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Some observations from the game today at Section 113

Archer : 10/2/2022 6:43 pm
My son and his girlfriend treated me and my wife to some amazing seats 9 rows back and on the fifty.

What a great prospective you get from these seats.

Some observations that may or may not be apparent on TV.

Saquon is the most determined that I have ever seen him. He was extremely animated on the sidelines, at times yelling and imploring players. He really gave it his all and looks to be the Barley of old. At the end of the game the entire Section serenaded him and he showed his appreciation.

Jones played really well and made some very good decisions. The OL was porous in pass protection so Jones either did play action, RPO, or had to move in the pocket. Jones rarely had time but he did not allow the pressure to deter him. He forced the action, protected the ball, threw it away when it was warranted and made some really good reads. He seems much more comfortable in this offense and is made for the RPO offense. Jones can win with this team.

What complicates the Giants inability to throw with more consistency is the lack of separation by the receivers. The Wide outs could not get open. For the most part it was the TEs who were open on drag routes.

These TEs block. There were (4-5) blocks by the TEs that were great. Two on Jones TD runs by 88 Hudson, and a couple nice blocks sealing the edges by Bellinger on Barkley's runs.
What a difference it makes in the run game when you are getting blocks downfield.

The Giants defense played great especially the line. They stonewalled the run against a very good running team and generated consistent pressure. The pressure up the middle was impressive. Thibodeau, Olijari, Ward, and X are the best outside rushers that the Giants have had in a while.
Thibs did play well and was getting constant pressure but just missing.

Adore covers well and I shocked at how good he is with his tackling. However, the Giants DBs had some difficulty in staying behind on some deep passes. If the pressure was not as effective as it was the Bears could have had some big plays. This could be a problem against a better QB.


One thing that was quite disturbing and I do not know if it showed up on the TV. The refs were awful and there were problems with the timekeeping. There were many offensive holding calls against the Bears where the refs swallowed their whistles. And the hit on Taylor was just awful. The line judge was standing there and did nothing.

In retrospect this may not a great team as they are missing many pieces, but they play to win, fight hard, and the coaching seems to put them in a position to succeed. This is something to build on.


Thanks  
section125 : 10/2/2022 6:47 pm : link
for your POV. Looked the same on TV.
thank you for sharing.  
ATL_Giants : 10/2/2022 6:48 pm : link
Did the uniforms look great in person?
The diference with Barkley this year - in addition to his health  
GeofromNJ : 10/2/2022 6:50 pm : link
He hits the hole immediately. Doesn't dance around in the backfield, looking for a home run. I think this penchant to run straight ahead is due to coaching. At Penn State, it was common for Barkley to dance in the backfield against really good defensive teams, like Ohio State.
Taylor hit  
give66 : 10/2/2022 6:50 pm : link
Looked clean from TV angles. What the hell was he thinking?
Good observations  
GeofromNJ : 10/2/2022 6:52 pm : link
Your vantage point is better than TV viewing, but much of what you say agrees with what we saw on the screen.
Archer  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/2/2022 6:53 pm : link
Glad you and the Mrs. had a great day. Outstanding report and some really nice detailed observations (TE's/DL). SB really stepping up as a player and leader.- Awesome. Thanks!
Nice write-up  
ZogZerg : 10/2/2022 6:55 pm : link
Yes, a few blatant holds that were not called.
RE: Taylor hit  
section125 : 10/2/2022 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15842677 give66 said:
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Looked clean from TV angles. What the hell was he thinking?


It was a helmet to helmet hit. Not clean. He lead with his helmet.
Yes the missed holding calls were very obvious  
Blue21 : 10/2/2022 6:56 pm : link
on TV . Many big plays by Bears should have been called back.
RE: The diference with Barkley this year - in addition to his health  
Banks : 10/2/2022 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15842676 GeofromNJ said:
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He hits the hole immediately. Doesn't dance around in the backfield, looking for a home run. I think this penchant to run straight ahead is due to coaching. At Penn State, it was common for Barkley to dance in the backfield against really good defensive teams, like Ohio State.

As a penn stater, it was because the Oline was (and still is) every bit as bad as the Giants at their worst. He was hit almost every down behind the line. He also ran for 194, 99, and 44 yards against OSU
A lot of holding by the Bears not called.  
Red Dog : 10/2/2022 7:05 pm : link
What else is new. NFL officiating eats shit.
Great post Archer  
Ike#88 : 10/2/2022 7:10 pm : link
on the TV feed they showed Daboll really interacting with DJ and SB. I've wanted a hands on coach with the offense for a while and it seems to be paying off having him not just oversee the operation but coach hard during the game.
Great  
AcidTest : 10/2/2022 7:14 pm : link
review. Thanks. I agree that the Bears should have been called for holding. It was blatant on some plays.
RE: The diference with Barkley this year - in addition to his health  
Eman11 : 10/2/2022 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15842676 GeofromNJ said:
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He hits the hole immediately. Doesn't dance around in the backfield, looking for a home run. I think this penchant to run straight ahead is due to coaching. At Penn State, it was common for Barkley to dance in the backfield against really good defensive teams, like Ohio State.


I think your take on his dancing is way off. He wasn’t dancing here or at PSU to hit a Hime Run, he was trying to at least get back to the line of scrimmage and not lose three yards, since he was facing guys in his face as soon as he received the handoff.

Now at least he has a chance to plow straight ahead or make a cut.
A couple of additional notes  
Archer : 10/2/2022 7:23 pm : link
Shepard was on the sidelines and is clearly liked by the team especially Barkley.
Williams was also there cheering on the DL.


This is a little different than in prior years where most injured players were not allowed on the sidelines during the game.

Jaylon Smith seems excited to be back he was one of a few players to interact with the fans at the end of the game.

The Giants must clean up the special teams. Running out of bounds while a five yard penalty the ensuing play cost the Giants 20 yards


The uniforms looked great  
Archer : 10/2/2022 7:25 pm : link
But I kept looking for LT, Banks, Carson, Etc.
There is NO  
Daniel in MI : 10/2/2022 8:05 pm : link
Protection against helmet to helmet hits on a runner. TT was a runner at that point. He needs to slide to be protected and he didn’t.
Head to head  
Archer : 10/2/2022 8:19 pm : link
I have to do some research about helmet to helmet hits
I don't care if the player is a QB, RB, WR,etc., if the player is on the ground and another player leads with his helmet to spear the player that has to be a personal foul.
Head to Head contact  
Archer : 10/2/2022 8:26 pm : link
From the NFL Rules Book;
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It is a foul if a player lowers his head to initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent.

Contact does not have to be to an opponent’s head or neck area — lowering the head and initiating contact to an opponent’s torso, hips, and lower body, is also a foul. Violations of the rule will be easier to see and officiate when they occur in open space – as opposed to close line play — but this rule applies anywhere on the field at any time.​



There is no exception for tackling a running back with a lowered helmet.
Thanks for your insight,  
Section331 : 10/2/2022 8:26 pm : link
I was at the game too (sec 335, last row), but there was zero pressure on DJ. The coaching staff did a good job of moving the pocket, but there were very few plays where Jones had pressure.

Saquon has been fantastic, and I could see him on the sidelines exhorting his teammates. He is a must sign, and I was not in favor of him being picked at #2.
RE: There is NO  
BigBlueShock : 10/2/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15842837 Daniel in MI said:
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Protection against helmet to helmet hits on a runner. TT was a runner at that point. He needs to slide to be protected and he didn’t.

This is not true.

“This year, the NFL has made a tweak to the controversial rule that no one knew had happened. The change appears in the official 2022 rulebook, which the NFL has posted online. The rule now reads as follows: “It is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent.”
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Blue shock  
Archer : 10/2/2022 8:45 pm : link
If a defensive player lowers his head and initiates contact it is still a penalty. What I quoted is from the rule book.

If a player is on the ground and is he is speared it is a penalty. The player is considered to be defenseless.

If a running back lowers his head and initiates contact it is not a penalty
Section 331  
Archer : 10/2/2022 8:50 pm : link
Did you notice that there were a lot of empty seats?
That was very disappointing.

With regard to pressure the Giants were moving the pocket, the throws were all either RPO or on role outs.

Jones did a very good job avoiding the rush, but there was pressure.

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Route 9 : 10/2/2022 9:07 pm : link
Thought the call on Thibodeaux was weak
Thought the non-call on the hit on Taylor was weak
RE: Section 331  
Section331 : 10/2/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15842980 Archer said:
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Did you notice that there were a lot of empty seats?
That was very disappointing.

With regard to pressure the Giants were moving the pocket, the throws were all either RPO or on role outs.

Jones did a very good job avoiding the rush, but there was pressure.


LOTS of empty seats, I was a little surprised. Almost all of the pass plays were off of play action, and Chicago was selling out to stop Barkley. There was very little pressure.
RE: ......  
Section331 : 10/2/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15843019 Route 9 said:
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Thought the call on Thibodeaux was weak
Thought the non-call on the hit on Taylor was weak


I thought the call on Thibs was fair, the non-call on the Tyrod hit was outrageous. In todays NFL, they can’t miss that call.
I was in Section 121, so to add to Archer's perspective  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/2/2022 9:36 pm : link
- The WR lack of separation is real: Golladay can't beat anyone right now. Slayton dropped the one deep ball and then didn't fight or the other. Giants were basically running Michigan offense out there and won.

- Chicago played physical but also somewhat dirty. Lots of chippy stuff after plays, particularly with #62 on the Bears.

- Thibs' explosion and speed are real. He could chase Fields sideline to sideline.

- Typical NFL mediocre officiating. A few really really late flags on both sides. Daboll hated the one illegal procedure penalty.

- Empty seats were mostly in the 300s (rain/wind) and the expensive 200 seats. Lower bowl was pretty filled.

- Tracy Morgan was in a suite in 117-119 and kept coming outside to urge the crowd on, especially after the fumble that sealed the game.

The coaching staff is doing a great job creating an offense  
PatersonPlank : 10/2/2022 9:40 pm : link
with what they have. The OL is much better at run blocking than pass protection. They are using Jones mobility be always moving the pocket and rolling him out. This also helps our weak receivers as it stretches the defense and makes them adjust for the Jones runs. A lot of completions were because the defender had to leave the receiver and come up to stop a Jones run
RE: RE: Section 331  
RCPhoenix : 10/2/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15843055 Section331 said:
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In comment 15842980 Archer said:


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Did you notice that there were a lot of empty seats?
That was very disappointing.

With regard to pressure the Giants were moving the pocket, the throws were all either RPO or on role outs.

Jones did a very good job avoiding the rush, but there was pressure.




LOTS of empty seats, I was a little surprised. Almost all of the pass plays were off of play action, and Chicago was selling out to stop Barkley. There was very little pressure.


I was in Section 307. Fair number of empty seats but given the forecast that wasn’t surprising.

Even from where I sat the holding on the first drive was obvious on Fields’ scramble. And it was right in front of the ref.

The Giants either ran right, left, or bootleg play action.

Unless the player is wide open Fields seems to have trouble hitting his receivers. He does not scream NFL QB to me.

And Barkley was obviously the best player on offense today on either team.

Finally Golloday is painfully slow for a WR. He is a square peg in a round hole for this offense. He should be inactive on game days for the rest of this season. I know they can’t cut him this year and no sane GM would trade for him.
RE: A lot of holding by the Bears not called.  
jhibb : 10/3/2022 12:46 am : link
In comment 15842727 Red Dog said:
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What else is new. NFL officiating eats shit.


And holding is one thing, but a blatant face mask taking down someone like Dexter Lawrence as he goes by the center... I don't know how that's missed.
at 3:03 of this video (10:23 in the 2nd, 3rd and 20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0p2HiA-S8c - ( New Window )
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