We had good news today in the Giants-Bears game, so hopefully things carry over into this game. The third and final game of this series starts in a little over an hour. It's the last chance for the Mets to exit this series the same way they entered it: in control of their destiny to win the division. The game will be on ESPN and is the game of the year up until this point for the Mets.
Lindor and McNeil are hitting 2nd and 3rd respectively. Pete's back at cleanup an Escobar is hitting behind him. McCann is catching and hitting 9th. Luis G is at 2B. Vogey's DHing again and hitting 6th. Wish Marte was here. The friggin Pirates may hav cost Marte the season if this keeps up. Bottom line: multiple players in the Mets' lineup need to step up tonight or their hopes for the division which they lead for almost all of this season are toast.
If the Braves win tonight, they can clinch the division tomorrow with a victory in Miami. Their magic number to win the division would be just one. Now if the Mets win the game tonight, their magic number would be 3 going into the last series of the season against the Nats at Citi. none of that matters though unless they win this game tonight. The other 5 MLB division raves have been decided. This one is at a tipping point tonight, one way or the other.
October 2nd, 2022 - Starting Lineups and pitchers - Mets at Braves - 7:08 pm EST start from Atlanta
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Eric from BBI, ban heeeem!!!!!
Go out starting tonight and win 4 baseball games in a row, 3 of which against an inferior team and you can take a week off and tune up.
Let’s go!
Go out starting tonight and win 4 baseball games in a row, 3 of which against an inferior team and you can take a week off and tune up.
Let’s go!
That's basically it.
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I don't have a good feeling about this one.
But big picture..it's been a great season and we are in the playoffs no matter what happens...lot of baseball left!
Do my eyes deceive me? Vogelbach hit a HR? One of our trade deadline
employees came through. How improbable.
I’m keeping track for mental torture later tonight when I can’t sleep over this damn game.
Mcneil is at .324
Would love to see the Squirrel win the batting title
Mcneil is at .324
Would love to see the Squirrel win the batting title
im hoping he gets at least 1 of batting title / gold glove.
chicks digging the long ball tonight.
@Joelsherman1
Jeff McNeil now 2-for-2 with a HR. Average up to .32567. NL leader Freddie Freeman: .32666.
the scored first the last 2 games. tonight a script reversal so far.
They pretty much ruined another chance to deliver a real gut punch.
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He is hitting .327
Mcneil is at .324
Would love to see the Squirrel win the batting title
im hoping he gets at least 1 of batting title / gold glove.
chicks digging the long ball tonight.
Where would he get the GG?? The new utility award?
Pop-up, strikeout, weak grounder?
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He is hitting .327
Mcneil is at .324
Would love to see the Squirrel win the batting title
im hoping he gets at least 1 of batting title / gold glove.
chicks digging the long ball tonight.
Where would he get the GG?? The new utility award?
I actually do believe there should be a GG for a utility guy.
As Bassitt gives up a leadoff single. Can we have a lead for at least one inning?
I was just thinking the same thing.
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He is hitting .327
Mcneil is at .324
Would love to see the Squirrel win the batting title
im hoping he gets at least 1 of batting title / gold glove.
chicks digging the long ball tonight.
Where would he get the GG?? The new utility award?
I actually do believe there should be a GG for a utility guy.
There is this year...first year
I don't have a good feeling about this one.
But big picture..it's been a great season and we are in the playoffs no matter what happens...lot of baseball left!
4-1 might have gotten me to feel good, but still don't
+1, Me too. I'm so finished with McCann.
I'd sign up for 3-2 heading into the 4th right now
And now 2-0
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2 outs and he hits the batter to load the bases.
And now 2-0
Of course, walks in a run. He's been playing with fire the whole game.
He's been behind on the count consistently, all game.
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I’d say unbelievable, but it’s not
He's been behind on the count consistently, all game.
WTF was that?!
There you go, they take the lead, just awful. Awful, awful, awful.
Terribly frustrating series
Mets just not coming up with big hits and Braves have come up with every one of them
Time to start preparing for Padres?
Outhit Braves 8-3 but behind by a run
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You lose.
There you go, they take the lead, just awful. Awful, awful, awful.
He was 0-2 on the batter, and he lost him. Very discouraging.
Not a lack of caring or effort, they are just as disappointed in themselves as we are
Worst case scenario looks like it's about to happen
though I have little faith in May
the offense hasn't kept up with atlanta but 3 days in a row the Sp couldn't put up shut down innings.
honestly at this point im starting to think they need to get the wild card just to get more games to hopefully figure out how to not play like crap.
Not a lack of caring or effort, they are just as disappointed in themselves as we are
Worst case scenario looks like it's about to happen
I don't feel sorry for them at all.
This is why they get paid the big bucks.
Not a lack of caring or effort, they are just as disappointed in themselves as we are
Worst case scenario looks like it's about to happen
I don’t feel bad for them. They are getting paid 50+ million between them this season and they absolutely shit the bed.
Pathetic.
Moze, you're right. I'm just frustrated, disappointed and sad, that a great season has come down to this, but bottom line, I think you're right.
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And deGrom and Scherzer
Not a lack of caring or effort, they are just as disappointed in themselves as we are
Worst case scenario looks like it's about to happen
I don’t feel bad for them. They are getting paid 50+ million between them this season and they absolutely shit the bed.
Pathetic.
As my dad always said..
"You wish you were that pathetic"
Lol
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Too many good moments this year to say anything bad about them, I think you guys are just letting your frustration come out.
Moze, you're right. I'm just frustrated, disappointed and sad, that a great season has come down to this, but bottom line, I think you're right.
It sucks.
Was so excited after that comeback vs Marlins. None of us expected to come get swept...
But if we were told we'd win 98-101 games and get the top WC spot in March, we'd all sign up for that
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Too many good moments this year to say anything bad about them, I think you guys are just letting your frustration come out.
Moze, you're right. I'm just frustrated, disappointed and sad, that a great season has come down to this, but bottom line, I think you're right.
It sucks.
Was so excited after that comeback vs Marlins. None of us expected to come get swept...
But if we were told we'd win 98-101 games and get the top WC spot in March, we'd all sign up for that
Context is everything; they had a 10.5 game lead, so no we don’t feel good about not winning the division and settling for the WC.
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Too many good moments this year to say anything bad about them, I think you guys are just letting your frustration come out.
Moze, you're right. I'm just frustrated, disappointed and sad, that a great season has come down to this, but bottom line, I think you're right.
It sucks.
Was so excited after that comeback vs Marlins. None of us expected to come get swept...
But if we were told we'd win 98-101 games and get the top WC spot in March, we'd all sign up for that
Context is everything; they had a 10.5 game lead, so no we don’t feel good about not winning the division and settling for the WC.
Right which is why I'm telling you to take a step back and look at the big picture
I think point of post went over your head man
So far its been a total choke job - 3 best starters and they all pitch well below their level, no one can hit with runners in scoring position
15-12 in September and most of it against the worst teams in the league
It's hard to like a team that chokes, no matter what they did before.
Oh, shut the F up seriously. You're a douche.
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Too many good moments this year to say anything bad about them, I think you guys are just letting your frustration come out.
Moze, you're right. I'm just frustrated, disappointed and sad, that a great season has come down to this, but bottom line, I think you're right.
It sucks.
Was so excited after that comeback vs Marlins. None of us expected to come get swept...
But if we were told we'd win 98-101 games and get the top WC spot in March, we'd all sign up for that
Context is everything; they had a 10.5 game lead, so no we don’t feel good about not winning the division and settling for the WC.
Speedy, you're right. They had a 10.5 game lead, and they lost it, and it's frustrating and sad.
Regardless of what happens in the game, I want to let you all know how much I've enjoyed and appreciated watching this years games with all of you.
Really, Thank You!
Dennis
Yeesh
Series
Season series
Division
Braves
Biggest payroll this year and still yet non competitive
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They oughta tell baseball they are turning down the WC spot since they dont deserve to be in the playoffs after this pathetic showing [...]
Oh, shut the F up seriously. You're a douche.
and that guy should not watch or post come this friday.
Their top 3 starters let them down. They are built off the backs of those 3 guys. They lined it all up perfect for them and none of them got it done. Disaster.
BUT...they are still in the playoffs. So they have to shake it off and realize they can still do something if they play up to their capabilities.
If they don't then this will be one of the most disappointing endings to a season for the franchise ever. If not the most disappointing.
Biggest payroll this year and still yet non competitive
Lol dude..non competitive??
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Too many good moments this year to say anything bad about them, I think you guys are just letting your frustration come out.
Moze, you're right. I'm just frustrated, disappointed and sad, that a great season has come down to this, but bottom line, I think you're right.
It sucks.
Was so excited after that comeback vs Marlins. None of us expected to come get swept...
But if we were told we'd win 98-101 games and get the top WC spot in March, we'd all sign up for that
Context is everything; they had a 10.5 game lead, so no we don’t feel good about not winning the division and settling for the WC.
Right which is why I'm telling you to take a step back and look at the big picture
I think point of post went over your head man
Nothing went over my head. Your post is a dumb one.
The big picture means nothing without context.
As to March expectations - i would have been VERY disappointed in getting only a WC. I expected them to win 95+ games and the division and get the 1 or 2 seed.
So IMO, getting WC and 4 seed is not that great.
Perhaps i was alone with my expectations, but I’m guessing not.
This. This series has been frustrating, but the Braves are really good. How can you not like this Mets team? They do have a black hole at DH, but they have a bunch of really good and really likable guys.
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After the deadline, while the Mets went backwards, despite several individual record seasons.
Biggest payroll this year and still yet non competitive
Lol dude..non competitive??
This weekend, or rather this week, has been a dud
Series
Season series
Division
Braves
Haha, now THAT’S funny…
All of them can hit 20+ homers, including our TDA.
Scherzer - gave back a lead
JDG - gave back a lead
bassitt and canha haven't done much.
Alonso, McNeil, Escobar showed up and that was pretty much it.
McNeil just got another hit off Iglesias. Alonso up as tying run. Would be nice to see some fight here, still 3 innings left.
Context is everything; they had a 10.5 game lead, so no we don’t feel good about not winning the division and settling for the WC.
Right which is why I'm telling you to take a step back and look at the big picture
I think point of post went over your head man
Nothing went over my head. Your post is a dumb one.
The big picture means nothing without context.
As to March expectations - i would have been VERY disappointed in getting only a WC. I expected them to win 95+ games and the division and get the 1 or 2 seed.
So IMO, getting WC and 4 seed is not that great.
Perhaps i was alone with my expectations, but I’m guessing not.
So you expected 95 wins, but ~100 is a disappointment? OK.
LOL, there is more to offense than BA. His SLG is 475 and OPS of 800; now THOSE are numbers to respect.
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Context is everything; they had a 10.5 game lead, so no we don’t feel good about not winning the division and settling for the WC.
Right which is why I'm telling you to take a step back and look at the big picture
I think point of post went over your head man
Nothing went over my head. Your post is a dumb one.
The big picture means nothing without context.
As to March expectations - i would have been VERY disappointed in getting only a WC. I expected them to win 95+ games and the division and get the 1 or 2 seed.
So IMO, getting WC and 4 seed is not that great.
Perhaps i was alone with my expectations, but I’m guessing not.
So you expected 95 wins, but ~100 is a disappointment? OK.
Did you read the rest of my comment? I expected a division title; THAT is the disappointment.
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And his .240 batting average. Who would respect that bat?
LOL, there is more to offense than BA. His SLG is 475 and OPS of 800; now THOSE are numbers to respect.
LOL, I was trolling CooperDash for his comment about Olson yesterday. I definitely respect Olson as a dangerous slugger.
Olson had a .911 OPS and 39 homerun last year, too. Coming to a new team and league, facing a lot of pitchers he probably hasn't seen a lot of any of, he's great and going to get better.
Btw, Dansby Swanson also a FA at the end of the year as well. 3B option? I definitely feel Baty being a superstar and taking that job is the best thing for the Mets long-term.
they could have beat them once more. that would have done something. instead their best players no showed.
I really don't think he sucks. He's only struck out twice, has hit the ball hard at least a couple of times, and all the pitchers he's had to face so far are among the best in baseball. He's making contact and putting the ball in play at least. Really small sample.
Alvarez is going to be a stud. I have no doubt.
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Rather have Vientos
I really don't think he sucks. He's only struck out twice, has hit the ball hard at least a couple of times, and all the pitchers he's had to face so far are among the best in baseball. He's making contact and putting the ball in play at least. Really small sample.
Alvarez is going to be a stud. I have no doubt.
And he has a good eye. He took a couple of close pitches the last couple of ABs.
He probably needs 150 PAs to get going.
in other news:
Jeff McNeil this series: 7-for-12 (.583)
Rest of #Mets this series: 19-for-86 (.221)
im pretty sure escobar has the other 19 hits.
+1. The Braves played otherworldly baseball. Nothing you can do about that. The Mets played good ball, but the Braves played great ball.
Now it's a new beginning, you learn from your mistakes, and move on.
The F.O. made some mistakes, I think Buck made some mistakes, maybe individual players made some mistakes. You learn, you apply, you move ahead.
They could have won one game this weekend with their 3 best pitchers going...
It felt flat, middle of the season like. No sense of urgency, almost like they didn't care or recognize they were in a division title race.
Very odd (and typical Mets like frankly) ending to one of the franchise's best seasons.
+1 That was the crucial series. That series was the death knell of the year for the Mets. This series would have been meaningless, most probably.
I don't think he is a disappointment. He is just not an elite hitter. Never has been. He is a good but not great offensively.
But he is a very good all-around player. Excellent defensively. Good speed. Plays every day. Not constantly going to the DL.
As the announcers noted, his 127 WC+ this year is the second highest of his career. So Mets are basically getting what they signed up for.
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Despite his 100 RBIs. Would take Dansby Swanson
I don't think he is a disappointment. He is just not an elite hitter. Never has been. He is a good but not great offensively.
But he is a very good all-around player. Excellent defensively. Good speed. Plays every day. Not constantly going to the DL.
As the announcers noted, his 127 WC+ this year is the second highest of his career. So Mets are basically getting what they signed up for.
Bullshit. If they made him play for his contract year they could have signed him for $100M+ less. Cohen wanted to make a point and he did, but he cost them a lot of $$$. Lindor is NOT a $340M player and we'll watch that over and over for the next 9 years.
Since it's unlikely he keeps beating his career best every year, it is inevitable he will decline from what he put up this year.
Now, I do think by the time the deal ends the contract will probably be middle of the pack as AAV's will explode in the years to come. So it's not the killer AAV some make it out to be.
And yes, going into a 3-game series vs the Braves needing one win to all but clinch the division and a bye... it's awful. The only thing that would've been worse would've been losing the division by getting swept by the Nationals. Much was made about that soft September schedule with all those cupcake teams, and the Mets went 12-9 vs the bottom feeders, highlighted by a series loss to the Nats to open the month and getting swept by the Cubs. 12-9 is not nearly good enough.
I hope now for a miracle bc this fantasy deserves it, and the Braves' fans are cocky twats that copied the Tomahawk chop from Florida State football fans. They suck.
Since it's unlikely he keeps beating his career best every year, it is inevitable he will decline from what he put up this year.
Now, I do think by the time the deal ends the contract will probably be middle of the pack as AAV's will explode in the years to come. So it's not the killer AAV some make it out to be.
That's a good point. But I still think Mets try to move him after 2024 because once he has 5 and 10 status, he can veto any trade. Since he will have seven years left on his contract that will greatly hamper their ability to maneuver.
If Mauricio continues to develop, I think he is Mets SS in 2025 not Lindor.
Fuck them hillbilly Barves fans. Go F a pig
Alas, we went gentle.
Is something good still possible? Tough to see it, right now.
See you guys in the wildcard round. Blah.
But my god have they took it to another level of disdain since last year.
Alas, we went gentle.
Nice to see someone quote a great poet like Dylan Thomas.
But my god have they took it to another level of disdain since last year.
I lived in Atlanta for two years and went to about 20 games. Most of them were Mets games.
Fans were always well mannered. Good-natured ribbing but nothing more. No belligerence.
So I have to disagree about their fans being detestable.
Is something good still possible? Tough to see it, right now.
See you guys in the wildcard round. Blah.
You never know with the postseason.
Pathetic
Will they be able to rebound from this? They will have the same three starters for the WC round ready to go
This has always been a scrappy team. I expect them to keep winning even in the wild card.
Unfortunately the perception of the Mets will remain. People will call it a collapse but we are not there.
Next year we may need to take a step back. We have our own free agents to sign. deGrom likely is gone and Judge will return to the Yankees.
Unfortunately the perception of the Mets will remain. People will call it a collapse but we are not there.
Next year we may need to take a step back. We have our own free agents to sign. deGrom likely is gone and Judge will return to the Yankees.
What? What the fuck do the Yankees or Aaron Judge have to do with any of this?
I have zero hope for any run in the playoffs or even be competitive. Might squeak out the WC series but the Dodgers will be another ugly sweep.
I am not sure if it's good or bad but most of this team won't be back next year.
and then there are the Mets.
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of being the dregs of the league to all of a sudden be a top team. Cohen is 2 years in his ownership and has improved the team but we’re not there yet. You have the defending World Champions with an incredible W-L record who just know how to win. We also share the city with a team who boasts a player that is about to cement himself as an all time great and has as good a chance to win the WS.
Unfortunately the perception of the Mets will remain. People will call it a collapse but we are not there.
Next year we may need to take a step back. We have our own free agents to sign. deGrom likely is gone and Judge will return to the Yankees.
What? What the fuck do the Yankees or Aaron Judge have to do with any of this?
I think he is referring to the rumor that Cohen is going to make a run at Judge.
They just set this weekend up with those 2 starters and they both gave up a combined 5 HR, 7 ER and 14 H. Neither getting past the 6th inning.
Their performance was both disappointing and very confusing.
This is still a good ball team , even as a wild card.
the only shred of a silver lining is that maybe they hit the mat hard enough to get pissed off enough to come up swinging. rediscover the edge they had most of the year. they aren't talented enough to outslug teams they need to grind every at bat and they haven't done that consistently for more than a month. this sweep sucked but we all saw the problems brewing over the last 6 weeks as a team that didn't lose series all year started dropping series right and left to last place teams.
this team needed a dramatic turning point and this failure was about as dramatic as possible in a 98 win year. hopefully it gets them turned in the right direction. i agree with the point above about alvarez and vientos getting as many at bats as possible against washington. both had some decent at bats in this series and will need them if they are going to go anywhere since Vogey can't hit lefties.
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Although I feel sad and dejected, and maybe some of you do also, the deeper underlying truth is the above, this is still a good team, even as a wild card.
Nothing is done yet, the last line has not yet been spoken.
Tonight felt like it was going to be good but we couldn't drive in the runs to put up the big #s.
Still going to the playoffs but it's a real bummer. We need high end Max and DeGrom starts. That's always the recipe for this team. Still possible but not feeling great about it now
Cookie pitching tomorrow and Walker is going on Tuesday. Mets will probably be finished for the division race by tomorrow, or Tuesday at the latest, no matter what they do at home against the Nats. deGrom would obviously no longer be scheduled to pitch on Wednesday so he can start either Game 1 or 2 of the WC series at Citi Field in the 4-5 Wildcard Round Best 2 of 3 against either the Padres/Phillies/Brewers.
I'm guessing if Wednesday is meaningless for the Mets (Tuesday probably will be too, but that's neither here nor there), then it'll be a bullpen game, so deGrom can be fresh for the WC round. A mix of Williams, Peterson, Megill, Smith, & company will probably pitch that game. This is still surreal to think about considering the wasted opportunities the Mets had throughout September, especially losing 5 of 6 at home against the combination of the Cubs and Nationals.
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Let the kids get as many ABs as possible.
Mets to realize the division chase is over, try and get Lindor, Alonso, and McNeil rest.
the new rules this year mean instead of getting an extra week to maybe get Marte back and line up their rotation, they have to throw the big 3 against juan soto met killer's padres in what will likely be a pretty tough cross country series.
in 2015 the cheerleaders said the 'window was just opening' because all the starters were young. that obviously didn't work out and this time around the starters aren't anywhere close to young. this is an old team, with an older manager, and just keeping most of it together is going to make them perhaps the most expensive team in mlb (which they basically already are).
winning divisions in baseball is really hard and here they had everything going for them - and they blew it. they have to move past it and regroup but im not sure you move past it by pretending all is well and they didn't just blow it.
Let the kids get as many ABs as possible.
Mets to realize the division chase is over, try and get Lindor, Alonso, and McNeil rest.
I'd still play normally tomorrow, and wait until they're officially eliminated. Tuesday though I'd be tempted to do that anyway, even if they're still somehow alive for the division--which would be doubtful. Gotta get Alvarez two starts at Catcher this series.
the new rules this year mean instead of getting an extra week to maybe get Marte back and line up their rotation, they have to throw the big 3 against juan soto met killer's padres in what will likely be a pretty tough cross country series.
in 2015 the cheerleaders said the 'window was just opening' because all the starters were young. that obviously didn't work out and this time around the starters aren't anywhere close to young. this is an old team, with an older manager, and just keeping most of it together is going to make them perhaps the most expensive team in mlb (which they basically already are).
winning divisions in baseball is really hard and here they had everything going for them - and they blew it. they have to move past it and regroup but im not sure you move past it by pretending all is well and they didn't just blow it.
No cross-country effects would be in effect for the Mets. The Padres are the one who have to deal with that under such a scenario (which is most likely to happen at this point). It's a best two of three from Friday, Oct. 7th to Sunday, October 9th--if necessary. All the games would be played at Citi Field. I don't wanna speak out of turn, but I don't think we're gonna see Marte during the WC round.
+1. The Braves(as much as I dislike them) deserve credit for what they did. They played great baseball.
@NYPost_Mets
Showalter: “I am proud of everything they have done. This is not conditional. It’s unconditional, the support, and if I know these guys they will rebound and make somebody feel their pain.”
one thing about buck is you know there's no way he takes for granted the chance to win a ring. over the next week it's on him to figure out how to get this team to bounce back.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Showalter: “I am proud of everything they have done. This is not conditional. It’s unconditional, the support, and if I know these guys they will rebound and make somebody feel their pain.”
This is what getting a grip means. It means turning a defeat into a victory by not letting your emotions run wild so you can't think clearly.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Showalter: “I am proud of everything they have done. This is not conditional. It’s unconditional, the support, and if I know these guys they will rebound and make somebody feel their pain.”
This is what getting a grip means. It means turning a defeat into a victory by not letting your emotions run wild so you can't think clearly.
What did you expect him to say?
That is a choke job, no other way to see it
Padres lead Phillies by 1 game for the 2nd WC spot, but the Phils took the season series from SD 4-3, so a tie would put us against the Phillies
WC is Fri-Sun at Citi Field in a best of 3. Mets have deGrom and Scherzer lined up for the first 2 games in whichever order they want. Divisional series would start Tuesday in LA, it is a best of 5 and deGrom/Scherzer would be lined up for games 2 and 3
The rest of the Met stars essentially no-showed"
but the life of a Mets fan is one of chronic asphyxiation.
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of being the dregs of the league to all of a sudden be a top team. Cohen is 2 years in his ownership and has improved the team but we’re not there yet. You have the defending World Champions with an incredible W-L record who just know how to win. We also share the city with a team who boasts a player that is about to cement himself as an all time great and has as good a chance to win the WS.
Unfortunately the perception of the Mets will remain. People will call it a collapse but we are not there.
Next year we may need to take a step back. We have our own free agents to sign. deGrom likely is gone and Judge will return to the Yankees.
What? What the fuck do the Yankees or Aaron Judge have to do with any of this?
I think he is referring to the rumor that Cohen is going to make a run at Judge.
Sorry Chris - went to bed after the game. Vanzetti is right - I was referring to the Judge rumors.
The good news is that the season isn’t over. These guys have a chance to redeem themselves and make a run. I’d love another crack at these bastards in the NLCS and maybe we can avenge 1999.
Plenty of time for a post-mortem and to complain about the lackluster trade deadline come the off-season. I suggest most Met fans try and find a way to put this weekend behind and look ahead to a playoff series at Citi Field this weekend versus a really good Padres team.
Combined they gave up 11 ER in 14.1 innings in the 3-game series.
The Mets had this series lined up perfect and laid an egg.
The good news is that the season isn’t over. These guys have a chance to redeem themselves and make a run. I’d love another crack at these bastards in the NLCS and maybe we can avenge 1999.
Plenty of time for a post-mortem and to complain about the lackluster trade deadline come the off-season. I suggest most Met fans try and find a way to put this weekend behind and look ahead to a playoff series at Citi Field this weekend versus a really good Padres team.
there's no advantage to this route bc now their path runs through both probably, but i would say that after this series i think there's less to worry about with LAD than with ATL. Iglesias and McHugh have added a dimension to that atlanta BP nobody else has. presumably the only way the mets would see the braves again this year is if they get back to playing well and if that's the case that would have the potential to be an all time series.
Combined they gave up 11 ER in 14.1 innings in the 3-game series.
The Mets had this series lined up perfect and laid an egg.
they were all disappointing but equally so were lindor and alonso with 0 rbis / 0 xbh.
those 5 are essentially their best players other than diaz and they all did nothing (diaz through no fault of his own).
in the post-season I feel like pitching and defense set the tone. and the big three pitchers came up small (deGrom less so)
in the post-season I feel like pitching and defense set the tone. and the big three pitchers came up small (deGrom less so)
Let us hope.. and thats really all we can do... is that they all got their shitty performances out of the way and go on a tear..
Which was the whole point myself, speedy, and others have been making for two months - winning the division was really really important to winning the World Series. And they choked it away
Anything can happen
It's the sport where the best team wins least often.
and the three most important pitchers (deGrom, Scherzer, and Diaz) should be fairly well rested.
i don't disagree that the pitchers let them down, but JDG and Scherzer left 2 run games, Bassitt a 1 run game. The Mets didn't score a run in the final 6 innings last night despite atlantas pen mostly working 3rd day in a row and morton not bringing his A game.
it was a team wide failure. it was last august against the LAD all over again. except maybe even a little worse because they at least got some of those games into extras.
i don't disagree that the pitchers let them down, but JDG and Scherzer left 2 run games, Bassitt a 1 run game. The Mets didn't score a run in the final 6 innings last night despite atlantas pen mostly working 3rd day in a row and morton not bringing his A game.
it was a team wide failure. it was last august against the LAD all over again. except maybe even a little worse because they at least got some of those games into extras.
100%... this team has talked about resiliency and games never being over all year, but these last 3 games all felt over very, very early despite being close
lol. It's true.
No day off between games 4 and 5 in NLDS, so deGrom/Scherzer in some order for games 2 and 3, then the G3 starter would have just one day off so I doubt he could pitch in G5. G2 starter could start on 3 days rest
I would guess Scherzer would be the guy on 3 days rest, and if so he would start G1 of the WC
losing 5 out of 6 at home in those 2 series against WSH and CHI is what lost them the division.
Just over a week after trade deadline, Aug 11, Mets had a 7-game lead
From then:
- Went 25-22
- Lost 6 of last 9
- deGrom was human, losing 3 of last 4 starts
- Swept by Cubs at home
- Went just 15-10 against teams with a combined .404 Win%
[quote] which was the canha game. but after that things went pretty south pretty quickly. and if anything that would make the numbers from 8/22 on even worse because they were mostly against last place teams other than 2 against the NYY and the 3 against LAD/MIL (series they actually won).
losing 5 out of 6 at home in those 2 series against WSH and CHI is what lost them the division.
+1. Those 5 losses were the difference.
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Jake Ciely @allinkid
Just over a week after trade deadline, Aug 11, Mets had a 7-game lead
From then:
- Went 25-22
- Lost 6 of last 9
- deGrom was human, losing 3 of last 4 starts
- Swept by Cubs at home
- Went just 15-10 against teams with a combined .404 Win%
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+1 This sums it up.
losing 5 out of 6 at home in those 2 series against WSH and CHI is what lost them the division.
Quote:
Jake Ciely @allinkid
Just over a week after trade deadline, Aug 11, Mets had a 7-game lead
From then:
- Went 25-22
- Lost 6 of last 9
- deGrom was human, losing 3 of last 4 starts
- Swept by Cubs at home
- Went just 15-10 against teams with a combined .404 Win%
Yep. It would be completely reasonable for them to have won 5 of 6 - those teams were what, a combined 60 games under 500 at the time? which means they STILL would have had a 2 game lead despite the ATL sweep.
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which was the canha game. but after that things went pretty south pretty quickly. and if anything that would make the numbers from 8/22 on even worse because they were mostly against last place teams other than 2 against the NYY and the 3 against LAD/MIL (series they actually won).
losing 5 out of 6 at home in those 2 series against WSH and CHI is what lost them the division.
Quote:
Jake Ciely @allinkid
Just over a week after trade deadline, Aug 11, Mets had a 7-game lead
From then:
- Went 25-22
- Lost 6 of last 9
- deGrom was human, losing 3 of last 4 starts
- Swept by Cubs at home
- Went just 15-10 against teams with a combined .404 Win%
Yep. It would be completely reasonable for them to have won 5 of 6 - those teams were what, a combined 60 games under 500 at the time? which means they STILL would have had a 2 game lead despite the ATL sweep.
+1. Yes, the Atlanta series would probably have been meaningless.
I'm sure it will be analyzed ad infinitum, but I woulld really like a good, clear, deep explanation of why and how they folded.
Mets win that double-header in Pittsburgh only to drop that game in Miami.
A big win in Oakland on September 29 - only to go down to the Marlins after an off-day.
The win against the Marlins last week and then the off-day before Friday's loss.
This pattern doesn't bode well for Friday.
This team seems to struggle carrying any momentum from series to series.
Don't worry, with Alderson finally gone (we hope), the front office should be miles better
Mets Choked - ( New Window )
Interesting article, thanks for posting dennis.
The only thing I disagree with is criticizing Buck for the lack of Diaz use, When, exactly was he supposed to use him? They never had a lead past the 4th inning. The one example the author gave was not using Diaz in the 7th inning instead of McGill. They were losing by two runs! So if Diaz comes in and doesn't give up any runs, who pitches the 8th? OK, Diaz had thrown some 5 and 6 out saves this year, so MAYBE he could have pitched the 8th. But if they managed to come back and take the lead, surely Diaz could not have thrown Diaz a 3rd inning. So who would save the game? Otto? Perhaps. Everyone else in the pen sucks...
Anyway, this summed up what I was trying to say last night about expectations, and the importance of context:
"If someone told you before the season, the Mets would have 98+ wins before the season with a chance to win the NL East late in the season, you would absolutely take it. Actually, that is only partially true.
If you were told the Mets led this division at one point by 10.5 games, had a three game lead entering September, went 2-6 at home against the Nationals, Cubs, and Marlins, and would be completely dominated by the Braves as they were swept with the division title on the line, absolutely no one in their right mind would take it. This right here is why we should not try to sugarcoat and excuse this collapse."
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"What really stood out with Showalter in this series is he looked like a manager who did not learn from his mistakes in his previous spots. This was him using Jack McDowell, Bobby Chouinard, and anyone but Zack Britton on loop. Really, he was terrible in this series." Mets Choked - ( New Window )
Interesting article, thanks for posting dennis.
The only thing I disagree with is criticizing Buck for the lack of Diaz use, When, exactly was he supposed to use him? They never had a lead past the 4th inning. The one example the author gave was not using Diaz in the 7th inning instead of McGill. They were losing by two runs! So if Diaz comes in and doesn't give up any runs, who pitches the 8th? OK, Diaz had thrown some 5 and 6 out saves this year, so MAYBE he could have pitched the 8th. But if they managed to come back and take the lead, surely Diaz could not have thrown Diaz a 3rd inning. So who would save the game? Otto? Perhaps. Everyone else in the pen sucks...
Anyway, this summed up what I was trying to say last night about expectations, and the importance of context:
"If someone told you before the season, the Mets would have 98+ wins before the season with a chance to win the NL East late in the season, you would absolutely take it. Actually, that is only partially true.
If you were told the Mets led this division at one point by 10.5 games, had a three game lead entering September, went 2-6 at home against the Nationals, Cubs, and Marlins, and would be completely dominated by the Braves as they were swept with the division title on the line, absolutely no one in their right mind would take it. This right here is why we should not try to sugarcoat and excuse this collapse."
Hi Speedy. I was actually thinking about what you wrote when I read it. I thought your points were well made.
The really odd part is losing with the pitchers that we had up there, two of them which are probably the two best starting pitchers in baseball. And they just happened to miss spots badly for the same three hitters, every fucking game? That doesn’t make sense, but that’s baseball I guess.
I’d like to say I’m surprised at the outcome, but I’m not. I don’t know what happened to the Mets, maybe they were just playing over their heads for the first four months. But they have some stuff to figure out.