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Daniel Jones & Saquon Barkley

Sean : 10/2/2022 4:07 pm
I try to be fluid in my opinions, and I know I’ve been labeled a “Jones hater” by some, but I want to state these two opinions:

1. Daniel Jones was really good today. He doesn’t suck like some say, he’s not a loser as some say. He has a legitimate NFL skill set and you can win with him. I loved the designed runs today, and he made some really nice throws. I hope his injury isn’t serious.

2. Often times posters want to trade players for anything. I’m sorry, but trading Saquon Barkley for a 3rd round pick is ridiculous. Would you trade Barkley for Matt Peart (who was a 3rd rounder)? There is no way I’m just giving this guy away.

Thrilled to be 3-1.
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Mara was never going to OK a trade for Barkley...  
Jim in Tampa : 10/2/2022 4:24 pm : link
after that first game.

Remember, the trade deadline is Nov. 1st and trading Barkley essentially means that the Giants are giving up on the season, with 9 games left to play.

As for this game being some sort of "mind changer" on Jones... let's get real.

Bears weren't setting the edge in the first half and those 2 TD runs were there for the taking.

Meanwhile, I think I saw that Jones only passed for 84 yards.

Not putting Jones down, as he's working with crappy WRs at this point, but again, I don't know how anyone changes their mind about Jones after this game.
RE: As well as Barkley and Jones  
Gmen703 : 10/2/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15842041 Bill in UT said:
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ran the ball today, the Giants cannot win games without a passing game, despite today.


This! 71 yards won't cut it.
Don't know what Jones is gonna be willing to  
Blue21 : 10/2/2022 4:24 pm : link
take for money. But someone is gonna pay him if he keeps playing like this.
RE: Can win with him against the Bears  
Sean : 10/2/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15842055 ajr2456 said:
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This game plan probably doesn’t work in any other game this year

That’s true. It’s a specific game you need to win. However, Jones skill set allowed that today.

Ultimately it’s about throwing the ball.
Everyone wants to pass and built their defense to stop the pass  
kelly : 10/2/2022 4:27 pm : link
Maybe Giants should play with jones, barkley, three tight ends and 6 o line.

Why pretend we have any receivers.
Great start  
Thegratefulhead : 10/2/2022 4:35 pm : link
Some of Jones' biggest issues are:

Consistency.

Availability.

The rest of the year matters. More games like today than not, and I'm in. I want to see more.
I think today proved that the people who want to tank  
81_Great_Dane : 10/2/2022 4:36 pm : link
by dumping Jones and Barkley are absolutely right about one thing: That's the surest way for the Giants to tank.
Same here. I have also been labeled a Jones hater  
Mike from Ohio : 10/2/2022 4:38 pm : link
It’s an idiotic statement, but this is BBI so…

Jones played a really good game today. Anyone saying anything else isn’t being honest. He does have talent, and his running is legit dangerous.

I have not changed my view on not re-signing him next year, but the kid has some talent and he can carve himself a nice career with it. It’s ok to acknowledge that he has good games and bad games, and these last two were pretty good.
I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
cosmicj : 10/2/2022 4:38 pm : link
He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.

RE: I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
ajr2456 : 10/2/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15842149 cosmicj said:
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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.


I think it’s interesting and telling Tyrod comes in and they immediately went down field
RE: RE: I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/2/2022 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15842161 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15842149 cosmicj said:


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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.




I think it’s interesting and telling Tyrod comes in and they immediately went down field


It is...and he threw a pick. Almost like there is a reason Jones doesn't throw into coverage.
RE: I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/2/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15842149 cosmicj said:
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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.


He hit Slayton in the hands...unbelievable...
No, the pass was short  
cosmicj : 10/2/2022 4:44 pm : link
Slayton had to slow down to get it, which allowed the defender to get there.
RE: No, the pass was short  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/2/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15842194 cosmicj said:
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Slayton had to slow down to get it, which allowed the defender to get there.


Jones has thrown so many passes in the outstretched hands of Slayton that Slayton has dropped...God for bid an NFL WR have to make an adjustment and catch a ball that hits him in both hands.
RE: No, the pass was short  
PEEJ : 10/2/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15842194 cosmicj said:
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Slayton had to slow down to get it, which allowed the defender to get there.


Bullshit. Slayton had separated from the DB. It was a carch every pro WR should make
This isn’t an assessment of Slayton,  
cosmicj : 10/2/2022 4:52 pm : link
Jones threw it short. He should have led Slayton away from the safety.
This thread is about two things  
Sean : 10/2/2022 4:56 pm : link
1. Jones doesn’t “suck”. I still lean heavily to not resigning him, but he has gotten so much shit from so many people and deserves a call out for his skill set. I do think Jones needs to be paired with a strong roster and savvy GM.

2. Trading Saquon for a third round pick is lunacy. This team is 0-4 without Saquon easy.
He needs to be paired with  
Jerry in_DC : 10/2/2022 4:58 pm : link
A much better QB
Jones is playing adequately  
lax counsel : 10/2/2022 5:02 pm : link
With the limited tasks he’s been assigned by coaches. He’s being asked not to turn the ball over And limit his ability open up the offense. You can win with this type of football in the right situations, which is what the giants are doing right now. Jones is a limited downfield passer which has shown this season again. What’s happening at the moment very much reminds me of Harbaugh and Alex Smith in 2011. Keep the qb in a small box and limit his ability to make a killer mistake. It’s working so kudos to this staff.
Availability is becoming a major concern for Jones  
BH28 : 10/2/2022 5:08 pm : link
Jones is best when he is a dual threat option, we saw in the past how he becomes ineffective when one dimensional.

It's a major concern if the ankle injury impacts his ability to run.
All credit to this staff  
Justlurking : 10/2/2022 5:33 pm : link
They are putting these guys in position to use their skill set. Jones seems like he’s actually playing, not thinking out there. Hope he’s good for GB. That’s a winnable game.

Saquon playing for big money contract. Looks great. Let someone else make the mistake of signing him long term. The contract he’ll want will not pay off. No rb contracts do.
RE: RE: Can win with him against the Bears  
Walker Gillette : 10/2/2022 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15842071 Sean said:
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In comment 15842055 ajr2456 said:


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This game plan probably doesn’t work in any other game this year


That’s true. It’s a specific game you need to win. However, Jones skill set allowed that today.

Ultimately it’s about throwing the ball.
Agreed 100% and the big problems that almost get lost in all of the DJ hullabaloo is that the OL is atrocious at pass blocking and the receivers are pathetic. The Giants will never be able to throw the ball, not with DJ, not with Patrick Mahomes if the OL doesn't improve greatly and Robinson and Toney do not come back and make a real impact. Golladay is done, Sills is not an NFL player or at least not a guy who your ever need to rely on, Slayton's confidence is gone and Richie James is a backup and return guy.This is the much bigger problem. I see people on BBI all the time that say he can't feel the rush or he never gets the ball to the playmakers. Trust me he feels the rush it is always upon him and there are no playmakers in this receiver group that they trotted out today.
I don’t understand those who don’t want to sign Jones  
DefenseWins : 10/2/2022 5:46 pm : link
After this season.

Nobody says he has to be the starter. What if we find our franchise QB on the franchise QB tree that is growing somewhere.

Having DJ as a solid backup at the right price would be a good thing. He would probably be the best backup in the league.

If there are teams willing to pay him $$ to be their starter, then we can let him go if we have a better alternative.
RE: Same here. I have also been labeled a Jones hater  
ColHowPepper : 10/2/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15842148 Mike from Ohio said:
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...I have not changed my view on not re-signing him next year, but the kid has some talent and he can carve himself a nice career with it. It’s ok to acknowledge that he has good games and bad games, and these last two were pretty good.

Agree all three clauses above, Mike. And, yes, your posts have put you squarely in the header category (:

Props to you and Sean for being upfront and fair, unlike some. I did think you started one of the worst threads this year (think it was a thread and not just a post) a couple of weeks ago in which you argued, questioned, re. the Jones defenders, why was it Golladay wasn't receiving equal defenders, tantamount to equating Golladay with Jones in their 'contributions' to the team. Even christian, another very good poster, said, excellent post. I may have the nuance of the equation wrong but the gist was unmistakable. It was jaw dropping to me.

We agree Jones' has shortcomings and it is easy to see why Schoen and Daboll may well want to move on from him. But their hands may be tied, hamstrung, in getting at a top tier prospect.
RE: This isn’t an assessment of Slayton,  
5BowlsSoon : 10/2/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15842251 cosmicj said:
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Jones threw it short. He should have led Slayton away from the safety.


Sorry cos, but just because Jones didn’t lead him doesn’t mean it was a bad pass. Slayton still should have caught it, with or without the interference.
Yes, Jones played well, but made a  
Section331 : 10/2/2022 8:19 pm : link
a couple of great throws? 80 yards in 3 qtr’s, this game set passing offense back 60 years. That’s not necessarily DJ’s fault, but the bar is so low.

And I would add, if I’m the Bears’ HC, I’d consider firing my DC. Their backside defense was fucking embarrassing.
RE: Yes, Jones played well, but made a  
Sean : 10/2/2022 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15842872 Section331 said:
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a couple of great throws? 80 yards in 3 qtr’s, this game set passing offense back 60 years. That’s not necessarily DJ’s fault, but the bar is so low.

And I would add, if I’m the Bears’ HC, I’d consider firing my DC. Their backside defense was fucking embarrassing.

This is the best way to win for this personnel. Kafka called a great game and Jones executed.
 
christian : 10/2/2022 10:41 pm : link
I think anyone who is familiar with my posts, knows I’m not particularly convinced Barkley or Jones make sense for the future. But they ran the ball extremely well today.

This was the best designed offensive gamelan all year. To win a game with the WRs they had out there, and then without a QB was awesome.
Jones actually had a 92+ QBR...  
bw in dc : 10/2/2022 10:42 pm : link
That is very high and - typically - suggests some prolific production. I would have guessed 60+, which would have reflected a very solid game under the circumstances.

He only threw 13X, 71 yards, 0 TDs and a 5+ YPA.

My guess is the running overall, the rushing TDs and no turnovers carried a lot of weight.
.  
arcarsenal : 10/2/2022 10:49 pm : link
I've criticized Jones plenty, I just don't know how a guy in his position is supposed to thrive with the players he's throwing the ball to right now.

We had a rough WR group as it was. Then, you remove Shepard, Toney and Robinson from the equation and factor in that Kenny Golladay is one of the worst FA signings in team history in addition to one of the weakest TE groups in the league, and you're left with a group of total question marks.

I said before the year started that to get the most out of Jones, the Giants would need to utilize his legs more. Bootlegs, designed keeps, etc. Exactly what we saw today. The problem is that playing this way with Jones is going to land him on the sidelines more often than not.

But until he has more reliable pass-catchers, this is going to be one of the only ways the Giants can keep moving the ball.

It sucks that in a year where we really need to know what we do or don't have, he's going to be so hard to evaluate due to circumstances beyond his control.

Gun to my head, I still don't think he's the guy long-term... but I've seen things from him the last couple of weeks that say he's still got some room to grow and get better and he does have some good tools.

I'd love to see the guy with a respectable group of skill players and a decent line.
I still don’t think he’s the guy long term..  
Sean : 10/2/2022 10:59 pm : link
But, he gets a lot of shit. He has since the night he was drafted. But, he has some nice tools. He’s playing better than Mayfield right now for what he’s asked to do.

There were names thrown out that were referenced as being better than Jones on here, I want to say Nick Mullens. And that just isn’t fair. He’s done more than that.

It’s not a “Jones should stay” thread, but he deserves some credit. His legs allowed Kafka to call the game he called.
I just don't get putting those guys together  
Jerry in_DC : 10/2/2022 11:02 pm : link
Barkley is one of the best RBs in the league.

Jones is one of the worst starting QBs in the league
RE: I just don't get putting those guys together  
bw in dc : 10/2/2022 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15843241 Jerry in_DC said:
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Barkley is one of the best RBs in the league.

Jones is one of the worst starting QBs in the league


And the irony is you don't need that great RB to be a team that consistently competes for the biggest stakes.

It's a luxury if you have the other, more important pieces set up - QB, OL, receivers.
Nobody has advocated trading Barkley for a mid-round pick  
Matt M. : 10/2/2022 11:07 pm : link
What I have read a lot of (and typed myself) is if a team is offering a FIRST round pick, they have to at least seriously considered it.
RE: Nobody has advocated trading Barkley for a mid-round pick  
Sean : 10/2/2022 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15843248 Matt M. said:
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What I have read a lot of (and typed myself) is if a team is offering a FIRST round pick, they have to at least seriously considered it.

I’ve read people say that no one is trading a first for Saquon and you have to take a 2nd or 3rd because he’s a running back.
like either guy or not i'd hope now the cost of replacing them can be  
Eric on Li : 10/2/2022 11:26 pm : link
better understood and the days of "cut them because they are net negatives" can be somewhat put to bed. their history is their history but all that matters are these 2 questions:

what can they contribute?
how much would it cost to replace/upgrade that?

for barkley, it's pretty simple. tagging him (or extending) is the same AAV as the open market rate for evan engram, so it's basically a no brainer since we are lacking for any skill players worth touching the football. running backs may be replaceable but he is a legitimate super star who can do it all. i think they may have a real decision to make at the deadline because someone like the Rams or KC could put a big offer on the table for him, but short of getting a haul i think they'd be wise to extend him early on a deal similar to chubb. as a guy who has had health issues and seems to like it here i think that's a win-win.

the outcome with jones is more uncertain. he continues to show that he has legitimate talent/toughness, makes subtle improvements, and is at least a 'win with' QB. i don't know if there's more than that but I do know you aren't finding anything better in free agency at a reasonable price - so i expect them to retain him at least through the draft because that's the only realistic way to upgrade him.

i dont think it's a certainty either guy gets another contract here but id root for both of them wherever they go because they seem like good leaders and hard workers who would do anything in their power to help this org win games.
RE: RE: Nobody has advocated trading Barkley for a mid-round pick  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/2/2022 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15843262 Sean said:
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In comment 15843248 Matt M. said:


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What I have read a lot of (and typed myself) is if a team is offering a FIRST round pick, they have to at least seriously considered it.


I’ve read people say that no one is trading a first for Saquon and you have to take a 2nd or 3rd because he’s a running back.


Certainly a 3rd at this point would make zero sense. I think we would get that as a comp pick. If someone is offering a first, I agree it should be considered...and that goes for any player on this team. Saquon does have an injury history and RBs usually have short careers. That being said...I'm glad he is out there running his ass off for us and got us to 3-1
I don't think a Barkley trade is at all likely  
BlackLight : 10/2/2022 11:35 pm : link
mostly because Schoen will want a king's ransom for him, and I can't imagine there's anyone out there willing to meet those demands.

But, hypothetically, if there was a GM out there who was willing to play ball, we'd be nuts not to seriously consider that deal. Trading Barkley will hurt in the very near term, but if we draft well with whatever we get in return, a team that's significantly more talented in 2023 will make us forget that pain in short order.
RE: I still don’t think he’s the guy long term..  
BillKo : 10/2/2022 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15843235 Sean said:
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But, he gets a lot of shit. He has since the night he was drafted. But, he has some nice tools. He’s playing better than Mayfield right now for what he’s asked to do.

There were names thrown out that were referenced as being better than Jones on here, I want to say Nick Mullens. And that just isn’t fair. He’s done more than that.

It’s not a “Jones should stay” thread, but he deserves some credit. His legs allowed Kafka to call the game he called.


Looks to me like he's turning into Alex Smith.

Took Smith awhile to get going and with the right coach.

Also - DJ looks like he's more confident handling both the ball and pressure.
RE: RE: I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/3/2022 8:36 am : link
In comment 15842161 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15842149 cosmicj said:


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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.




I think it’s interesting and telling Tyrod comes in and they immediately went down field


And threw a pick.
Here we go again with the Jones crap  
AnnapolisMike : 10/3/2022 8:42 am : link
The biggest issue in my mind with Jones at this point is availability. The guy will not slide and that is a recipe for injury in the NFL.

If this injury is minor and he misses little time I think he is on his way to being the QB of the Giants next year. He stats are so/so. But he is leading a questionable team to wins.
Our WR Corp  
HMunster : 10/3/2022 8:49 am : link
Darius Slayton
Richie James
David Sills
Kenny Golladay

Golladay didn't catch a single pass and is basically non-existent. Meanwhile the rest of the crew would never even start on any other NFL team.

Our leading receiver was rookie TE Bellinger. TE Tanner Hudson had more receiving yards than anyone of the WR's.

Who exactly sould Jones be throwing those deep passes to? Can anyone on this team get some separation? Does he have a Davante Adams? Stephan Diggs? Cooper Kupp? Justin Jefferson? He has absolutely no one and somehow still found a way to win.

I'm not saying he's the long term answer. But what's clear to me is that if you give him a little more protection and one or two NFL level WRs, you can most certainly win with him.

RE: I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
Now Mike in MD : 10/3/2022 8:49 am : link
In comment 15842149 cosmicj said:
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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.


How was the pass to Slayton inaccurate. Last time I checked hitting a WR in both hands qualifies as an accurate pass.
RE: Jones is playing adequately  
Now Mike in MD : 10/3/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15842313 lax counsel said:
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With the limited tasks he’s been assigned by coaches. He’s being asked not to turn the ball over And limit his ability open up the offense. You can win with this type of football in the right situations, which is what the giants are doing right now. Jones is a limited downfield passer which has shown this season again. What’s happening at the moment very much reminds me of Harbaugh and Alex Smith in 2011. Keep the qb in a small box and limit his ability to make a killer mistake. It’s working so kudos to this staff.


How are you able to know that the decision to not go downfield is a lack of faith in DJ's ability to throw downfield versus WRs unable to get open downfield. You can't. You're assuming, but I think it's a better assumption that Sills, James, and the other members of the parade of horribles that is our WR room cannot seprate downfield.
Will have to look at replays, but I thought the Jones pass to Slayton  
Jimmy Googs : 10/3/2022 8:55 am : link
was underthrown but he saw that and slowed up enough and it still hit him in the hands nonetheless...catch the ball.

The Taylor throw for an interception. I thought our receiver was getting pulled down from behind by the one defender and couldn't compete for the ball at the very end. No?

I liked both balls going downfield though for a change. And the latter one wound up being helpful since it was like a good punt and backed them up on the goaline.

RE: RE: I just don’t understand why Jones’ passing gets any praise  
cosmicj : 10/3/2022 9:18 am : link
In comment 15843489 Now Mike in MD said:
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In comment 15842149 cosmicj said:


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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.

I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.

I don’t get it Sean.




How was the pass to Slayton inaccurate. Last time I checked hitting a WR in both hands qualifies as an accurate pass.


Slayton had to adjust and slow down when he had his CB beat.

It’s like Giants fans have forgotten what quality NFL passing is.
RE: RE: Same here. I have also been labeled a Jones hater  
Mike from Ohio : 10/3/2022 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15842576 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15842148 Mike from Ohio said:


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...I have not changed my view on not re-signing him next year, but the kid has some talent and he can carve himself a nice career with it. It’s ok to acknowledge that he has good games and bad games, and these last two were pretty good.


Agree all three clauses above, Mike. And, yes, your posts have put you squarely in the header category (:

Props to you and Sean for being upfront and fair, unlike some. I did think you started one of the worst threads this year (think it was a thread and not just a post) a couple of weeks ago in which you argued, questioned, re. the Jones defenders, why was it Golladay wasn't receiving equal defenders, tantamount to equating Golladay with Jones in their 'contributions' to the team. Even christian, another very good poster, said, excellent post. I may have the nuance of the equation wrong but the gist was unmistakable. It was jaw dropping to me.

We agree Jones' has shortcomings and it is easy to see why Schoen and Daboll may well want to move on from him. But their hands may be tied, hamstrung, in getting at a top tier prospect.


It was probably jaw dropping to you because you misunderstood it. I never compared Jones contribution to the team to Golladay’s or equated them. Not even a little.

What I asked (in a post, not a thread) was “How can we not evaluate Jones because the players around him suck?” When it is clear that we can fully evaluate Golladay with literally the exact same team around him?

Chicken and the egg question. Both have poor production, both depend on the other to produce, but one is clearly bad and the other a mystery?
RE: Here we go again with the Jones crap  
section125 : 10/4/2022 6:11 am : link
In comment 15843471 AnnapolisMike said:
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The biggest issue in my mind with Jones at this point is availability. The guy will not slide and that is a recipe for injury in the NFL.

If this injury is minor and he misses little time I think he is on his way to being the QB of the Giants next year. He stats are so/so. But he is leading a questionable team to wins.


Hilarious in that it was TT that got clunked on the noggin on a run by not protecting himself. Jones got rolled up on what amounts to a sack...and Jones slid a few times.
RE: RE: Here we go again with the Jones crap  
eclipz928 : 10/4/2022 6:34 am : link
In comment 15845281 section125 said:
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In comment 15843471 AnnapolisMike said:


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The biggest issue in my mind with Jones at this point is availability. The guy will not slide and that is a recipe for injury in the NFL.

If this injury is minor and he misses little time I think he is on his way to being the QB of the Giants next year. He stats are so/so. But he is leading a questionable team to wins.



Hilarious in that it was TT that got clunked on the noggin on a run by not protecting himself. Jones got rolled up on what amounts to a sack...and Jones slid a few times.

I can't fault Taylor for that play. At that point he was just trying to get the first down and seal the game - he likely doesn't risk his body in another scenario.

But it's irrefutable at this point that Daniel Jones is just injury prone. The reason why he gets injured so much isn't really even important.
RE: RE: RE: Here we go again with the Jones crap  
section125 : 10/4/2022 6:46 am : link
In comment 15845291 eclipz928 said:
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In comment 15845281 section125 said:


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In comment 15843471 AnnapolisMike said:


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The biggest issue in my mind with Jones at this point is availability. The guy will not slide and that is a recipe for injury in the NFL.

If this injury is minor and he misses little time I think he is on his way to being the QB of the Giants next year. He stats are so/so. But he is leading a questionable team to wins.



Hilarious in that it was TT that got clunked on the noggin on a run by not protecting himself. Jones got rolled up on what amounts to a sack...and Jones slid a few times.


I can't fault Taylor for that play. At that point he was just trying to get the first down and seal the game - he likely doesn't risk his body in another scenario.

But it's irrefutable at this point that Daniel Jones is just injury prone. The reason why he gets injured so much isn't really even important.


I think of all the reasons to move on from Jones, his inability to stay healthy is the most important. He has absolutely improved under Daboll, but the injury bug pops up again.
It is ironic that Schoen and Daboll, knowing Jones injury history, signed TT to a biggish backup QB contract and then TT goes out and gets injured about 12 plays after he steps on the field.

And I did not have an issue with TT going for the 1st down. It was necessary at that point of the game.
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