What are you going to with him on a contract? That matters given Barkley is a FA and multiple WRs and interior OL are needed plus defense rebuild still in works as well.
but he can’t stay on the field and his effectiveness depends on him being able to run. Can go year to year with a guy like that but big commitment seems like a bad idea.
2 rushing TD’s. If Jalen Hurts can get credit for his rushing TD’s why shouldn’t Jones? I still would not offer him a second contract, but he hasn’t been the issue he was in the past
Id offer two years at 35 mil with incentives. He wont be getting more as a backup anywhere and has no leverage. Its a smart move ifbthey end up 8-10 wins and out of the hunt for a QB in The draft.
Has always done well against poor defense, and that's what the bears had the first half. I'm surprised they didn't score more actually.
I also didn't think the offense missed much of a beat with TT for those few plays. I'd rather draft a QB but keep SB after what I've seen so far this year
Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
Yeah how could we possibly replace those handoffs and 70 yards passing? He runs fast in a straight line. But that is not exactly a rare skill set in the NFL.
Also 3 Giant QBS who got their asses handed to them weekly and weren't NFL caliber players. Just because a guy takes a licking and is running for his life (and getting positive yardage) doesn't make him a piece to build around.
Franchising him isn't an option. This team is 3-1 because of Barkley, aggressive defense and most of all good coaching. I think Jones is a good guy and easy to root for, but he lacks the skills and intangibles to be an elite QB.
Settling for average to below average shouldn't be an option
RE: Jones greatest strength is also the greatest risk of committing to him
Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.
RE: As it stands today....and things could change...
Id offer two years at 35 mil with incentives. He wont be getting more as a backup anywhere and has no leverage. Its a smart move ifbthey end up 8-10 wins and out of the hunt for a QB in The draft.
I’d be fine with that. Leaves 2024 open for QB move still in draft. It’s looking pretty obvious they’ll be targeting WR in the early rounds of draft coming in 2023.
Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.
Increasingly I’m lukewarm on this QB class. It looks like Stroud and a bunch of really questionable projections. I’m not in favor of trading a future one plus other picks to move up for anybody.
Giants have so many holes and depth problems on roster they need every draft pick they have next two drafts.
If it doesn't look likely, a short term contract wouldn't be such a bad idea. 2 yr/ 35 seems a bit high.
I wouldn't mind seeing TT getting a bit of action. Neither are the future, but one of them could be a reasonably priced bridge til we can draft the future.
Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.
Increasingly I’m lukewarm on this QB class. It looks like Stroud and a bunch of really questionable projections. I’m not in favor of trading a future one plus other picks to move up for anybody.
Giants have so many holes and depth problems on roster they need every draft pick they have next two drafts.
It's okay to be lukewarm on this class. It's October 2nd, so it's too early to tell. And also, it might not be a good class. But the answer remains the same. If there is a QB they like, they'll do what most teams do: move earth to get their guy.
They have a QB on the roster signed thru next season to be the bus driver while they wait.
let's waste a few more on a qb of limited throwing skills. Some of you think that because Jones did some running, he's a good qb. He isn't. Face facts.
Who do replace him with? Who cares? He is not the goods, find someone who is.
Guy is tough and he’s made the most of a shit roster for the most part this year but you’d think he was a blood relative the way some people are emotionally invested in him
Sign him short term and fill all the other holes the team has
If you're daniel jones, and your future in the NFL depends on proving to the league you can play, is more years behind a rebuilding OL and no WRs actually helping you?
Sign him short term and fill all the other holes the team has
If you're daniel jones, and your future in the NFL depends on proving to the league you can play, is more years behind a rebuilding OL and no WRs actually helping you?
What team out there is giving him starter money? He has two choices....sign a team friendly short term contract and hope the oline and wr corps improves, or sign elsewhere as a backup and hipe for an injury so he can go in and try to prove himself. Id stay with the Gmen
Sign him short term and fill all the other holes the team has
If you're daniel jones, and your future in the NFL depends on proving to the league you can play, is more years behind a rebuilding OL and no WRs actually helping you?
What team out there is giving him starter money? He has two choices....sign a team friendly short term contract and hope the oline and wr corps improves, or sign elsewhere as a backup and hipe for an injury so he can go in and try to prove himself. Id stay with the Gmen
He will never see serious money if he puts up another year like this without being able to show that he can pass like a starting QB. No one's paying him starter money now because he has no chance to demonstrate he's worth it.
I don't see that happening in season when it's painfully clear the Giants don't have any WRs on the roster. It's a rare-form terrible talent situation.
...telling you Jones won't be back next season, what else could the new leadership group have done to convey the message?
*Refuse an affordable and team friendly 5th year option
*Sign a veteran backup to a 2 year deal
*Inquire about vet QB on the trading block (Wilson)
*Have visible scouting contingents at every game involving potential QB's in next years draft
And don't forget, design game plans that can best be described as "Please QB, don't fuck this up"
He will not be a Giant next year, and thats ok, life, and this team will go on
I respect a lot of your opinions, especially you, Susan
I mean Rob. But I'm not sure how you can come away thinking DJ is the answer going forward. DJ is winning with his legs, not his arm. We need a franchise QB, not a Taysom-Hill type of gadget player. I think it's pretty evident since he's been drafted that while DJ can beat you with his legs, he can't beat you with his arm.
I'm in the keep Jones camp partly because I think he can play at a high level IF he has a decent supporting cast, which he still doesn't have (WRs? none. OL? a work in progress. etc.) and partly because there simply isn't any actually viable replacement on the horizon at this point.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.
And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.
For me, it's a bridge deal or let him go and start over once again. I like him. I think he has serious talent and is in a no win situation. Some say he can't carry a team. No one can carry the WR corps out there today. I would say he did carry them on his legs today. Sustainable? Doubtful. But under the circumstances, he won the game. And was a big reason why. IMHO.
I'm in the keep Jones camp partly because I think he can play at a high level IF he has a decent supporting cast, which he still doesn't have (WRs? none. OL? a work in progress. etc.) and partly because there simply isn't any actually viable replacement on the horizon at this point.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.
And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.
Franchise Jones and see what happens.
Building up the roster is exactly the reason you shouldn't franchise Jones and commit $30 million. His production can be replaced by Marriota/Brissett tier QBs and that's assuming there are no rookies worth taking.
I'm in the keep Jones camp partly because I think he can play at a high level IF he has a decent supporting cast, which he still doesn't have (WRs? none. OL? a work in progress. etc.) and partly because there simply isn't any actually viable replacement on the horizon at this point.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.
And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.
Franchise Jones and see what happens.
Getting rid of a player usually means replacing him with someone better. The cultish inststence that Jones is the worst qb in NFL history and can therefore be replaced by anyone who has ever picked up a football is part of the Jones hate obsession that has made this place so miserable.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all.
That's really not a given anymore. Who's the last NFL QB that took 2-3 years to get going? Tua? Allen? How many others played well much earlier than that? Lamar, Herbert, Murray, Wilson? Even Mayfield.
But where are you going to find a player to replace him? NFL OL are huge men and there simply aren’t that many men that size. And a lot of C draft picks bust! Remember Weston Richburg?
We’ll need to sign Feliciano to a reasonable long term contract and build around him.
Yes, it would. Franchising him alone would eat almost half the team’s available cap space.
Hard pass.
8 for 13 71 yards passing 0 TDs
Total stud.
JFC.
8 for 13 71 yards passing 0 TDs
Total stud.
JFC.
2 rushing TD’s. If Jalen Hurts can get credit for his rushing TD’s why shouldn’t Jones? I still would not offer him a second contract, but he hasn’t been the issue he was in the past
8 for 13 71 yards passing 0 TDs
Total stud.
JFC.
How many drops and how many people were open?
And I guess you just forgot his 2 TDs and about 90 yards rushing.
More important is he is injured again - that is my limiting factor.
I also didn't think the offense missed much of a beat with TT for those few plays. I'd rather draft a QB but keep SB after what I've seen so far this year
Yeah how could we possibly replace those handoffs and 70 yards passing? He runs fast in a straight line. But that is not exactly a rare skill set in the NFL.
Franchising him isn't an option. This team is 3-1 because of Barkley, aggressive defense and most of all good coaching. I think Jones is a good guy and easy to root for, but he lacks the skills and intangibles to be an elite QB.
Settling for average to below average shouldn't be an option
yep
The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.
I’d be fine with that. Leaves 2024 open for QB move still in draft. It’s looking pretty obvious they’ll be targeting WR in the early rounds of draft coming in 2023.
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.
Increasingly I’m lukewarm on this QB class. It looks like Stroud and a bunch of really questionable projections. I’m not in favor of trading a future one plus other picks to move up for anybody.
Giants have so many holes and depth problems on roster they need every draft pick they have next two drafts.
If it doesn't look likely, a short term contract wouldn't be such a bad idea. 2 yr/ 35 seems a bit high.
I wouldn't mind seeing TT getting a bit of action. Neither are the future, but one of them could be a reasonably priced bridge til we can draft the future.
Too early to talk about the future, though.
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Who do you replace Jones with? The team is probably going to finish with 8-10 wins so that puts them out of the top QB race so what potential FA QB (which is going to cost big bucks) are you looking at that will give the team more than DJ is doing with no real WR threats. Then there are holes all over the roster that need to be filled which aren't going to be filled with FA's even with a better cap situation so you need the draft picks. So you sign DJ to a reasonable short term prove it deal and build the roster up and then revisit after the 2023 season.
The obvious answer to this is, it will look like what the Giants did last time they liked a QB: They traded up to get one. If there is a QB they like, they will do what is necessary to get one. It doesn't mean spending money on a free agent QB or sitting still at the single draft spot they earn.
Increasingly I’m lukewarm on this QB class. It looks like Stroud and a bunch of really questionable projections. I’m not in favor of trading a future one plus other picks to move up for anybody.
Giants have so many holes and depth problems on roster they need every draft pick they have next two drafts.
It's okay to be lukewarm on this class. It's October 2nd, so it's too early to tell. And also, it might not be a good class. But the answer remains the same. If there is a QB they like, they'll do what most teams do: move earth to get their guy.
They have a QB on the roster signed thru next season to be the bus driver while they wait.
Who do replace him with? Who cares? He is not the goods, find someone who is.
If you're daniel jones, and your future in the NFL depends on proving to the league you can play, is more years behind a rebuilding OL and no WRs actually helping you?
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Sign him short term and fill all the other holes the team has
If you're daniel jones, and your future in the NFL depends on proving to the league you can play, is more years behind a rebuilding OL and no WRs actually helping you?
What team out there is giving him starter money? He has two choices....sign a team friendly short term contract and hope the oline and wr corps improves, or sign elsewhere as a backup and hipe for an injury so he can go in and try to prove himself. Id stay with the Gmen
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Sign him short term and fill all the other holes the team has
If you're daniel jones, and your future in the NFL depends on proving to the league you can play, is more years behind a rebuilding OL and no WRs actually helping you?
What team out there is giving him starter money? He has two choices....sign a team friendly short term contract and hope the oline and wr corps improves, or sign elsewhere as a backup and hipe for an injury so he can go in and try to prove himself. Id stay with the Gmen
He will never see serious money if he puts up another year like this without being able to show that he can pass like a starting QB. No one's paying him starter money now because he has no chance to demonstrate he's worth it.
I don't see that happening in season when it's painfully clear the Giants don't have any WRs on the roster. It's a rare-form terrible talent situation.
*Refuse an affordable and team friendly 5th year option
*Sign a veteran backup to a 2 year deal
*Inquire about vet QB on the trading block (Wilson)
*Have visible scouting contingents at every game involving potential QB's in next years draft
And don't forget, design game plans that can best be described as "Please QB, don't fuck this up"
He will not be a Giant next year, and thats ok, life, and this team will go on
We need a franchise QB. A real one.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.
And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.
Franchise Jones and see what happens.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.
And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.
Franchise Jones and see what happens.
Building up the roster is exactly the reason you shouldn't franchise Jones and commit $30 million. His production can be replaced by Marriota/Brissett tier QBs and that's assuming there are no rookies worth taking.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all. We've seen that many, many, many first round QBs are busts (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, etc.) and effective QBs taken after the first round are rare as hen's teeth.
And there is simply nobody already in the NFL who will be available and worth the commitment.
Franchise Jones and see what happens.
Getting rid of a player usually means replacing him with someone better. The cultish inststence that Jones is the worst qb in NFL history and can therefore be replaced by anyone who has ever picked up a football is part of the Jones hate obsession that has made this place so miserable.
Any rookie will take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed, and that's only IF he's any good at all.
That's really not a given anymore. Who's the last NFL QB that took 2-3 years to get going? Tua? Allen? How many others played well much earlier than that? Lamar, Herbert, Murray, Wilson? Even Mayfield.
We’ll need to sign Feliciano to a reasonable long term contract and build around him.
Unless he's rehabbing a major injury, the short term low cost deal makes no sense from either side