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The Bears will be without David Montgomery and Jaylon Johnson on Sunday vs. the Giants. Also, keep an eye on the status of kicker Cairo Santos, who has missed the last two days tending to a significant personal matter.
found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
Something that sticks in my head that you say in your review
'Will they be better at the end of the season than the beginning'. My first reaction is no, because football is a brutal sport and with a 'thinly' talented team a couple of injuries away from looking like a D II school I think its inevitable that the likes of DJ, SB, Thibs, Love, Adoree McKinney stay healthy and there for the team will regress. I am looking for progress which I think is your larger point, over this season. I'm thinking Neal will improve, Bellinger can grow, I'm hoping Wandale can make his way back and somehow Toney and Galloday find their way onto the field and into our hearts. I like the coaching staff so far and really have enjoyed the play calling and agressive defense, so they have that over the last couple of staffs. Here's to not using the QB sneak as 'defensive weapon' on offense.....
found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I don’t think you fully grasp how pathetic the Giants schedule is. Eric’s point had more to do with that than his opinion of this team. They’ve already got two wins with several bad teams still to come. No way they end up in the top 5
found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I don’t think you fully grasp how pathetic the Giants schedule is. Eric’s point had more to do with that than his opinion of this team. They’ve already got two wins with several bad teams still to come. No way they end up in the top 5
I think you're dead-on that Eric was thinking more about the remaining schedule than the state of the Giants football team. Hope I'm wrong, but I see zero easy games the rest of the way, including this Sunday against da Bears. Even the Lions have a legitimate offense. I only see three more wins: Washington, Texas and either the Bears or the Lions. I hope I'm wrong. Winning 8 or 9 games and picking in the middle of the pack would make me very happy and would mean that some things actually went right this season!
I'd like to use Barkley as a decoy at the beginning of the game and throw to Bellinger and Hudson to try and loosen up the defense. I'd also ove to get something from Slayton or Golladay, but that is unlikely. Sills is a JAG who can't separate much. Teams are just going to load up against Barkley and live with whatever Jones gets scrambling and the few short passes we complete. Everyone knows we don't have a deep threat.
On defense, I'm worried we'll be gashed again with Williams out. The Bears will also likely go after Robinson right away. KT and AO will hopefully provide some pass rush.
I agree we're likely to play a fair number of close games. Gano gives us a chance to at least get some points even though our offense can't move the ball very much. I don't expect us to find the end zone much this year.
Chicago is averaging 187 yards on the ground per game (2nd in the NFL) and 5.4 yards per carry (5th). Giants will need to slow that attack down and force Justin Fields to throw the ball.
Pretty much the wins will come from how well they stop the run and run the ball. Hard to see the offense moving via the pass with great efficiency. Spot on that Toney and Robinson are huge ? marks.
The week we see Jaylon Smith upgraded to the roster. Calitro has seen his snaps diminish, and feels like Wink isn't fully enamored with Crowder lately either.
Chicago is averaging 187 yards on the ground per game (2nd in the NFL) and 5.4 yards per carry (5th). Giants will need to slow that attack down and force Justin Fields to throw the ball.
Welp, since we have no edge rush defenders, it should be a long day
Chicago is averaging 187 yards on the ground per game (2nd in the NFL) and 5.4 yards per carry (5th). Giants will need to slow that attack down and force Justin Fields to throw the ball.
Welp, since we have no edge rush defenders, it should be a long day
That's simply not true. The Giants largely shut down the Titans. Jihad Ward is very good defending the edge. Thibodeaux and Ojulari are still working their way back. Even Ximines has been playing better this year.
The Giants had issues on the edge against Dallas for multiple reasons, but they were not structural.
really good preview - i was also interested to hear wink yesterday and
thought it was a little different than i expected his comments would be.
he made 1 comment about how it was the tale of 2 halves, but i think that was kind of misguided. the cowboys were 1 lamb drop and 1 holmes non-call from 2 TDs.
i completely agreed with his point about playing without any knockback and like you was surprised at the regression at the LOS from week 1 to now. They did ok against Carolina in between but the Cowboys physically manhandled the nyg on both LOS monday night and i dont think that should have been so glaringly the case.
it definitely should not be the case vs. chicago.
RE: really good preview - i was also interested to hear wink yesterday and
thought it was a little different than i expected his comments would be.
he made 1 comment about how it was the tale of 2 halves, but i think that was kind of misguided. the cowboys were 1 lamb drop and 1 holmes non-call from 2 TDs.
i completely agreed with his point about playing without any knockback and like you was surprised at the regression at the LOS from week 1 to now. They did ok against Carolina in between but the Cowboys physically manhandled the nyg on both LOS monday night and i dont think that should have been so glaringly the case.
it definitely should not be the case vs. chicago.
Based on his demeanor in the presser as well as what Drew Wilkins said today (see the video on the front page), it's becoming clearer that Wink doesn't harp on the negative, but tries to stay positive and correct what is wrong.
I expected him to be much more negative. I don't think we're going to get that out of him, even if he feels that way.
Yes he will drop passes, but so does Golladay. At least Slayton can stretch the defense which helps the underneath routes.
Could Ward be used as a middle linebacker? He would give us size and toughness in the middle especially against a running team. Just a thought. Especially if OJ and KT are going to play the edge position more.
A healthy Nick Gates makes our o line much better. Adds alot of attitude to the line. Hoping he is ready soon.
is that its performance is predicated on the offense doing its fair share of the heavy lifting in the form of holding onto the ball, running the clock, moving the chains and scoring, at least on occasion.
But if this offense reverts back to the misery of the past four years, it doesn't matter if Wink Martindale can get his defense to do a pirouette in a pink tutu... his players will get blown, they will run out of gas, and eventually collapse.
It's a synergy game, and if this toothless offense doesn't get its act together, it will drag the defense under with it, and the number of losses will reach double-digits.
and 2 corners. Love and McKinney are great run defenders, can play both near the LOS, and when the Bears go 3 wide, either can cover the slot (knowing most plays will be a run). An option only because the Bears passing game is so weak.
is that its performance is predicated on the offense doing its fair share of the heavy lifting in the form of holding onto the ball, running the clock, moving the chains and scoring, at least on occasion.
But if this offense reverts back to the misery of the past four years, it doesn't matter if Wink Martindale can get his defense to do a pirouette in a pink tutu... his players will get blown, they will run out of gas, and eventually collapse.
It's a synergy game, and if this toothless offense doesn't get its act together, it will drag the defense under with it, and the number of losses will reach double-digits.
You really need to take a deep breath and realize who and what the Giants are right now.
Yes he will drop passes, but so does Golladay. At least Slayton can stretch the defense which helps the underneath routes.
Could Ward be used as a middle linebacker? He would give us size and toughness in the middle especially against a running team. Just a thought. Especially if OJ and KT are going to play the edge position more.
A healthy Nick Gates makes our o line much better. Adds alot of attitude to the line. Hoping he is ready soon.
I thought about this with Ward on run plays, use him and Smith on run plays and then on pass plays you can move ward to the line standing up and he can rush..
but i dont know how feasible it is with Ward, you would think the Besrs would try to attack him in pass game but Bears might be the team you can do this against
are Eric's game preview and anything written by Sy. Having said that, this particular preview is bloody brilliant! If you want a succinct and accurate summary of the reality of the Giants in 2022 this it. Kudos Eric.
RE: RE: really good preview - i was also interested to hear wink yesterday and
Based on his demeanor in the presser as well as what Drew Wilkins said today (see the video on the front page), it's becoming clearer that Wink doesn't harp on the negative, but tries to stay positive and correct what is wrong.
I expected him to be much more negative. I don't think we're going to get that out of him, even if he feels that way.
i'm not sure i was expecting him to be negative as much as i wasn't expecting any excuses. i thought the 'tale of 2 halves' comment in particular wasn't really true. kellen moore was dictating exactly what he wanted all game, his players just executed better in the 2nd half (specifically ceedee lamb).
so as much as i expect he is probably 100% right that players didn't execute correctly and they didn't play physical enough, i think i was expecting him to also own a little bit that they just got out coached. dallas came in with a plan and executed it from the first series of the game to their last. they not only kept rush comfortable and protected but schemed up a bunch of easy/open shots down field.
i dont think they are going to be negative or rip a guy in the media, but i think they have no problem benching a guy if the guy behind them is playing better or the player is not giving his all..
I feel confident they will put the player out there that will help them win regardless of their pay
I agree that first and foremost, if anyone comes sniffing around for Barkley before the deadline, the Guanta have to very seriously consider it. I love Barkley, but re-signing him seems a mistake, regardless of how he looks this season.
As for fans and the start of the season, I disagree. The first 2 games rightly change outlooks. Does it mean they are a contender? Absolutely not. But, 2-0, regardless of how you got there, is reason for optimism. They have a favorable schedule and 4-0, based on opponents, was a realistic outcome. Even if they win this one, 3-1 would be significant.
The problem is they could realistically flirt with 7-9 wins just based on schedule with their coaching and anticipated improvement. Why is that a problem? Because that screw us fornthe draft. But fans perception of the record vs. draft is and should be very different from the organization's. The team should approach every week to play hard and win abd every season should start with playoffs as a goal, even if rebuilding. That is how the league is constructed now. They are no longer mutually eexclusive. Our biggest issue is for the last several years, we weren't set up to make competitive play or a rebuild a successful goal.
Now, I feel, we can do both. That brings us back to point #1. Trading Barkley, or anyone else who draws interest, should be a real consideration. We need as many picks as possible, either for actual picks or as a means to move up.
Jones is no different. I think he is somewhat improved, but nowhere near where a QB needs to be after 4 years as the #6 pick to invest in the future. Even the tag is a bad idea. It is over $30M guaranteed for another show me year. That is not a luxury we can afford as we try to continue improving the entire roster. Again, I think he is improved and can be decent. I just don't see any way he shows enough to warrant any consideration for the future. We just don't have the luxury of the cap space for a QB whonis not elite. That's what it boils down to. It doesn't matter if we think he can be good enough to win in this league. What matters is that we have a lot of roster to still re-tool, which means we can't dedicate that much cap space to a non-elite player.
found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
Seems like the loss is weighing more heavily on your evaluation than the two wins
Also it is possible that sometime during the season Toney and Robinson become playmakers as is the possibility that the offensive line continues to grow and the defense continues to improve as Thibs becomes a factor.
Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on the last win or loss.
Tomorrow’s game is pretty huge in determining the direction this season might take
found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I don’t think you fully grasp how pathetic the Giants schedule is. Eric’s point had more to do with that than his opinion of this team. They’ve already got two wins with several bad teams still to come. No way they end up in the top 5
I think you're dead-on that Eric was thinking more about the remaining schedule than the state of the Giants football team. Hope I'm wrong, but I see zero easy games the rest of the way, including this Sunday against da Bears. Even the Lions have a legitimate offense. I only see three more wins: Washington, Texas and either the Bears or the Lions. I hope I'm wrong. Winning 8 or 9 games and picking in the middle of the pack would make me very happy and would mean that some things actually went right this season!
Bad idea to look at a schedule and predict wins and losses. Every game is winnable and every game is a potential loss.
found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
Seems like the loss is weighing more heavily on your evaluation than the two wins
Also it is possible that sometime during the season Toney and Robinson become playmakers as is the possibility that the offensive line continues to grow and the defense continues to improve as Thibs becomes a factor.
Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on the last win or loss.
Tomorrow’s game is pretty huge in determining the direction this season might take
You make several good points and I hope they all break in the direction of the Giants!
It is true the Dallas game has been weighing on me, as well as the offensive line's performance against Carolina (not to mention their debacle performance against Dallas.) The O-line is coloring my view of this team right now. If it's an open gate to the QB... oh, boy! That spreads not only to the offense but the defense as well.
In any event, as you said... the Bears game should give us some more information on the Giants going forward!
This is a big game in determining what the season may look like. Getting the third win of the season would be huge in hopefully hanging around all season. A loss here and staring down Green Bay and things could spiral.
It's a synergy game, and if this toothless offense doesn't get its act together, it will drag the defense under with it, and the number of losses will reach double-digits.
This is not a good team, the offense will not get its act together because it doesn't have the talent to take on teams like Dallas. Any wins are gravy and a positive sign for the coaching staff. It's going to take a couple years of hitting on draft picks and savvy FA moves to get this team back into actual contention.
Dan Wiederer
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The Bears will be without David Montgomery and Jaylon Johnson on Sunday vs. the Giants. Also, keep an eye on the status of kicker Cairo Santos, who has missed the last two days tending to a significant personal matter.
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I don’t think you fully grasp how pathetic the Giants schedule is. Eric’s point had more to do with that than his opinion of this team. They’ve already got two wins with several bad teams still to come. No way they end up in the top 5
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found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I don’t think you fully grasp how pathetic the Giants schedule is. Eric’s point had more to do with that than his opinion of this team. They’ve already got two wins with several bad teams still to come. No way they end up in the top 5
I think you're dead-on that Eric was thinking more about the remaining schedule than the state of the Giants football team. Hope I'm wrong, but I see zero easy games the rest of the way, including this Sunday against da Bears. Even the Lions have a legitimate offense. I only see three more wins: Washington, Texas and either the Bears or the Lions. I hope I'm wrong. Winning 8 or 9 games and picking in the middle of the pack would make me very happy and would mean that some things actually went right this season!
I'd like to use Barkley as a decoy at the beginning of the game and throw to Bellinger and Hudson to try and loosen up the defense. I'd also ove to get something from Slayton or Golladay, but that is unlikely. Sills is a JAG who can't separate much. Teams are just going to load up against Barkley and live with whatever Jones gets scrambling and the few short passes we complete. Everyone knows we don't have a deep threat.
On defense, I'm worried we'll be gashed again with Williams out. The Bears will also likely go after Robinson right away. KT and AO will hopefully provide some pass rush.
I agree we're likely to play a fair number of close games. Gano gives us a chance to at least get some points even though our offense can't move the ball very much. I don't expect us to find the end zone much this year.
Chicago is averaging 187 yards on the ground per game (2nd in the NFL) and 5.4 yards per carry (5th). Giants will need to slow that attack down and force Justin Fields to throw the ball.
Chicago is averaging 187 yards on the ground per game (2nd in the NFL) and 5.4 yards per carry (5th). Giants will need to slow that attack down and force Justin Fields to throw the ball.
Welp, since we have no edge rush defenders, it should be a long day
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Chicago is averaging 187 yards on the ground per game (2nd in the NFL) and 5.4 yards per carry (5th). Giants will need to slow that attack down and force Justin Fields to throw the ball.
Welp, since we have no edge rush defenders, it should be a long day
That's simply not true. The Giants largely shut down the Titans. Jihad Ward is very good defending the edge. Thibodeaux and Ojulari are still working their way back. Even Ximines has been playing better this year.
The Giants had issues on the edge against Dallas for multiple reasons, but they were not structural.
he made 1 comment about how it was the tale of 2 halves, but i think that was kind of misguided. the cowboys were 1 lamb drop and 1 holmes non-call from 2 TDs.
i completely agreed with his point about playing without any knockback and like you was surprised at the regression at the LOS from week 1 to now. They did ok against Carolina in between but the Cowboys physically manhandled the nyg on both LOS monday night and i dont think that should have been so glaringly the case.
it definitely should not be the case vs. chicago.
he made 1 comment about how it was the tale of 2 halves, but i think that was kind of misguided. the cowboys were 1 lamb drop and 1 holmes non-call from 2 TDs.
i completely agreed with his point about playing without any knockback and like you was surprised at the regression at the LOS from week 1 to now. They did ok against Carolina in between but the Cowboys physically manhandled the nyg on both LOS monday night and i dont think that should have been so glaringly the case.
it definitely should not be the case vs. chicago.
Based on his demeanor in the presser as well as what Drew Wilkins said today (see the video on the front page), it's becoming clearer that Wink doesn't harp on the negative, but tries to stay positive and correct what is wrong.
I expected him to be much more negative. I don't think we're going to get that out of him, even if he feels that way.
Could Ward be used as a middle linebacker? He would give us size and toughness in the middle especially against a running team. Just a thought. Especially if OJ and KT are going to play the edge position more.
A healthy Nick Gates makes our o line much better. Adds alot of attitude to the line. Hoping he is ready soon.
is that its performance is predicated on the offense doing its fair share of the heavy lifting in the form of holding onto the ball, running the clock, moving the chains and scoring, at least on occasion.
But if this offense reverts back to the misery of the past four years, it doesn't matter if Wink Martindale can get his defense to do a pirouette in a pink tutu... his players will get blown, they will run out of gas, and eventually collapse.
It's a synergy game, and if this toothless offense doesn't get its act together, it will drag the defense under with it, and the number of losses will reach double-digits.
is that its performance is predicated on the offense doing its fair share of the heavy lifting in the form of holding onto the ball, running the clock, moving the chains and scoring, at least on occasion.
But if this offense reverts back to the misery of the past four years, it doesn't matter if Wink Martindale can get his defense to do a pirouette in a pink tutu... his players will get blown, they will run out of gas, and eventually collapse.
It's a synergy game, and if this toothless offense doesn't get its act together, it will drag the defense under with it, and the number of losses will reach double-digits.
You really need to take a deep breath and realize who and what the Giants are right now.
Could Ward be used as a middle linebacker? He would give us size and toughness in the middle especially against a running team. Just a thought. Especially if OJ and KT are going to play the edge position more.
A healthy Nick Gates makes our o line much better. Adds alot of attitude to the line. Hoping he is ready soon.
I thought about this with Ward on run plays, use him and Smith on run plays and then on pass plays you can move ward to the line standing up and he can rush..
but i dont know how feasible it is with Ward, you would think the Besrs would try to attack him in pass game but Bears might be the team you can do this against
Based on his demeanor in the presser as well as what Drew Wilkins said today (see the video on the front page), it's becoming clearer that Wink doesn't harp on the negative, but tries to stay positive and correct what is wrong.
I expected him to be much more negative. I don't think we're going to get that out of him, even if he feels that way.
i'm not sure i was expecting him to be negative as much as i wasn't expecting any excuses. i thought the 'tale of 2 halves' comment in particular wasn't really true. kellen moore was dictating exactly what he wanted all game, his players just executed better in the 2nd half (specifically ceedee lamb).
so as much as i expect he is probably 100% right that players didn't execute correctly and they didn't play physical enough, i think i was expecting him to also own a little bit that they just got out coached. dallas came in with a plan and executed it from the first series of the game to their last. they not only kept rush comfortable and protected but schemed up a bunch of easy/open shots down field.
I feel confident they will put the player out there that will help them win regardless of their pay
As for fans and the start of the season, I disagree. The first 2 games rightly change outlooks. Does it mean they are a contender? Absolutely not. But, 2-0, regardless of how you got there, is reason for optimism. They have a favorable schedule and 4-0, based on opponents, was a realistic outcome. Even if they win this one, 3-1 would be significant.
The problem is they could realistically flirt with 7-9 wins just based on schedule with their coaching and anticipated improvement. Why is that a problem? Because that screw us fornthe draft. But fans perception of the record vs. draft is and should be very different from the organization's. The team should approach every week to play hard and win abd every season should start with playoffs as a goal, even if rebuilding. That is how the league is constructed now. They are no longer mutually eexclusive. Our biggest issue is for the last several years, we weren't set up to make competitive play or a rebuild a successful goal.
Now, I feel, we can do both. That brings us back to point #1. Trading Barkley, or anyone else who draws interest, should be a real consideration. We need as many picks as possible, either for actual picks or as a means to move up.
Jones is no different. I think he is somewhat improved, but nowhere near where a QB needs to be after 4 years as the #6 pick to invest in the future. Even the tag is a bad idea. It is over $30M guaranteed for another show me year. That is not a luxury we can afford as we try to continue improving the entire roster. Again, I think he is improved and can be decent. I just don't see any way he shows enough to warrant any consideration for the future. We just don't have the luxury of the cap space for a QB whonis not elite. That's what it boils down to. It doesn't matter if we think he can be good enough to win in this league. What matters is that we have a lot of roster to still re-tool, which means we can't dedicate that much cap space to a non-elite player.
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
Seems like the loss is weighing more heavily on your evaluation than the two wins
Also it is possible that sometime during the season Toney and Robinson become playmakers as is the possibility that the offensive line continues to grow and the defense continues to improve as Thibs becomes a factor.
Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on the last win or loss.
Tomorrow’s game is pretty huge in determining the direction this season might take
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found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
I don’t think you fully grasp how pathetic the Giants schedule is. Eric’s point had more to do with that than his opinion of this team. They’ve already got two wins with several bad teams still to come. No way they end up in the top 5
I think you're dead-on that Eric was thinking more about the remaining schedule than the state of the Giants football team. Hope I'm wrong, but I see zero easy games the rest of the way, including this Sunday against da Bears. Even the Lions have a legitimate offense. I only see three more wins: Washington, Texas and either the Bears or the Lions. I hope I'm wrong. Winning 8 or 9 games and picking in the middle of the pack would make me very happy and would mean that some things actually went right this season!
Bad idea to look at a schedule and predict wins and losses. Every game is winnable and every game is a potential loss.
1. No one knows what Schoen and Daboll think about Jones
2. Toney and Robinson could become playmakers-
Just two examples of a preview laden with common sense
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found myself agreeing with just about everything. The only (trivial) thing I take issue with is the following statement: "Also keep in mind that the Giants likely won’t be picking in the top 10 in the 2023 NFL Draft..."
I see the Giants comfortably ensconced in the Top 10 in Round One of the 2023 Draft. Could be as high as #5. There are no wide receivers, no pass blocking, no passing game, and opposing defenses that have only one concern: Saquon Barkley. As for the defense, they played well against the Titans, OK against the Panthers and horrid against the Cowboys with a banged-up O-Line and a back-up QB. In short, where is this unit headed? No one really knows, but if the Dallas game is indicative of the direction, then Giants are a Top 5 pick.
Seems like the loss is weighing more heavily on your evaluation than the two wins
Also it is possible that sometime during the season Toney and Robinson become playmakers as is the possibility that the offensive line continues to grow and the defense continues to improve as Thibs becomes a factor.
Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on the last win or loss.
Tomorrow’s game is pretty huge in determining the direction this season might take
You make several good points and I hope they all break in the direction of the Giants!
It is true the Dallas game has been weighing on me, as well as the offensive line's performance against Carolina (not to mention their debacle performance against Dallas.) The O-line is coloring my view of this team right now. If it's an open gate to the QB... oh, boy! That spreads not only to the offense but the defense as well.
In any event, as you said... the Bears game should give us some more information on the Giants going forward!
It's a synergy game, and if this toothless offense doesn't get its act together, it will drag the defense under with it, and the number of losses will reach double-digits.
This is not a good team, the offense will not get its act together because it doesn't have the talent to take on teams like Dallas. Any wins are gravy and a positive sign for the coaching staff. It's going to take a couple years of hitting on draft picks and savvy FA moves to get this team back into actual contention.