent.

I want so badly for him to succeed, and I think someday he will. I think hes a perfect case of like a Ryan Tanehill who someday will land in the perfect spot and have a nice little career. But it's almost certainly not here

because we can't spend 30M per year on him if he can't elavate players around him!

The ideal if we can't improve the QB situation is to at least get a relief with Daniel Jones salary next year. At 15-20M per year for 2 years I'm ok with that. At 30M+ we will be very mad/sad next year at this time of the year.

We need to draft well (if we don't take a QB round 1, we need to draft a WR/TE)

Daniel (not a gamechanger) needs help. First don't take too much cap space, #2 we will get you help. #3 OL will gel sooner than later

we need to be intelligent in free agency next March... free agents may want to come here and they will now we have lots of cap space

I think by then the right decision will be obvious.

Who is going to offer him starter money? Not many teams and most of those teams will be in the market for a rookie starter so Jones sweet spot is as a backup with a chance to start and hold on to the position while the rookie QB falters or learns slowly. That would be the same position on the Giants and the Giants may wish to and be able to outbid others. $15 mill is too much for that role but $10-$15 mill may be right range. You can’t pay Taylor too. He needs to go.

that the Cowboys sent a DB in free off Thomas' side for an easy unabated sack. How many times do you think Jones saw that in training camp from Wink? But it appeared he still didn't recognize it pre snap and either change the play or the protection. That's the part of the game we'll never have access to. Maybe he did see it and someone missed an assignment? But it sure didn't look like it. Pre snap and post snap processing are elite skills. I'll leave it to the Giants FO and coaches to decide if they can win with Daniel Jones.

IMO KID was dealt a bad hand.

Had we swapped with Dallas' OL and WRs, would the QB performances have been any different?

In comment 15838997 Will Shine said:

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Had we swapped with Dallas' OL and WRs, would the QB performances have been any different?

If Jones had the Dallas OL and CeeDee Lamb Monday night, he would have thrown for 250+ and 2 TDs. I'm not the biggest Jones fan, but he performed pretty well for getting smacked around on every single play.

In comment 15838999 Pork Chop said:

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In comment 15838997 Will Shine said: Quote: Had we swapped with Dallas' OL and WRs, would the QB performances have been any different? If Jones had the Dallas OL and CeeDee Lamb Monday night, he would have thrown for 250+ and 2 TDs. I'm not the biggest Jones fan, but he performed pretty well for getting smacked around on every single play.

*** and not having NFL-caliber WRs

I agree he is borderline and for me it all comes down to timing. If he was in year 1 or 2 I would be all for keeping him and working with him and building around him. I do not believe he has had the talent around him to be successful.

However, you now have to pay him. Most winning teams are built first and then bring in a young QB on a rookie deal. We have the chance to do that now and I just think that is the smart way to go. Which is unfortunate for Jones.

That being said, unless he goes to a division rival, I would actively root for him to go find success in another spot in free agency. Just think he had some back timing here. He came in when they were depleted and it took way to long to admit they needed to tear it down. That is on Mara and Getty. He is just the victim of that bad timing.

What is the likely hood that we did not extend DJ's rookie deal so that we can resign him to a team friendly deal?

If he comes out of the season improved but still with some of the same question marks, who else is going to sign him? If we are not in the position to draft a franchise QB, we're stuck needing a free agent QB. Will there be any better free agent QBs available? I would imagine that the Ravens tag Jackson.

It seems like a potential safety net for both sides might be for DJ to sign a team friendly deal after the season.

That is what we get to see. The career has not been good enough so far. When the season is finished, lets consider the entire body of work. Let the chips fall. He can change my mind.

that is clear just watching him read defenses slowly and move awkwardly around the pocket.

he is serviceable as shown by him managing a game despite having the worst WR group in NFL history and a pass blocking situation (part a result of no WRs) that has been terrible.

the end result is you cannot give him a big contract- nothing he has shown warrants that- even if he wins games he is not a difference maker.

you re-up difference makers- serviceable is not that.

In comment 15838962 Ron Johnson said:

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I think by then the right decision will be obvious.

It feels like I feel that way every year

there are still a lot of holes on this team, and a long road to respectability.

Jones on a $20M/yr deal for 2-3 years while we build the OL, the WRs and the secondary doesn't seem like too bad a path.

In comment 15838983 arniefez said:

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that the Cowboys sent a DB in free off Thomas' side for an easy unabated sack. How many times do you think Jones saw that in training camp from Wink? But it appeared he still didn't recognize it pre snap and either change the play or the protection. That's the part of the game we'll never have access to. Maybe he did see it and someone missed an assignment? But it sure didn't look like it. Pre snap and post snap processing are elite skills. I'll leave it to the Giants FO and coaches to decide if they can win with Daniel Jones.

That’s where a guy like Eli excelled. He was a master at adjusting the play or alignment pre-snap. I also think it’s on the Center also and maybe Feliciano was at fault there too?! We just don’t know.

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you've said, but there are other mitigating circumstances. Despite many of the protestations around here, you can judge a QB even with a poor supporting cast. How quickly is he processing what he sees? How quickly does he get the ball out? How dos he do with defenders at his feet? To my eye, Jones is lacking in the first 2, but has improved with the latter. He has shown great toughness, but you know who else showed great toughness? Joe Pisarcik. He had a crappy OL and crappy WR's, but I don't recall fans pining to keep him. No, Daniel is not as bad as Paterson Plank Joe was, but he hasn't shown to be good enough to warrant a 2nd contract.

And as SY says "HE can do it! (though so far he hasn't done it consistently of course)"

As he said in the past game he pout this lats game in the positive bucket for Jones.

Yet you have many dunces on here won't give him credit for either point.

In comment 15839025 Jimmy the Saint said:

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I agree he is borderline and for me it all comes down to timing. If he was in year 1 or 2 I would be all for keeping him and working with him and building around him. I do not believe he has had the talent around him to be successful. However, you now have to pay him. Most winning teams are built first and then bring in a young QB on a rookie deal. We have the chance to do that now and I just think that is the smart way to go. Which is unfortunate for Jones. That being said, unless he goes to a division rival, I would actively root for him to go find success in another spot in free agency. Just think he had some back timing here. He came in when they were depleted and it took way to long to admit they needed to tear it down. That is on Mara and Getty. He is just the victim of that bad timing.

If he does well this year and you can't find thr QB and more than likely the Giants aren't going anywhere next year either- why not give him a 1 year Franchise Tag?