You suck if you can't give Daniel Jones any praise after 4 games.
Really.
This is a very untalented offensive team.
The praise costs you nothing and gives you credibility.
The previous regime was really, really bad.
The next 4 games will reveal whether this is a mirage.
Trading Barkley right now is impossible. You would trade the best player on a 3-1 team?
Good luck with the locker room.
People should embrace this moment to be joyful.
You actually deserve to be happy, New York Giant's fan. You have suffered enough. Even if it doesn't last. Get what you can.
Peace.
play calling.
You are asking for a lot on this one…..but nothing is Impossible for those who believe.
The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.
That was freaking incredible.
Very good point. Once Taylor went down, you could see Daboll in Barkley's ear and telling him he needed to operate the WC.
It was a very smooth transition.
What I wound interesting was that the Bears continued to put a corner out on Jones. Jones would limp out wide like he had a peg leg, and the Bears would still honor him as a threat.
I wouldn't have put a defender within 15 yards of Jones.
The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.
That was freaking incredible.
LOL - this is so true. Love the way Daboll gets right in there with the players had fires them up. He has bridged that gap of being like a player, but at the same time commanding the respect of a HC.
Positives: I thought the OL blocked well today Saquon is a threat on every down. Jones TD on the fake came when it seemed like all 11 bears went after him. Jones running ability is scary and effective on the RPO but where is the passing game - the bears were cramming into the box and no one outside the TEs could get separation? Can’t tell from the TV view. Negative The Giants have to figure a way to pass in the seams. Gives Saquon more room and gives us all the opportunity to see if Jones is just a runner or a can deliver in the clutch. I would seriously work in some more play actions. The lbers and safetys are certainly going to pinch in toward the line if there is a chance Saquon touches the ball
Just my thoughts
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
If we can get some semblance of a down field passing attack that will open things up for Barkley.
Golladay needs to go to IR and just stay there. He is basically Sills with less moves and less effort.
If we can get Gates back our Oline gains some serious depth and protects us from an injury to Feliciano.
Defensively we need our Edges to get healthy for more than one game and we really can use Rodarious Williams as our CB's are a bit thin.
We need to win 1 of the next 4 and in reality 2-2 would ideal.
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The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.
That was freaking incredible.
Very good point. Once Taylor went down, you could see Daboll in Barkley's ear and telling him he needed to operate the WC.
It was a very smooth transition.
What I wound interesting was that the Bears continued to put a corner out on Jones. Jones would limp out wide like he had a peg leg, and the Bears would still honor him as a threat.
I wouldn't have put a defender within 15 yards of Jones.
Bad coaching on the Bears part. Good playing calling on the Giants side.
That moment would have been too much for McAdoo, Shurmur, or Judge.
Daniel Bellinger is getting better and better every week.
Dexter Lawrence best game as a Giant
Dane Belton hits like a truck
Jaylon Smith is the only LB we have that looks like a LB.
Slayton is going to get alot of work this week.
Great post. I was down on Bellinger after preseason but he has been solid.
And Lawrence has been possibly the best defensive player on the team. Well, maybe tied with McKinney.
play calling.
+7
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't follow - why?
Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?
44 carries won't be practical nor will the style they used today long term. Hopefully they keep finding a wrinkle to add and we get back Toney or something. Stay ahead of down/distance (one of my favorite indicators) they have a chance. The early drives were awesome. What a treat to see a few good runs and boom PA to the TE works.
Lost a bit in this is the D. Through four games letting up 17.9 pts. Wink and the players have really stepped up taking a lot of pressure off the offense.
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
Eric that’s sacrilege to the anybody but Jones faction. Just sayin’.
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Swing and a miss, If Jones isnt covered you just throw him the ball and he throws the ball
The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.
That was freaking incredible.
Very good point. Once Taylor went down, you could see Daboll in Barkley's ear and telling him he needed to operate the WC.
It was a very smooth transition.
What I wound interesting was that the Bears continued to put a corner out on Jones. Jones would limp out wide like he had a peg leg, and the Bears would still honor him as a threat.
I wouldn't have put a defender within 15 yards of Jones.
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't follow - why?
Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?
Agreed.....saying the two are attached has no basis.
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Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?
Can you produce a single post that even remotely came close to that?
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Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?
Can you produce a single post that even remotely came close to that?
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LOL, you ask, you receive...........
I will say a lot of that read like a game thread, with a lot of frustration.
I'm not in the that thread, but I was down on Barkley too. He looks like a different player to be honest, more physical and determined.
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
Wouldn’t it be the other way around? I don’t think you can keep DJ and remove his only all pro caliber skill player
The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.
That was freaking incredible.
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
Why? Ones at the top of their position
I know you’re not doing call outs of bad takes lol
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Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
Teams that finish well can still find quarterbacks. You don't have to tank a season chasing after a draft pick.
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.
Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't follow - why?
Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?
Seriously, you watched that game yesterday and concluded all Jones did was hand off to Saquon!
I m surprised by this take.
The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.
But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.
The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.
But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.
Your post said if you keep Barkley you keep Jones, which is completely different.
I don't follow - why?
Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?
Seriously, you watched that game yesterday and concluded all Jones did was hand off to Saquon!
I m surprised by this take.
My comment had nothing to do with yesterday. It was a general statement that handing off and throwing to SB isn't something precious between Jones and SB.
The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.
But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.
That makes zero sense to me, but to each their own.
The more interesting comment is the comment that Schoen should dictate personnel decisions based on fan reaction. Really?
Scene:
Another GM: "Joe, I'll give you our first and two-twos for Saquon right now..."
Schoen: "I'd love to, but I can't."
Another GM: "Why? Mara?"
Schoen: "No, the fan base will get mad at me. And I don't like it when the fans get mad at me..."
JFC.
If you felt that way then, nothing should have changed. If anything, you should feel more strongly about not paying a RB a huge contract on a team without a QB.
You can keep Barkley and get a rookie QB. We won’t be a championship contender with Jones in the next three seasons either in all likely hood, so what is the difference?
With the money we have available this offseason we could have a rookie QB, give him a safety valve like Saqoun and make his development much easier. Normally I’d say the financials don’t make sense but with this coaching staff I think there is a huge benefit to keeping Saqoun no matter who is at QB.
If you felt that way then, nothing should have changed. If anything, you should feel more strongly about not paying a RB a huge contract on a team without a QB.
Nothing has changed - yes.
If they keep Jones, they think he can lead them to the promised land.
What's the difference? Say you 're right and Jones isn't the guy and they need to draft his replacement. The Giants are behind the 8 ball because bunch of teams have multiple first-round picks and there is a decent chance the Giants will be drafting out of the top 10. They need more draft capital. In addition, do you want to tie up a big chunk of your salary cap on a rebuilding team when that money can be spread out among many other players.
wink won the game with his interior blitzes over the guards with ILB.
still allowed way too many 3rd and longs (and very longs) with sloppy tackling.
the wr group is pathetic. i didnt think a WR (slayton) could put that much bad tape out there in a season let alone 1 game.
thibs looked explosive and made an impact.
OL seemed much more settled like week 1 vs. TEN.
barkley is a beast, i'd extend him if he's reasonable. don't think he factors into the QB decision beyond knowing they may only be able to tag 1. i'd extend lawrence too.
adoree jackson's tackling is the surprise of the season for me. looking like a stud.
If they keep Jones, they think he can lead them to the promised land.
What's the difference? Say you 're right and Jones isn't the guy and they need to draft his replacement. The Giants are behind the 8 ball because bunch of teams have multiple first-round picks and there is a decent chance the Giants will be drafting out of the top 10. They need more draft capital. In addition, do you want to tie up a big chunk of your salary cap on a rebuilding team when that money can be spread out among many other players.
You’re over thinking it. When they cut Golladay this offseason they’ll have $75 million in cap space to spend. Barkley maybe takes up $10 million of that next year. It’s more likely that the Giants build a better roster paying just Barkley and a rookie than paying both Barkley and Jones. They’ll probably be able to fill most of the whole this spring.
If you think Jones is the problem, and someone offers you a huge deal for Barkley (a player still with a serious injury history), you take and use that draft capital to take the QB you want.
Gun to my head, they don't do it because they know the fan base would be livid.
But if some contending team give up a #1 in 2023 plus additional picks, you have to listen.
There has to be a process that plays out. And I would guess it goes something like this:
Part 1: Jones evaluation. After the season ends, the first order of business is to make a decision on Jones.
Part 2: Draft opportunity. If Jones is the solution, no Part 2. If Jones is not the solution, then you evaluate where you are in the draft sequence and which QB(s) you favor. And evaluate the needs of other teams in the draft and how that may impact your opportunity to get your.
Part 3: Free Agents. While evaluating the draft class, you also need to see the options in the FA pool/trade. If something makes more sense before the draft, and you can execute it, then this becomes the move to make.
Don't remember much of anyone making that claim here. Arguments over drafting him, sure. Terrible football player? Don't think I've even seen one post saying that.
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can't get the QB you want in the draft? A very real consideration to factor in and one that seems to be missing.
There has to be a process that plays out. And I would guess it goes something like this:
Part 1: Jones evaluation. After the season ends, the first order of business is to make a decision on Jones.
Part 2: Draft opportunity. If Jones is the solution, no Part 2. If Jones is not the solution, then you evaluate where you are in the draft sequence and which QB(s) you favor. And evaluate the needs of other teams in the draft and how that may impact your opportunity to get your.
Part 3: Free Agents. While evaluating the draft class, you also need to see the options in the FA pool/trade. If something makes more sense before the draft, and you can execute it, then this becomes the move to make.
fair points. I think some are underrating how important it is for the HC to win relatively quickly in this market.
One scenario I see as a reasonable possibility is Jones showing enough and a QB is not available to them in the draft that they really want.
They can still add one in rounds 2-4 that has warts. Sign Jones but not something they can't get out of relatively quickly (2-3 years). See how that development QB does.
BD gets the best chance to win and advance the team and the Giants can still move aggressively in the draft in the following years if needed. I guess a FA can factor in here but at least with Jones you really know your QB.
The way things currently stand, keeping Barkley with a rookie QB is better than an extra third round pick. I have doubts he can keep this level of performance if he’s healthy.
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The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.
But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.
That makes zero sense to me, but to each their own.
The more interesting comment is the comment that Schoen should dictate personnel decisions based on fan reaction. Really?
Scene:
Another GM: "Joe, I'll give you our first and two-twos for Saquon right now..."
Schoen: "I'd love to, but I can't."
Another GM: "Why? Mara?"
Schoen: "No, the fan base will get mad at me. And I don't like it when the fans get mad at me..."
JFC.
You're not looking at this correctly and misusing the word "ma” and or not also considering the implications. Mara has little regard for “you and me.” But he does have a high regard for money. The Giants have right now an extremely marketable player. HE’s an incredible marketing player.
You trade him the team sucks beyond bad. Beyond bad. And it could suck for years with no marketable player following SB. While you could care less about Barkley because you only care about the QB (a lot care more than you- it’s noit a slam but you do say it over and over), many fans that go to games and/or watch games on TV and buy merchandise etc. will get angry unless Mara lowers prices across the board as an example. But it wouldn't be just them; It would be the media with the constant noise coming from them of paying high prices for a product beyond awful which in fact will also affect merchandise sales while possibly the next door rival Jets are actually turning things around. Now you’ve put the coaches in the crosshairs. Too. And all the players. Who (players) wants to come to a media circus of so much negativity for a team everyone knows sucks without even a big star???? For the weather???
Now the risk is the possibility of more years in New York without a star but in this case it was the Owner who deliberately shit-canned the team. From a guy that reacted in an extreme panic over the Eli situation, you think he’d want to potentially deal with this possible shit-show blamed on him?
This all puts Mara and the Giants at a big risk - and a lot of its starts with "anger."
Its way too much risk for Mara. Which do you think Mara cares more about "positional Value" or "making money?" I think he also likes to be leaked unlike the Knicks owner who basically tells every fan “Screw You.”
Its laughable he is going to consider trading Barkley at least before they get eliminated. Some team would have to give an unreal offer.
If you think Jones is the problem, and someone offers you a huge deal for Barkley (a player still with a serious injury history), you take and use that draft capital to take the QB you want.
Gun to my head, they don't do it because they know the fan base would be livid.
But if some contending team give up a #1 in 2023 plus additional picks, you have to listen.
I would take that in a heartbeat. It was the wrong pick at the time and it would be doubling down in a mistake to give a rb on a crap team a big 2nd contract
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Not over-thinking anything. If anything, I've been remarkably consistent on this for months.
If you think Jones is the problem, and someone offers you a huge deal for Barkley (a player still with a serious injury history), you take and use that draft capital to take the QB you want.
Gun to my head, they don't do it because they know the fan base would be livid.
But if some contending team give up a #1 in 2023 plus additional picks, you have to listen.
I would take that in a heartbeat. It was the wrong pick at the time and it would be doubling down in a mistake to give a rb on a crap team a big 2nd contract
Whether it was the wrong pick at the time is irrelevant. And right now it is a crap team on the upswing that is likely to be much better next year.
A month ago I would have agreed without question to take an 1st or 2nd pick and smile. Now, with what I have seen with this staff, this team may actually be relevant next season. If you remove the team's best offensive weapon, you knock back that improvement quite a bit and open up a huge hole that will need to be filled in next years draft with a 2nd or 3rd round pick that could be used for a desperately needed WR or MLB.
I am not opposed to a trade, especially if they fall apart by November. But what effect will that have on the locker room?