I try to be fluid in my opinions, and I know I’ve been labeled a “Jones hater” by some, but I want to state these two opinions:
1. Daniel Jones was really good today. He doesn’t suck like some say, he’s not a loser as some say. He has a legitimate NFL skill set and you can win with him. I loved the designed runs today, and he made some really nice throws. I hope his injury isn’t serious.
2. Often times posters want to trade players for anything. I’m sorry, but trading Saquon Barkley for a 3rd round pick is ridiculous. Would you trade Barkley for Matt Peart (who was a 3rd rounder)? There is no way I’m just giving this guy away.
Thrilled to be 3-1.
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It was different...but with all the injuries...good GRITTY win.
Some will scoff. That’s their prerogative as fans. Even if they’re idiotic fans.
Another gutsy game from #8.
He's tough as nails and a competitor. He did nothing to lose this game today and did his best with the receivers he had.
But good lord saying that he's the long term solution. After this game...
I wanted SB traded heading into this season. However, I've changed my stance on that.
The fucking absolutes people on here throw around is ridiculous
Jones - jury is still out on going longer, it’s a QB decision that Daboll and Schoen both probably realize defines their regime and it’s future.
He's tough as nails and a competitor. He did nothing to lose this game today and did his best with the receivers he had.
But good lord saying that he's the long term solution. After this game...
that's not what he said at all
Some will scoff. That’s their prerogative as fans. Even if they’re idiotic fans.
Another gutsy game from #8.
Give Kafka credit too. He kept calling the right bootlegs and play action calls were on point. Couple of the runs Jones and Barkley had were almost easy.
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This is the game you're going to hang your hat on with Jones?
He's tough as nails and a competitor. He did nothing to lose this game today and did his best with the receivers he had.
But good lord saying that he's the long term solution. After this game...
that's not what he said at all
"He has a legitimate NFL skill set and you can win with him. "
Well then that's a weird way of saying he's not a QB you build your future around
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This is the game you're going to hang your hat on with Jones?
He's tough as nails and a competitor. He did nothing to lose this game today and did his best with the receivers he had.
But good lord saying that he's the long term solution. After this game...
that's not what he said at all
"He has a legitimate NFL skill set and you can win with him. "
Well then that's a weird way of saying he's not a QB you build your future around
he was referring to how he doesn't outright suck like some people say, and it's possible to win with him in the NFL in general. nothing relative to the Giants keeping him after this game and his performance. improve your reading comprehension bro, you've been on a roll this week
However, he’s not awful as some have said (I’ve been critical too). We’ve had posters say QB’s who are now out of the league are better. That’s not fair.
Remember, the trade deadline is Nov. 1st and trading Barkley essentially means that the Giants are giving up on the season, with 9 games left to play.
As for this game being some sort of "mind changer" on Jones... let's get real.
Bears weren't setting the edge in the first half and those 2 TD runs were there for the taking.
Meanwhile, I think I saw that Jones only passed for 84 yards.
Not putting Jones down, as he's working with crappy WRs at this point, but again, I don't know how anyone changes their mind about Jones after this game.
This! 71 yards won't cut it.
That’s true. It’s a specific game you need to win. However, Jones skill set allowed that today.
Ultimately it’s about throwing the ball.
Why pretend we have any receivers.
Consistency.
Availability.
The rest of the year matters. More games like today than not, and I'm in. I want to see more.
Jones played a really good game today. Anyone saying anything else isn’t being honest. He does have talent, and his running is legit dangerous.
I have not changed my view on not re-signing him next year, but the kid has some talent and he can carve himself a nice career with it. It’s ok to acknowledge that he has good games and bad games, and these last two were pretty good.
I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.
I don’t get it Sean.
I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.
I don’t get it Sean.
I think it’s interesting and telling Tyrod comes in and they immediately went down field
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He completed a bunch of easy short passes. When they go downfield to Slayton, Jones throws an inaccurate toss.
I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.
I don’t get it Sean.
I think it’s interesting and telling Tyrod comes in and they immediately went down field
It is...and he threw a pick. Almost like there is a reason Jones doesn't throw into coverage.
I think the stats correctly portray Jones’ day: very good straight line running —and a passing game that looks straight out of the 1960s.
I don’t get it Sean.
He hit Slayton in the hands...unbelievable...
Jones has thrown so many passes in the outstretched hands of Slayton that Slayton has dropped...God for bid an NFL WR have to make an adjustment and catch a ball that hits him in both hands.
Bullshit. Slayton had separated from the DB. It was a carch every pro WR should make
2. Trading Saquon for a third round pick is lunacy. This team is 0-4 without Saquon easy.
It's a major concern if the ankle injury impacts his ability to run.
Saquon playing for big money contract. Looks great. Let someone else make the mistake of signing him long term. The contract he’ll want will not pay off. No rb contracts do.
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This game plan probably doesn’t work in any other game this year
That’s true. It’s a specific game you need to win. However, Jones skill set allowed that today.
Ultimately it’s about throwing the ball.
Nobody says he has to be the starter. What if we find our franchise QB on the franchise QB tree that is growing somewhere.
Having DJ as a solid backup at the right price would be a good thing. He would probably be the best backup in the league.
If there are teams willing to pay him $$ to be their starter, then we can let him go if we have a better alternative.
Agree all three clauses above, Mike. And, yes, your posts have put you squarely in the header category (:
Props to you and Sean for being upfront and fair, unlike some. I did think you started one of the worst threads this year (think it was a thread and not just a post) a couple of weeks ago in which you argued, questioned, re. the Jones defenders, why was it Golladay wasn't receiving equal defenders, tantamount to equating Golladay with Jones in their 'contributions' to the team. Even christian, another very good poster, said, excellent post. I may have the nuance of the equation wrong but the gist was unmistakable. It was jaw dropping to me.
We agree Jones' has shortcomings and it is easy to see why Schoen and Daboll may well want to move on from him. But their hands may be tied, hamstrung, in getting at a top tier prospect.
Sorry cos, but just because Jones didn’t lead him doesn’t mean it was a bad pass. Slayton still should have caught it, with or without the interference.
And I would add, if I’m the Bears’ HC, I’d consider firing my DC. Their backside defense was fucking embarrassing.
And I would add, if I’m the Bears’ HC, I’d consider firing my DC. Their backside defense was fucking embarrassing.
This is the best way to win for this personnel. Kafka called a great game and Jones executed.
This was the best designed offensive gamelan all year. To win a game with the WRs they had out there, and then without a QB was awesome.
He only threw 13X, 71 yards, 0 TDs and a 5+ YPA.
My guess is the running overall, the rushing TDs and no turnovers carried a lot of weight.
We had a rough WR group as it was. Then, you remove Shepard, Toney and Robinson from the equation and factor in that Kenny Golladay is one of the worst FA signings in team history in addition to one of the weakest TE groups in the league, and you're left with a group of total question marks.
I said before the year started that to get the most out of Jones, the Giants would need to utilize his legs more. Bootlegs, designed keeps, etc. Exactly what we saw today. The problem is that playing this way with Jones is going to land him on the sidelines more often than not.
But until he has more reliable pass-catchers, this is going to be one of the only ways the Giants can keep moving the ball.
It sucks that in a year where we really need to know what we do or don't have, he's going to be so hard to evaluate due to circumstances beyond his control.
Gun to my head, I still don't think he's the guy long-term... but I've seen things from him the last couple of weeks that say he's still got some room to grow and get better and he does have some good tools.
I'd love to see the guy with a respectable group of skill players and a decent line.
There were names thrown out that were referenced as being better than Jones on here, I want to say Nick Mullens. And that just isn’t fair. He’s done more than that.
It’s not a “Jones should stay” thread, but he deserves some credit. His legs allowed Kafka to call the game he called.