NFT: Mets at Braves Game 2 (of the Season) - Mad Max edition

In comment 15840247 spike said:

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Cohen will add some actual bats for next season. Dump McCann.

We really needed Contreras.

Mets needed 5 runs to win this game, back in the first inning. The Braves lineup is just too good, no matter who is pitching.

The offensive woes can't continue in the playoffs or thos will be a short-lived season.

All that said, no matter what happens tonight, I like Bassitt tomorrow and how he matches up.

Hopefully we get the A+ version.

We lose tonight and tomorrow is must win, obviously.

In comment 15840248 Eric on Li said:
[quote] and the bottom of the order.

Mcneil,
Escobar,
DH (guillorme?),
Canha,
Naquin
Catcher (vientos?)

Eric, I remember how much you wanted Schwarber. I remember threads of yours where you were exhorting the signing of Schwarber.
You were right, of course.

Need at least 3-4 runs a game to get a win. The pitchers arent going to throw a shutout every game.

if they can at least get a threat going this inning they can turn the lineup over to get nimmo, alonso, lindor back up again.

In comment 15840256 spike said:

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Need at least 3-4 runs a game to get a win. The pitchers arent going to throw a shutout every game.

+1. Especially against a team like Atlanta, thathits so well.

In comment 15840247 spike said:

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Cohen will add some actual bats for next season. Dump McCann.

They need a DH bat, but they REALLY need help in the pen.

Except for Otto and Diaz, they all suck. Yes, that includes Lugo.

out of there. He s swinging at every thing

but no, it was better to make Megill a reliever, something he has never done

So many idiotic decisions

Every pen guy ATL sends out has ridiculous stats.

Our pen guys also have ridiculous stats, but most are the bad kind.

down the center of the plate to our HR hitters. Our pitchers…not so much.

We know exactly who their HR threats are. And our elite pitchers came up short. That is the difference in these two game. Plain and simple.

No lefty bullpen help and shitty DH help

Anyone could have told you what the weakness of the team was and he decided to address it by going bargain shopping and trying to stick starters into reliever roles.

AFTER telling everyone the relief market is robust and he's confident he can get what they need.

Incompetent disaster by him.

In comment 15840264 spike said:

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out of there. He s swinging at every thing

Not bringing up Alvwrez before yesterday- and also not bringing up vientos earlier - was so fucking idiotic.

Of course Alvwrez failed - he’s fucking 20 years old in the biggest series of the season. https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=4&thread=626282&comment=15840264

And now Peterson’s in. He’ll be good for a walk and a hit. And probably a run or two.

In comment 15840269 larryflower37 said:

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No lefty bullpen help and shitty DH help

+1, Larry. Totally agree

His defense is still the worst on the team. And his lack of range is also a big reason we are down in this game.

Enough already with McCann and Nido.

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In comment 15840270 moespree said:

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Anyone could have told you what the weakness of the team was and he decided to address it by going bargain shopping and trying to stick starters into reliever roles. AFTER telling everyone the relief market is robust and he's confident he can get what they need. Incompetent disaster by him.

+1 Moe. My understanding, at that time, was that he was reluctant to spend big because of what happened with Javier Baez. That was what I read at the time.

Hitters have not had many hits and when they do get a rally going, it does not go far.

The two aces gave 5 HRs between them. They were not awful but just OK. But with the offense doing little, Mets needed Jake or Max to step up and throw 7 innings of shutout ball. Neither one did.

No deadline trade would have made a difference. Team has just been outplayed so far in all phases.

But season isn't over. Let's see how it turns out

I don't believe the pen has been the primary bugaboo.

At this point back the Brinks truck up for Judge. If that doesn't work, Arenado.

Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months

And win tomorrow?

Yeah, me neither.

because it was Alderson calling the shots, giving the interviews, telling everyone that they wouldnt give up top prospects because of his awful Baez trade last year

In comment 15840278 allstarjim said:

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I don't believe the pen has been the primary bugaboo. At this point back the Brinks truck up for Judge. If that doesn't work, Arenado.

Judge and Alonso in the same lineup would be like Ruth and Gehrig, it would be like something from heaven.

In comment 15840279 MetsAreBack said:

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Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months

Their “aces” giving up 7 runs in less than 12 innings hasn’t been helpful.

Judge.

Good lord…the team that overpays to sign Judge will NEVER replicate the season he is having right now. Not even close. Huge pass.

hopefully he is tired from yesterday's outing

In comment 15840279 MetsAreBack said:

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Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months

Disagree

We knew this series was going to be heavy on elite pitching. The Braves pitching stepped up. The Mets pitching gives up HRs like they are candy.

Our elite pitchers fell short. That’s the story.

they just had a rare chance to be a championship level team and they appear to have let it pass them by.

put iglesias or robertson in the mets pen, or schwarber's 42 homers behind alonso instead of our DH's 9(?), or a young breakout like harris instead of mismanaging their own guys, and it's a totally different situation.

jdg and scherzer didn't pitch their best and that sucks but short of complete game shutouts or 8 innings of no run ball to handoff to diaz they needed the offense to show up for more than 1 run. and they didnt.

In comment 15840284 CooperDash said:

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Judge. Good lord…the team that overpays to sign Judge will NEVER replicate the season he is having right now. Not even close. Huge pass.

They don’t need a replication. But 40 HR 110 RBI, 400 OBP would be pretty sweet for this team.

In comment 15840277 Vanzetti said:

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Hitters have not had many hits and when they do get a rally going, it does not go far. The two aces gave 5 HRs between them. They were not awful but just OK. But with the offense doing little, Mets needed Jake or Max to step up and throw 7 innings of shutout ball. Neither one did. No deadline trade would have made a difference. Team has just been outplayed so far in all phases. But season isn't over. Let's see how it turns out

Not that I disagree but hasn't the offense been kind of meh since the All Star break?

I haven't looked at any data but just from casual observation.

I don't know. What's going to save this team is Alvarez, Baty, Vientos. If two of those players become plus plus, all is well.

But paying deGrom has to be a priority.

Unless they get significant help offensively, they could fall off a cliff next year bc the free agent SP market is no bueno.

Against quality starters and RPs You're not going to accomplish anything.

But that isn't why the Mets are in a mess. They're in a mess because they could not overcome those deficits against bad teams.

Mark Simon
@MarkASimonSays
Braves relievers are 11/11 on first-pitch strikes through Canha AB

In comment 15840286 CooperDash said:

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In comment 15840279 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months Disagree We knew this series was going to be heavy on elite pitching. The Braves pitching stepped up. The Mets pitching gives up HRs like they are candy. Our elite pitchers fell short. That’s the story.

4 runs in two games...the same two critical games you're talking about, says otherwise.

for 2 nights

In comment 15840287 Eric on Li said:

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they just had a rare chance to be a championship level team and they appear to have let it pass them by. put iglesias or robertson in the mets pen, or schwarber's 42 homers behind alonso instead of our DH's 9(?), or a young breakout like harris instead of mismanaging their own guys, and it's a totally different situation. jdg and scherzer didn't pitch their best and that sucks but short of complete game shutouts or 8 innings of no run ball to handoff to diaz they needed the offense to show up for more than 1 run. and they didnt.

+1 Totally agree. That's exactly what I think. Put Schwarber's 42 HR's behind Alonso, and they might not have gotten swept in Chicago. Put Contreras in the lineup, and this series with Atlanta might be meaningless.

In comment 15840295 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15840286 CooperDash said: Quote: In comment 15840279 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months Disagree We knew this series was going to be heavy on elite pitching. The Braves pitching stepped up. The Mets pitching gives up HRs like they are candy. Our elite pitchers fell short. That’s the story. 4 runs in two games...the same two critical games you're talking about, says otherwise.

Again - our “aces gave up 3 and 4 runs in less than 12 innings.

That’s not exactly elite pitching. Expecially what those two are being paid.

In comment 15840285 spike said:

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hopefully he is tired from yesterday's outing

He probably wont be available tomorrow

Must-win tomorrow.

In comment 15840288 speedywheels said:

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In comment 15840284 CooperDash said: Quote: Judge. Good lord…the team that overpays to sign Judge will NEVER replicate the season he is having right now. Not even close. Huge pass. They don’t need a replication. But 40 HR 110 RBI, 400 OBP would be pretty sweet for this team.

What leads you to believe that Judge will lead to that production? He’ll be 31 years old, not in Yankee stadium, and fresh off a monster contract. He’s just as likely to hit 25 HRs, 70 RBIs, .270 BA and strikeout 200 times. You good with tying up $40 million per year on that?

This is likely what his next team is getting.

pathetic

In order to finish 1st? I understand we have the tie breaker with Atlanta.

In comment 15840298 speedywheels said:

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In comment 15840295 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 15840286 CooperDash said: Quote: In comment 15840279 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months Disagree We knew this series was going to be heavy on elite pitching. The Braves pitching stepped up. The Mets pitching gives up HRs like they are candy. Our elite pitchers fell short. That’s the story. 4 runs in two games...the same two critical games you're talking about, says otherwise. Again - our “aces gave up 3 and 4 runs in less than 12 innings. That’s not exactly elite pitching. Expecially what those two are being paid.

Honestly what they are getti g paid is meaningless.

The Braves have good pitching, too. The difference is they crush the ball and we don't.

The offense has no-showed in ATL again.

In comment 15840304 Dennis said:

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In order to finish 1st? I understand we have the tie breaker with Atlanta.

yes because ATL will sweep miami

when you are close. i know it's painful to give up prospects but what's more painful is flushing a great season because you are 1 bat short.

In comment 15840306 spike said:

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In comment 15840304 Dennis said: Quote: In order to finish 1st? I understand we have the tie breaker with Atlanta. yes because ATL will sweep miami

Thanks, Spike

In comment 15840305 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15840298 speedywheels said: Quote: In comment 15840295 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 15840286 CooperDash said: Quote: In comment 15840279 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Not nearly good enough. Hasn’t been in two months Disagree We knew this series was going to be heavy on elite pitching. The Braves pitching stepped up. The Mets pitching gives up HRs like they are candy. Our elite pitchers fell short. That’s the story. 4 runs in two games...the same two critical games you're talking about, says otherwise. Again - our “aces gave up 3 and 4 runs in less than 12 innings. That’s not exactly elite pitching. Expecially what those two are being paid. Honestly what they are getti g paid is meaningless. The Braves have good pitching, too. The difference is they crush the ball and we don't. The offense has no-showed in ATL again.

We can crush the ball too. But their pitchers didn’t serve up meatballs to our HR hitters like ours did. Over and over again.

This series was about pitching and ours fell short.

Were a big bat and relief help. Eppler got Vogelbach Ruf, Naquin, and Givens. You're not winning a thing with players like that.

And this nonsense that he tried to spin of, oh well Ruf and Naquin will hit better with us because we'll utilize them the correct way. Is just that. Nonsense.

And if all that wasn't bad enough he traded Davis and 3 prospects for Ruf who has an OPS+ of 20 with the Mets. lol a 4 for 1 Darin Ruf trade.

They are supposed to win these games or at minimum get you to the 7 or 8 inning with a chance.
Both got straight up shelled.