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NFT: ROAST ME....I want DJ as our QB going forward

rnargi : 10/2/2022 3:54 pm
...there....i said it.
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I respect a lot of your opinions, especially you, Susan  
Anakim : 10/2/2022 4:53 pm : link
I mean Rob. But I'm not sure how you can come away thinking DJ is the answer going forward. DJ is winning with his legs, not his arm. We need a franchise QB, not a Taysom-Hill type of gadget player. I think it's pretty evident since he's been drafted that while DJ can beat you with his legs, he can't beat you with his arm.


We need a franchise QB. A real one.
Again, who do you replace him with?  
Red Dog : 10/2/2022 5:00 pm : link
I'm in the keep Jones camp partly because I think he can play at a high level IF he has a decent supporting cast, which he still doesn't have (WRs? none. OL? a work in progress. etc.) and partly because there simply isn't any actually viable replacement on the horizon at this point.

Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.

And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.

Franchise Jones and see what happens.
I will also say, i woukd not FT him  
rnargi : 10/2/2022 5:05 pm : link
For me, it's a bridge deal or let him go and start over once again. I like him. I think he has serious talent and is in a no win situation. Some say he can't carry a team. No one can carry the WR corps out there today. I would say he did carry them on his legs today. Sustainable? Doubtful. But under the circumstances, he won the game. And was a big reason why. IMHO.
There are 2nd and 3rd Round selections  
cosmicj : 10/2/2022 5:08 pm : link
Every year with a lot more upside than Jones. I’d rather roll with one of those and a vet backup than waste more time with Jones.
It's not going to be difficult to replace the 26th best starting QB  
Lambuth_Special : 10/2/2022 5:08 pm : link
For the love of god stop overthinking this.
RE: Again, who do you replace him with?  
Lambuth_Special : 10/2/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15842302 Red Dog said:
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I'm in the keep Jones camp partly because I think he can play at a high level IF he has a decent supporting cast, which he still doesn't have (WRs? none. OL? a work in progress. etc.) and partly because there simply isn't any actually viable replacement on the horizon at this point.

Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.

And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.

Franchise Jones and see what happens.


Building up the roster is exactly the reason you shouldn't franchise Jones and commit $30 million. His production can be replaced by Marriota/Brissett tier QBs and that's assuming there are no rookies worth taking.
RE: Again, who do you replace him with?  
TJ : 10/2/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15842302 Red Dog said:
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I'm in the keep Jones camp partly because I think he can play at a high level IF he has a decent supporting cast, which he still doesn't have (WRs? none. OL? a work in progress. etc.) and partly because there simply isn't any actually viable replacement on the horizon at this point.

Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.

And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.

Franchise Jones and see what happens.


Getting rid of a player usually means replacing him with someone better. The cultish inststence that Jones is the worst qb in NFL history and can therefore be replaced by anyone who has ever picked up a football is part of the Jones hate obsession that has made this place so miserable.
RE: Again, who do you replace him with?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2022 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15842302 Red Dog said:
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Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all.


That's really not a given anymore. Who's the last NFL QB that took 2-3 years to get going? Tua? Allen? How many others played well much earlier than that? Lamar, Herbert, Murray, Wilson? Even Mayfield.

Jon Feliciano strikes me as a pretty mediocre C  
cosmicj : 10/2/2022 5:15 pm : link
But where are you going to find a player to replace him? NFL OL are huge men and there simply aren’t that many men that size. And a lot of C draft picks bust! Remember Weston Richburg?

We’ll need to sign Feliciano to a reasonable long term contract and build around him.
So if Jones isn't  
Scooter185 : 10/2/2022 5:18 pm : link
Good enough to get starter money elsewhere why would JS sign him to be their starter?

Unless he's rehabbing a major injury, the short term low cost deal makes no sense from either side
RE: LMFAO!  
halfback20 : 10/2/2022 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15841929 bwitz said:
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Of course you would want to keep him.

8 for 13 71 yards passing 0 TDs

Total stud.

JFC.


Look at his WR options. Hit Slayton on a deep ball, dropped.

He also ran for two touchdowns which should be considered.

Please delete and post as a football thread  
adamg : 10/2/2022 5:21 pm : link
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RE: RE: LMFAO!  
Anakim : 10/2/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15842382 halfback20 said:
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Of course you would want to keep him.

8 for 13 71 yards passing 0 TDs

Total stud.

JFC.



Look at his WR options. Hit Slayton on a deep ball, dropped.

He also ran for two touchdowns which should be considered.


He threw a deep ball. HOORAY! Cooper Rush threw a deep ball too last week.


Considered for what? He wins using on his legs, not his right arm. He's always had plenty of injuries and his athleticism is only going to get worse as he ages. Why would we invest in that?
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riceneggs : 10/2/2022 5:26 pm : link
Nah
RE: Again, who do you replace him with?  
bw in dc : 10/2/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15842302 Red Dog said:
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Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.



Are you having selective amnesia?

Do you recognize the names Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, RG3, Kyler Murray, Joe Burrow?
RE: As it stands today....and things could change...  
ajr2456 : 10/2/2022 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15841993 rnargi said:
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Id offer two years at 35 mil with incentives. He wont be getting more as a backup anywhere and has no leverage. Its a smart move ifbthey end up 8-10 wins and out of the hunt for a QB in The draft.


Is that in American dollars?
RE: RE: I'll say this again  
Paul326 : 10/2/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15842025 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.



The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.

So the last time they traded up for a QB the team wasn’t far removed from a Super Bowl appearance and there was talent on the roster and they could afford the hit in draft picks. The last time I checked this team hasn’t contended for a playoff appearance let alone the Super Bowl for a long time and there are way too many holes in this roster.
I think we can do worse  
Danny Kanell : 10/2/2022 6:55 pm : link
But the idea is to win a championship. Daniel Jones is destined for career backup.
RE: RE: I'll say this again  
Paul326 : 10/2/2022 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15842016 Jerry in_DC said:
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.



Yeah how could we possibly replace those handoffs and 70 yards passing? He runs fast in a straight line. But that is not exactly a rare skill set in the NFL.
You didn’t answer the question who do you replace him with that is “better than him” also maybe you weren’t watching very closely but what WR on this roster is wide open running downfield while Jones is patting the ball behind the stone wall pass protection he gets on every down. I’ll wait for your answers.
RE: RE: RE: I'll say this again  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2022 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15842681 Paul326 said:
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.



The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.


So the last time they traded up for a QB the team wasn’t far removed from a Super Bowl appearance and there was talent on the roster and they could afford the hit in draft picks. The last time I checked this team hasn’t contended for a playoff appearance let alone the Super Bowl for a long time and there are way too many holes in this roster.


They had talent but the 2004 Giants were not anything close to just a QB away. They remade the whole team once Coughlin got there. 3 of 5 of the OL was replaced between 2004 and 2005 offeseasons. Added Snee, O'Hara, and McKenzie. The offense was a mess. There were plenty of people on BBI however saying the same thing, don't go get a QB. Build around Collins.

Obviously Ernie had the wisdom to not take the 'safe' path.
Jones is doing exactly what the coaches are asking him to do  
PatersonPlank : 10/2/2022 9:32 pm : link
We have Barkley, the worst WR corp in football, and an OL that is better at run blocking than pass protection. They have devised a game plan based on Barkley, based on Jones running ability, and based on a lot of underneath passes.

My guess is they are looking for safe passes, heavy running from both Jones and Barkley, and no turnovers. If the Giants are 3-1, and Jones is executing the offense Daboll wants, then why wouldn't he be looked favorably upon?

Also I don't think we, as a team, can open up the offense with our Wr's. We need better WRs and the OL needs to improve its pass blocking, but for right now the coaching staff has identified the team strengths and put together a plan to win.
QB is a bigger need than  
JonC : 10/2/2022 9:32 pm : link
WR. Think longer term at this early rebuilding stage.
RE: You're welcome to your opinion  
5BowlsSoon : 10/2/2022 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15841855 Scooter185 said:
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I just hope BD and JS don't share it


If they do, do you think you know more than them? Besides being a fan, any other football attributes that make you elite?
My 2 cents  
5BowlsSoon : 10/2/2022 9:54 pm : link
I think the best scenario is for Jones to keep improving, playing well, limit turnovers, and give us a chance to win….and that Schoen and Daboll become convinced Jones should be extended.

If that occurs, then instead of worrying about drafting a young unproven QB who may or may not be successful (see Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold) we can concentrate on fixing obvious holes…..like WR, OL, LB, CB.
Can't tag Jones, Barkley yes  
stoneman : 10/2/2022 10:30 pm : link
Tagging a QB is like 30M, but Barkley would be less than 15M. I suppose you could buy one more year at 30M, but what for. It would be time to move on if you do not extend him.

They either resign him long term (no very long) or let him walk. Should be interesting. Someone will pay him if they get 7-8 wins this year, no matter how ugly they are.
FT!  
St. Jimmy : 10/2/2022 10:42 pm : link
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RE: Would it hurt to franchise him next year  
Matt M. : 10/2/2022 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15841856 NY-Fan said:
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Add WR talent and give it one more look? They should have the cap to do that. Not sure how they should handle this situation.
At over $30M, yes, it would hurt. With him and Williams, how much would they have to add WRs?
RE: I'll say this again  
Matt M. : 10/2/2022 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15841998 Paul326 said:
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
What is reasonable? The going rate is around $20M/yr. Even if they get him "cheap", it won't be less than $15M/yr. That is still too much, in my opinion, for a limited QB.
I'm with you nargi!  
montanagiant : 10/2/2022 11:14 pm : link
100%
Jones  
Carl in CT : 10/3/2022 12:23 am : link
Only limitation is his OL and WR’s. Fix that he is ELITE!
RE: Jones  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 1:01 am : link
In comment 15843289 Carl in CT said:
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Only limitation is his OL and WR’s. Fix that he is ELITE!


Horseshit
RE: RE: I'll say this again  
Paul326 : 10/3/2022 1:15 am : link
In comment 15843258 Matt M. said:
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.

What is reasonable? The going rate is around $20M/yr. Even if they get him "cheap", it won't be less than $15M/yr. That is still too much, in my opinion, for a limited QB.
Over the Cap lists 10 QBs making less than 10 mil/year & make more than DJ. On that list are Jimmy G, Mariota Trubisky, Darnold to name a few.
RE: Jones  
Producer : 10/3/2022 1:20 am : link
In comment 15843289 Carl in CT said:
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Only limitation is his OL and WR’s. Fix that he is ELITE!


He hasn't proved that by a long shot. Please watch other QBs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll say this again  
Paul326 : 10/3/2022 1:37 am : link
In comment 15843050 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.



The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.


So the last time they traded up for a QB the team wasn’t far removed from a Super Bowl appearance and there was talent on the roster and they could afford the hit in draft picks. The last time I checked this team hasn’t contended for a playoff appearance let alone the Super Bowl for a long time and there are way too many holes in this roster.



They had talent but the 2004 Giants were not anything close to just a QB away. They remade the whole team once Coughlin got there. 3 of 5 of the OL was replaced between 2004 and 2005 offeseasons. Added Snee, O'Hara, and McKenzie. The offense was a mess. There were plenty of people on BBI however saying the same thing, don't go get a QB. Build around Collins.

Obviously Ernie had the wisdom to not take the 'safe' path.

This team doesn’t have the same talent level the 2004 team did. Remember the team had a winning record with Warner at QB. The current team has no threat at either TE or WR the OL outside of Thomas can’t pass block and the D has been successful but still has holes at corner and LB. With all that being said they’re playing hard and beating teams in their weight class.
RE: Jones  
ajr2456 : 10/3/2022 5:20 am : link
In comment 15843289 Carl in CT said:
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Only limitation is his OL and WR’s. Fix that he is ELITE!


Stick to hoops
let's see how the season plays out  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/3/2022 8:01 am : link
I do see that he has improved himself and his decision making - he also does not have any WRs to throw to or a complete Oline and he does seem to be making chicken salad out of chicken chit right now

Can he say on the field and keep winning?
is this a NON FOOTBALL THREAD  
cjac : 10/3/2022 8:10 am : link
because if you want Jones going forward its not considered based actual football?

Jones  
LG in NYC : 10/3/2022 8:22 am : link
is tough, smart, improving, has a limited O Line and has almost no NFL caliber receivers.

all that said, he is not Elite, and is likely not even 2nd tier. He is a serviceable QB with a skill set a great coach can work with but it isn't a long term solution that lends itself to a top tier team.

I will trust the coaching staff/FO to make the right decision re: Jones going forward but suspect they have already tipped their hand.
I like DJ  
Now Mike in MD : 10/3/2022 8:40 am : link
he's improving, but his ceiling his a Top 12 QB. So if he is willing to take a contact in the 15-17 million per year range, I'm on board.

Here are some questions  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 8:41 am : link
If Jones is as good as his supporters say he is, then why would he sign a cheap deal to stay? If he's not signing a cheap deal, how much harder would it be to make significant improvements in the offensive personnel surrounding him? Is the difference between Jones and Taylor significant enough to outweigh the likelihood of building a better supporting cast around Taylor?
RE: I like DJ  
Anakim : 10/3/2022 8:52 am : link
In comment 15843466 Now Mike in MD said:
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he's improving, but his ceiling his a Top 12 QB. So if he is willing to take a contact in the 15-17 million per year range, I'm on board.


That's his ceiling? Gotta disagree with you there. Again, his arm isn't that strong.
RE: is this a NON FOOTBALL THREAD  
rnargi : 10/3/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15843427 cjac said:
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because if you want Jones going forward its not considered based actual football?


Maaaaybe?? I don't know, cjac...I just like the way the guy plays the game and I believe he'll get better as he gets a more reliable cast around him. That's all. It's near impossible to get that "franchise" QB. There are maybe half a dozen right now that are "elite", agreed? I'm not claiming he is or ever will be elite. I just see a gutsy, gritty guy who has gone 8-8 over his last 16 starts, and 6-2 over his last 8. He's starting to win. He's fumbled once this season on a blindside hit and thrown one bad INT. The INT at the end of the Dallas game was a timing throw where the WR fell down on his own. We've all stated we wanted to see the turnovers down. So far, check. We've asked that he be more careful running and slide. So far, check. We've stated that he needs to start winning. So far, check. Now we need to see him step up and throw to subpar receivers and make some chicken salad out of chicken shit. He's done that running the ball, but not passing.
RE: As it stands today....and things could change...  
River Mike : 10/3/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15841993 rnargi said:
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Id offer two years at 35 mil with incentives. He wont be getting more as a backup anywhere and has no leverage. Its a smart move ifbthey end up 8-10 wins and out of the hunt for a QB in The draft.


I agree. Even a 1st round QB is a crap shoot. The only REAL weakness of Jones is injury. For those who said they didn't trust him to throw, I disagree. I think they didn't trust the oline to keep him upright. I'm fine with going with him if it can be done under the cap situation, and continue building the team. If a can't miss QB who they have a very strong conviction on happens to fall to us in the draft, then fine. The odds of that are pretty slim.
The same crap in every Jones thread  
Snablats : 10/3/2022 9:53 am : link
with the Jones sucks crowd denying the realities of finding his replacement

Comparing it to the Eli draft is pointless since the Giants wont be picking 4th and there arent 3 QBs available like Eli, Ben, and Rivers

And the usual blather about how a handful of drafted QBs have stepped right in recently while not listing the 100 QBs who recently failed

Finding an elite QB is hard. Finding even an above average QB is hard. Look at the Bears - they are now stuck with their 2nd straight blown QB choice

Like it or not, who is available as a replacement has to factor into the Jones decision
Good point from Greg but...  
arniefez : 10/3/2022 10:02 am : link
for me it depends on what they'll have to pay him. I don't think he's very highly regarded around the league by FOs and coaches. I don't think any fan base is saying wow Daniel Jones is a free agent if we could just get him we'd be set at QB. I think unless Daboll and Kafka think Jones can be a Super Bowl QB if they fill the holes around him the Giants FO will set a price for him and if it gets too rich they'll let him walk. It will happen before the draft so if he leaves they'll pivot to the draft. For all we know they may take a run at Lamar Jackson? I think they can create the cap money to do it if they want to.

Sorry in advance for how long this post is but I'm excited about the Giants for the first time in a decade. Regardless of whether Steve Tisch had to "force" John Mara to fire Joe Judge and go outside the organization for a GM and HC or they both were on the same page and knew it was time for drastic changes doesn't matter at this point. IMO since the day they fired Judge the Giants owners have done everything we could asked for even the ROH and throwback uniforms.

I think the Giants are finally on the right track. The new front office seems smart and the coaching staff has been great so far. But the current roster is so weak and out of the 10 very good or good players they have at least half of them are already injured. The draft class has been wrecked by injuries. Both 1st round picks are hurt. The 2nd round pick has missed the last 3 games with a knee injury and there's no time table for him to return. One of the 3rd round picks has a hamstring injury. Two other rookies tore ACLs in the pre season and are gone for the year. They needed those guys to play and most to start and they're all hurt already.

The Giants have 1 great player, Barkley and he's the reason they've beaten the teams that are in their weight class. They've also beat 2 crap QBs. Mayfield and Fields. Next two games are Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson. If they can win one of them the coaching staff should get their salaries doubled. After the Ravens they have 4 games in a row against teams in their weight class. Jags, Seahawks, Texans, Lions. I think they have a realistic chance to be 5-5 or even 6-4 after 10 games.

5 out of the last 7 are against the Eagles 2, Washington 2 and Dallas 1. I think if they get some players back and things break right, because of their schedule, they can win 9 games total. With this roster I think that's a miracle. I figured 5 or 6 tops when the season started. Normally with a roster like this I'd be rooting for a good draft slot but the Giants have been losers for so long getting wins no matter how ugly are huge for the new coaching staff, front office and us too. It feels great to see the Giants at 3-1. I'll enjoy it until next Sunday.

They have 60 million in cap space next year but Barkley is a FA and a RB (they can franchise him) and Jones is a free agent too. It speaks to the level of incompetence of the former GM that Daniel Jones is in his 4th year and the Giants have been so horrible it's almost impossible to tell if he can play or not. I have serious doubts about him. We know the concerns, he still locks in on one receiver, he's slow or doesn't scan the field, etc. but he's not making as many dumb mistakes and he's tough as hell. This is not Dave Brown we're talking about and John Mara spoke the truth when he said the Giants have given him no support.

To be fair and try to be objective about him, not only didn't he have a single receiver that could make a good teams roster let alone start yesterday, the center and both guards are at best backup level. The rookie RT who is learning on the job, left the game and was replaced by an undrafted free agent. The TE's are a 4th round rookie and another undrafted free agent. How would the elite QBs do with those guys protecting them and as their playmakers?

The HC last year was coaching Josh Allen and the OC was coaching Patrick Mahomes. If those guys think they can win with Jones going forward I'll trust them because it's impossible for me to know with this roster.
rnargi  
jhibb : 10/4/2022 8:57 am : link
Your teeth called, your breath stinks. And you like Daniel Jones. Boom, roasted.
RE: The same crap in every Jones thread  
chick310 : 10/4/2022 10:08 am : link
In comment 15843643 Snablats said:
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with the Jones sucks crowd denying the realities of finding his replacement

Comparing it to the Eli draft is pointless since the Giants wont be picking 4th and there arent 3 QBs available like Eli, Ben, and Rivers

And the usual blather about how a handful of drafted QBs have stepped right in recently while not listing the 100 QBs who recently failed

Finding an elite QB is hard. Finding even an above average QB is hard. Look at the Bears - they are now stuck with their 2nd straight blown QB choice

Like it or not, who is available as a replacement has to factor into the Jones decision


Speaking of usual blather, another post on just staying with what we have and not trying to improve even if it has some risk.

And I don't like going back too far too in commenting on today's NFL, but since you posted about it, in 2004 Ben was taken #11 by Steelers so it's actually possible to find QBs after #4.

And most if not all fans know that finding an elite or even good QB is hard. Does that really need to be said? The very fact that Schoen did not even use one pick on a QB in the last draft (a weak QB draft) tells us something.

What really needs to be said when I see posts like yours, is that I can assure you that the Giants will never, ever find their next franchise guy without some good in-depth evaluations on the college QB ranks and, god forbid, taking some risks/chances on one of them in a future draft. It's a certainty.
amen, chick  
The Jake : 10/4/2022 10:21 am : link
finding a QB is hard = / = we should avoid that and try to win with a shitty one.

this is not an either/or Daniel Jones or "the field" decision, and it's disingenuous to suggest that Schoen or Daboll or anyone else with the Giants is framing the decision that way. they're not sitting around saying "gee, should we keep Daniel or get rid of him?" they are thinking about who his replacement could be, because that's their job, and they certainly have their eyes on specific QBs already, both in college and in the NFL.
RE: The same crap in every Jones thread  
Sean : 10/4/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15843643 Snablats said:
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with the Jones sucks crowd denying the realities of finding his replacement

Comparing it to the Eli draft is pointless since the Giants wont be picking 4th and there arent 3 QBs available like Eli, Ben, and Rivers

And the usual blather about how a handful of drafted QBs have stepped right in recently while not listing the 100 QBs who recently failed

Finding an elite QB is hard. Finding even an above average QB is hard. Look at the Bears - they are now stuck with their 2nd straight blown QB choice

Like it or not, who is available as a replacement has to factor into the Jones decision

Is Daniel Jones better than Cooper Rush?
It isn't about Jones  
NoGainDayne : 10/4/2022 10:26 am : link
I said in another thread but I'd be more than fine giving him another year with this coaching staff the way they can clearly game plan around him much better if he was on his rookie deal.

He won't be and it is the likely cost that makes many think of him as a bad idea. And it isn't just the cost, it is the cost plus the fact that given that cost we are unlikely to spend the resources needed to bring in a replacement that doesn't have a league average ceiling.
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