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I am tired of the trade Barkley threads, sign him

Maryland Blows : 10/2/2022 5:59 pm
Lock him up and shut up. He is the difference between us being 3-1 on 0-4. He is is a difference maker. Like any star in this league he has to stay healthy. The naysayers will still say he should not have been drafted that high and we should have gone QB. They did it get over it you can’t change it. He is here and I hope he is here for another 7 healthy years!! Sign him now.
Lets see if he can play  
TommyWiseau : 10/2/2022 6:00 pm : link
A full season first before we pay him
I've been beating this drum since I can remember  
adamg : 10/2/2022 6:05 pm : link
Franchise him. Franchise him again. And then if he's still healthy, sign him or move on and take the comp pick.
I agree  
NJBlueTuna : 10/2/2022 6:07 pm : link
There is zero chance the giants let him go. Zero. Been saying that since august.
Buy high, sell low  
widmerseyebrow : 10/2/2022 6:08 pm : link
That's why most people aren't good at investing.
Why don’t you like Maryland?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/2/2022 6:09 pm : link
Answer honestly and then we’ll address your OP...
RE: Why don’t you like Maryland?  
Maryland Blows : 10/2/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15842555 Jimmy Googs said:
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Answer honestly and then we’ll address your OP...


Jimmy you are one of the morons who have hated Barkley. Good job!
RE: Lets see if he can play  
XtraCredit29 : 10/2/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15842522 TommyWiseau said:
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A full season first before we pay him


Exactly this.
RE: RE: Why don’t you like Maryland?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/2/2022 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15842589 Maryland Blows said:
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Answer honestly and then we’ll address your OP...



Jimmy you are one of the morons who have hated Barkley. Good job!


I don’t hate Barkley at all. I just don’t subscribe to using too much value on RBs when you are a rebuilding team. Via high draft picks or expensive second contracts. They have as much value as bad posters.

Now, why do you hate Maryland?
i love Barkley  
Producer : 10/2/2022 6:26 pm : link
I'd trade him for a first round pick to a contender.
RE: i love Barkley  
Sean : 10/2/2022 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15842606 Producer said:
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I'd trade him for a first round pick to a contender.

You’ve changed your tune a bit. A few weeks ago it was “he’s a RB, no one is giving up a first.”
No  
eugibs : 10/2/2022 6:29 pm : link
Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…
RE: I've been beating this drum since I can remember  
islander1 : 10/2/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15842541 adamg said:
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Franchise him. Franchise him again. And then if he's still healthy, sign him or move on and take the comp pick.


This is where I am. Keep him for two years at franchise, unless he's willing to take say a 4 year deal at nice pay.

Open market someone will pay him for 5-6 years, I know it, but it can't be us.

 
UConn4523 : 10/2/2022 6:32 pm : link
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RE: RE: Lets see if he can play  
bradshaw44 : 10/2/2022 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15842590 XtraCredit29 said:
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A full season first before we pay him



Exactly this.


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This is Mara's type of player.  
give66 : 10/2/2022 6:55 pm : link
He will be resigned.
I'd put my money on him getting tagged twice  
ArcadeSlumlord : 10/2/2022 8:00 pm : link
I think they view him favorably for two more years but not reupping with injury history for 5. Just my 2 cents.
Exactly  
MDJintsFan : 10/2/2022 8:07 pm : link
Re-sign him and build the offense around him. He is the core of this team. Stop thinking you're going to find some WR to make the Giants a passing threat in the near future. If your thinking about building a team, Barkley has to be the center of it. Anything less at this point and your saying this year is just a meaningless year. If Barkley is truly a once in a decade back, then you have to make the identity of this team a running team, not a passing team.
RE: Exactly  
Maryland Blows : 10/2/2022 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15842839 MDJintsFan said:
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Re-sign him and build the offense around him. He is the core of this team. Stop thinking you're going to find some WR to make the Giants a passing threat in the near future. If your thinking about building a team, Barkley has to be the center of it. Anything less at this point and your saying this year is just a meaningless year. If Barkley is truly a once in a decade back, then you have to make the identity of this team a running team, not a passing team.


+1
RE: I'd put my money on him getting tagged twice  
rasbutant : 10/2/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15842832 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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I think they view him favorably for two more years but not reupping with injury history for 5. Just my 2 cents.


You realize that two franchise tags is about 28M guaranteed. CMC contract has 38mil guaranteed. So for an extra 10 million dollars guaranteed you get better CAP flexibility, have him under team control for 4 or 5 years and a happy player ( no one wants to be tagged twice).

Just to illustrate further what I’m talking about.

Your way:
2023 = 13M against the cap
2024 = 15M against the cap
2025 = FA

My way
2023 = 8M against the cap
2024 = 8M against the cap
2025 = 22M Dead

Yup looks like a lot of dead right, however this is worst case, yup I paid 10M more over two years. However. I m betting that I get more then Two years out of him, and I have a happy player. I also have him locked up beyond 2yrs with little guarantees. Basically a serie of club options. I also pushed the CAP hit down the road into the future when the CAP will be higher.


And that assumes they pay him that much!

Point is you need to look at the guarantees.
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sharp315 : 10/2/2022 10:21 pm : link
I agree with 100% with you OP. How could anyone be excited for the remainder of this season is Saquon is gone? He has almost 50% of offensive yards. Why would anyone be excited to give that away?
I love watching him play  
djm : 10/2/2022 10:24 pm : link
He looks like the best player in football or one of the guys sitting at that table with the other all pros. So fun to watch and he wants it more than anyone. Trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder wtf is wrong with people.

You can’t predict injuries so save that shit. Weak argument. Everyone gets hurt and guys like Barkley aren’t fungible — just no.
He's been excellent; no doubt about it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/2/2022 10:26 pm : link
This is the Barkley I've wanted to see more from 2019 to now. Not that I expect him to great every week, especially with the OL's we've had and some of these coaches, but definitely more this Barkley than 2019-2021 Barkley (not counting the big injury, of course).
RE: No  
sharp315 : 10/2/2022 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15842622 eugibs said:
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Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…

Sorry, but I have a hard time believing there are real "fans" that think like this..... please tell me you're just shitposting for fun.
RE: RE: i love Barkley  
Producer : 10/3/2022 1:03 am : link
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I'd trade him for a first round pick to a contender.


You’ve changed your tune a bit. A few weeks ago it was “he’s a RB, no one is giving up a first.”


I don't think so. You may be thinking of somebody else's comments. I've been pretty consistent I think about Barkley and RBs.

1. Barkley is a great talent but he wasn't worth the 2nd pick in the draft - especially for a bad team.
2. I might have said, Barkley wouldn't net a high pick because of his injuries and recent history.
3. But Barkley has rebounded spectacularly and I think a contender would and should consider trading a first, at this juncture, for Barkley. Could you imagine him with Mahomes or Allen?
RE: RE: No  
eugibs : 10/3/2022 7:29 am : link
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Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…


Sorry, but I have a hard time believing there are real "fans" that think like this..... please tell me you're just shitposting for fun.


Yes, we all know real “fans” ignore the fact that every team that has ever signed a veteran running back to a huge contract has come to regret it and that this particular player has spent most of his career injured and underperforming. Go ahead, sign him up. Congrats on being a real “fan.”
I’m not sure that I would sign a player long term  
giantBCP : 10/3/2022 7:32 am : link
who was clearly holding back last season in order to play at a higher level in a contract year. Just franchise him and move on.
Perfect time to trade him  
madeinstars : 10/3/2022 7:33 am : link
This team is miles away from being good. Barkley having a great start to the season is perfect for his value. Trading him while his value is highest makes much more sense than signing him while his value is highest.
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Maryland Blows : 10/3/2022 8:08 am : link
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Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…


Sorry, but I have a hard time believing there are real "fans" that think like this..... please tell me you're just shitposting for fun.



Yes, we all know real “fans” ignore the fact that every team that has ever signed a veteran running back to a huge contract has come to regret it and that this particular player has spent most of his career injured and underperforming. Go ahead, sign him up. Congrats on being a real “fan.”


This is the problem I have with people like you on this board.
1. The idea it to win games does Barkley let you do That? ABSOLUTELYY!
2. So we trade him for picks, are you sure the picks you get are going to work out? Yes or No? Answer No, there is no guarantee a late pick in the 1st or 2nd round does anything.
3. The players you trade for is there an guarantee they won’t get hurt yes or no ? No this is a physical sport and injuries can and will happen.
4. Is Barkley one of not only the best player on this team but in the NFL. Do you need those players to win Yes or No? Yes, so now that we have one let’s get rid of him. Let us not try to bring in more let us get rid of what we have.
5. When recruiting players is it easier to recruit guys to teams that have a chance to win or lose? Simple Win
6. Is it easier to get players to buy in to a coaching staff always rebuilding or one that knows what they are doing and win. I’ll take one that is winning thank you.
The idea is to win games Barkley gives you that best chance. Sign him!
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Maryland Blows : 10/3/2022 8:23 am : link
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Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…


Sorry, but I have a hard time believing there are real "fans" that think like this..... please tell me you're just shitposting for fun.



Yes, we all know real “fans” ignore the fact that every team that has ever signed a veteran running back to a huge contract has come to regret it and that this particular player has spent most of his career injured and underperforming. Go ahead, sign him up. Congrats on being a real “fan.”


This is the problem I have with people like you on this board.
1. The idea it to win games does Barkley let you do That? ABSOLUTELYY!
2. So we trade him for picks, are you sure the picks you get are going to work out? Yes or No? Answer No, there is no guarantee a late pick in the 1st or 2nd round does anything.
3. The players you trade for is there an guarantee they won’t get hurt yes or no ? No this is a physical sport and injuries can and will happen.
4. Is Barkley one of not only the best player on this team but in the NFL. Do you need those players to win Yes or No? Yes, so now that we have one let’s get rid of him. Let us not try to bring in more let us get rid of what we have.
5. When recruiting players is it easier to recruit guys to teams that have a chance to win or lose? Simple Win
6. Is it easier to get players to buy in to a coaching staff always rebuilding or one that knows what they are doing and win. I’ll take one that is winning thank you.
The idea is to win games Barkley gives you that best chance. Sign him!
The problem I have with people like you on this board  
Jimmy Googs : 10/3/2022 8:27 am : link
is you won't answer a simple question, like why you hate Maryland?
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eugibs : 10/3/2022 9:28 am : link
In comment 15843451 Maryland Blows said:
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Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…


Sorry, but I have a hard time believing there are real "fans" that think like this..... please tell me you're just shitposting for fun.



Yes, we all know real “fans” ignore the fact that every team that has ever signed a veteran running back to a huge contract has come to regret it and that this particular player has spent most of his career injured and underperforming. Go ahead, sign him up. Congrats on being a real “fan.”



This is the problem I have with people like you on this board.
1. The idea it to win games does Barkley let you do That? ABSOLUTELYY!
2. So we trade him for picks, are you sure the picks you get are going to work out? Yes or No? Answer No, there is no guarantee a late pick in the 1st or 2nd round does anything.
3. The players you trade for is there an guarantee they won’t get hurt yes or no ? No this is a physical sport and injuries can and will happen.
4. Is Barkley one of not only the best player on this team but in the NFL. Do you need those players to win Yes or No? Yes, so now that we have one let’s get rid of him. Let us not try to bring in more let us get rid of what we have.
5. When recruiting players is it easier to recruit guys to teams that have a chance to win or lose? Simple Win
6. Is it easier to get players to buy in to a coaching staff always rebuilding or one that knows what they are doing and win. I’ll take one that is winning thank you.
The idea is to win games Barkley gives you that best chance. Sign him!


I like the numbered arguments. Makes it easy to respond.

1. I don't know what you mean by Barkley "lets" the Giants win games. Are you saying he is the difference between wins and losses? If so, the Giants have been terrible win/loss wise since Barkley arrived. Not saying they lose because of Barkley, but he certainly has not translated into more wins for the team over the course of his career. If the Giants win 10+ games this year on the back of Barkley, perhaps it would be time to reconsider, but long way to go on that.

2. No, there is no guarantee a draft pick works out. My point is that Barkley should not be resigned because he has a track record of injuries and ineffectiveness playing at a position with an average career length of 5 years and, as I mentioned in my prior post, no big contract for a veteran running back has ever been a good move in retrospect (they all look great at the time though, coming off usually the running back's best season). If he is not part of the long term plan, then getting a draft pick for him is better than not getting one.

3. It depends who the player is and what position they play. A blanket statement that there is no possible player-for-player swap involving Barkley that could work to the Giants advantage seems obviously wrong to me.

4. I don't agree that Barkley is one of the best players in the NFL. Would anyone have made that argument with a straight face a month ago? You are overreacting to a small sample. Let's see him do it for 17 games.

5. You are going to give Barkley a cap-busting long term contract because maybe it factors into some unnamed free agent's decision when picking a team? 9.5 out of 10 times players sign with the team that offers the most money.
Also, the Giants should be focused on building through the draft. If the Giants nail a few drafts and are an up and coming team, to the limited extent that even matters to free agents, the Giants will be fine.

6. I don't know what this one means. The coaching staff will find it easier to coach players if the team is winning and having Barkley means the team will be winning? If so, see response to point 1. Barkley has not been a winning player over the course of his career. Two coaches have been fired while he has been on the team. Seems like, again, this entire point is based off the last month.
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sharp315 : 10/3/2022 10:33 am : link
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Run him into the ground this year and then let some other stupid team sign him. Also, he could still easily get injured this season. Still 13 games to go…


Sorry, but I have a hard time believing there are real "fans" that think like this..... please tell me you're just shitposting for fun.



Yes, we all know real “fans” ignore the fact that every team that has ever signed a veteran running back to a huge contract has come to regret it and that this particular player has spent most of his career injured and underperforming. Go ahead, sign him up. Congrats on being a real “fan.”



This is the problem I have with people like you on this board.
1. The idea it to win games does Barkley let you do That? ABSOLUTELYY!
2. So we trade him for picks, are you sure the picks you get are going to work out? Yes or No? Answer No, there is no guarantee a late pick in the 1st or 2nd round does anything.
3. The players you trade for is there an guarantee they won’t get hurt yes or no ? No this is a physical sport and injuries can and will happen.
4. Is Barkley one of not only the best player on this team but in the NFL. Do you need those players to win Yes or No? Yes, so now that we have one let’s get rid of him. Let us not try to bring in more let us get rid of what we have.
5. When recruiting players is it easier to recruit guys to teams that have a chance to win or lose? Simple Win
6. Is it easier to get players to buy in to a coaching staff always rebuilding or one that knows what they are doing and win. I’ll take one that is winning thank you.
The idea is to win games Barkley gives you that best chance. Sign him!



I like the numbered arguments. Makes it easy to respond.

1. I don't know what you mean by Barkley "lets" the Giants win games. Are you saying he is the difference between wins and losses? If so, the Giants have been terrible win/loss wise since Barkley arrived. Not saying they lose because of Barkley, but he certainly has not translated into more wins for the team over the course of his career. If the Giants win 10+ games this year on the back of Barkley, perhaps it would be time to reconsider, but long way to go on that.

2. No, there is no guarantee a draft pick works out. My point is that Barkley should not be resigned because he has a track record of injuries and ineffectiveness playing at a position with an average career length of 5 years and, as I mentioned in my prior post, no big contract for a veteran running back has ever been a good move in retrospect (they all look great at the time though, coming off usually the running back's best season). If he is not part of the long term plan, then getting a draft pick for him is better than not getting one.

3. It depends who the player is and what position they play. A blanket statement that there is no possible player-for-player swap involving Barkley that could work to the Giants advantage seems obviously wrong to me.

4. I don't agree that Barkley is one of the best players in the NFL. Would anyone have made that argument with a straight face a month ago? You are overreacting to a small sample. Let's see him do it for 17 games.

5. You are going to give Barkley a cap-busting long term contract because maybe it factors into some unnamed free agent's decision when picking a team? 9.5 out of 10 times players sign with the team that offers the most money.
Also, the Giants should be focused on building through the draft. If the Giants nail a few drafts and are an up and coming team, to the limited extent that even matters to free agents, the Giants will be fine.

6. I don't know what this one means. The coaching staff will find it easier to coach players if the team is winning and having Barkley means the team will be winning? If so, see response to point 1. Barkley has not been a winning player over the course of his career. Two coaches have been fired while he has been on the team. Seems like, again, this entire point is based off the last month.

Why do you even bother watching football if your reaction to any success this team has had in a decade is to tear the team down to the studs? Is that really your gut reaction to the Giants going 3-1? Kind of sad, to be honest.

Here are some various responses to your maligned views:

- Saquon is close to 50% of the team's total offensive production. I have no clue how this offense would even move the ball this year without him and especially now that Shep is gone and DJ might be out a week or two with the ankle.

- Here are some current RBs on 2nd contracts that are still at the top of their game: Derrick Henry (remember when he was named Offensive Player of the Year in 2020? You probably don't), Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, Zek, Austin Ekeler. OK that argument only took me about 10 seconds to refute and I didn't even have to go back into the archives.

- Saquon not a top player in the NFL? Really? Not sure how many games you're watching but he's right up there and also was in 2018 and 2019.
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eugibs : 10/3/2022 11:34 am : link
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Why do you even bother watching football if your reaction to any success this team has had in a decade is to tear the team down to the studs? Is that really your gut reaction to the Giants going 3-1? Kind of sad, to be honest.

Here are some various responses to your maligned views:

- Saquon is close to 50% of the team's total offensive production. I have no clue how this offense would even move the ball this year without him and especially now that Shep is gone and DJ might be out a week or two with the ankle.

- Here are some current RBs on 2nd contracts that are still at the top of their game: Derrick Henry (remember when he was named Offensive Player of the Year in 2020? You probably don't), Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, Zek, Austin Ekeler. OK that argument only took me about 10 seconds to refute and I didn't even have to go back into the archives.

- Saquon not a top player in the NFL? Really? Not sure how many games you're watching but he's right up there and also was in 2018 and 2019.


Opting not to resign Barkley is not "tearing the team down to its studs." It is about understanding resource allocation. The core for the future is Andrew Thomas and the new regime's draft picks (if they work out). The Giants started a rebuild in 2018 with Barkley as the cornerstone of that rebuild. Some of us said it was insane to try to build a team in the modern NFL around a running back and we were correct. The results over the last four years speak for themselves. A month of strong play from Barkley does not change any of that. As I said above, feed him the ball every week and let's see what he can do. If he does this for 17 games and carries the Giants to the playoffs, maybe a franchise tag would be in order.

Also, the Elliott contract is atrocious.
BArkley is not Zeke Elliot  
djm : 10/3/2022 3:09 pm : link
Barkley is STILL under 1000 total touches for his career--he's at 743 rushes at this point. Zeke is currently OVER 2000 touches--1709 of them on the ground. When he was re-signed he was likely well over 1200 rushes or close to it.

Can we at least acknowledge that many players struggle to play well into their 30s no matter what the position? Ok fine, MAYBE the RB hits a wall a little bit faster but not every RB is literally the most talented RB in the game. No player is the same. And excuse while I laugh at the fans that insist that guards and corners and pass-rushers are the safer long term investment and RBs are so fungible. How has this approach worked for NYG the last 10 years? Guys like Tuck and OSi and SNee all ran out of gas by 30. We also haven't had a good RB since 2012 or so. If it was so fungible, where's our plug and play star RB the last ten years and where are all those long term "safe" investments? Where's Beckham? Shit even guys like Martinez couldn't wait to blow out their knee midway through their big contract here.

You keep guys like Barkley unless there is a legit and well founded fear of injury, not made up stuff or fear from an injury that occurred 2 years ago, and counting.

also  
djm : 10/3/2022 3:12 pm : link
all these so called bad contracts for Dallas. Yet they keep on winning. NYG lfans love to laugh at them in January. Dallas fans have been laughing at us Sept-January.

We should be so lucky. I wish Zeke wasn't there last monday night I will say that. He is still the engine that drives that offense no matter how gaga people get over Tony Friggin Pollard.
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