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Thegratefulhead : 10/2/2022 9:00 pm
You suck if you can't give Daniel Jones any praise after 4 games.

Really.

This is a very untalented offensive team.
The praise costs you nothing and gives you credibility.

The previous regime was really, really bad.

The next 4 games will reveal whether this is a mirage.

Trading Barkley right now is impossible. You would trade the best player on a 3-1 team?

Good luck with the locker room.

People should embrace this moment to be joyful.

You actually deserve to be happy, New York Giant's fan. You have suffered enough. Even if it doesn't last. Get what you can.

Peace.

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ill play. ill keep it short and sweet.  
Rory : 10/2/2022 9:08 pm : link
need more 3TE formations

Daniel Bellinger is getting better and better every week.

Dexter Lawrence best game as a Giant

Dane Belton hits like a truck

Jaylon Smith is the only LB we have that looks like a LB.

Slayton is going to get alot of work this week.
RE: ill play. ill keep it short and sweet.  
Thegratefulhead : 10/2/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15843022 Rory said:
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need more 3TE formations

Daniel Bellinger is getting better and better every week.

Dexter Lawrence best game as a Giant

Dane Belton hits like a truck

Jaylon Smith is the only LB we have that looks like a LB.

Slayton is going to get alot of work this week.
Like all those.
Jones is very competitive  
Payasdaddy : 10/2/2022 9:11 pm : link
Still don’t know if he can progress to make the reads and decisions we need
WRs are all #4/5 guys at this point. Only guy who gets separation is slayton and his hands turned to brick.
This is NOT a mirage  
Dave on the UWS : 10/2/2022 9:12 pm : link
this team is well coached. Injuries may make it hard for them to continue to win but they will compete every week .
Truth is there are a few elite teams, and then a lot of teams that  
PatersonPlank : 10/2/2022 9:15 pm : link
look like us. If you look around the league you will see we are not the worst team by a longshot.
Deadhead  
5BowlsSoon : 10/2/2022 9:16 pm : link
I’m glad to see all that pot consumed in the 60s and whenever subsequent hasn’t affected your faculties….great post!
 
christian : 10/2/2022 9:17 pm : link
The Giants offense with no healthy quarterbacks looked more prepared than under Judge and Garrett.

The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.

That was freaking incredible.
I would really like to  
section125 : 10/2/2022 9:21 pm : link
see what he can do with real WRs. Daboll and Kafka, I believe, have turned on a light in Jones mind. He is just different this year. Daboll says he gets better every day, every week. I believe him.
Too bad they cannot get any WRs.
this is a very well coached team  
markky : 10/2/2022 9:21 pm : link
we'll be getting better every year as we add pieces. DJ is a plus player right now. I'd love to see what he would do with an actual receiving corp.
RE: Truth is there are a few elite teams, and then a lot of teams that  
bw in dc : 10/2/2022 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15843035 PatersonPlank said:
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look like us. If you look around the league you will see we are not the worst team by a longshot.


You nailed it. The league is experiencing a mediocrity epidemic with no vaccine on the horizon.

I'll say this. If these Green Bay rookie receivers - Doubs, Watson - can develop at a more accelerated pace, they can the elitist of the elite with that D, running game, and OL.

That's obviously a big if...
 
ryanmkeane : 10/2/2022 9:30 pm : link
Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?
Pretty please  
Thegratefulhead : 10/2/2022 9:33 pm : link
Can a healthy Toney, Robinson and Barkley get on the field at the same time with the quality of this
play calling.
RE: …  
christian : 10/2/2022 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15843058 ryanmkeane said:
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Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?


Can you produce a single post that even remotely came close to that?
RE: Pretty please  
5BowlsSoon : 10/2/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15843063 Thegratefulhead said:
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Can a healthy Toney, Robinson and Barkley get on the field at the same time with the quality of this
play calling.


You are asking for a lot on this one…..but nothing is Impossible for those who believe.
RE: …  
bw in dc : 10/2/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15843039 christian said:
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The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.

That was freaking incredible.


Very good point. Once Taylor went down, you could see Daboll in Barkley's ear and telling him he needed to operate the WC.

It was a very smooth transition.

What I wound interesting was that the Bears continued to put a corner out on Jones. Jones would limp out wide like he had a peg leg, and the Bears would still honor him as a threat.

I wouldn't have put a defender within 15 yards of Jones.
RE: …  
PatersonPlank : 10/2/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15843039 christian said:
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The Giants offense with no healthy quarterbacks looked more prepared than under Judge and Garrett.

The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.

That was freaking incredible.


LOL - this is so true. Love the way Daboll gets right in there with the players had fires them up. He has bridged that gap of being like a player, but at the same time commanding the respect of a HC.
So Wonderful to be 3-1  
greatgrandpa : 10/2/2022 9:45 pm : link
Everybody needs enjoy this week. It’s what makes being a fan fun Some concerns. Special teams have not been so good. Fumbled punt return, two Ill advised kickoff returns out of the end zone cost the team about 20 yards in field position (in a close game that’s a lot) if the ball is in the end zone on the fly take the touchback. veteran gunner running out of bounds is inexcusable, long snapping this year has not been the greatest - punter is out kicking the coverage which needs to be adjusted

Positives: I thought the OL blocked well today Saquon is a threat on every down. Jones TD on the fake came when it seemed like all 11 bears went after him. Jones running ability is scary and effective on the RPO but where is the passing game - the bears were cramming into the box and no one outside the TEs could get separation? Can’t tell from the TV view. Negative The Giants have to figure a way to pass in the seams. Gives Saquon more room and gives us all the opportunity to see if Jones is just a runner or a can deliver in the clutch. I would seriously work in some more play actions. The lbers and safetys are certainly going to pinch in toward the line if there is a chance Saquon touches the ball
Just my thoughts
If you  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/2/2022 9:47 pm : link
keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.
Getting a Toney and Robinson  
jvm52106 : 10/2/2022 9:47 pm : link
In the field would help at least from the potential threat that we currently just do not have.

If we can get some semblance of a down field passing attack that will open things up for Barkley.

Golladay needs to go to IR and just stay there. He is basically Sills with less moves and less effort.

If we can get Gates back our Oline gains some serious depth and protects us from an injury to Feliciano.

Defensively we need our Edges to get healthy for more than one game and we really can use Rodarious Williams as our CB's are a bit thin.

We need to win 1 of the next 4 and in reality 2-2 would ideal.
RE: RE: …  
Big Al : 10/2/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15843080 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15843039 christian said:


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The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.

That was freaking incredible.



Very good point. Once Taylor went down, you could see Daboll in Barkley's ear and telling him he needed to operate the WC.

It was a very smooth transition.

What I wound interesting was that the Bears continued to put a corner out on Jones. Jones would limp out wide like he had a peg leg, and the Bears would still honor him as a threat.

I wouldn't have put a defender within 15 yards of Jones.
Probably thought he was still a bigger threat than our wide receivers.
 
christian : 10/2/2022 9:49 pm : link
Yeah, you’d think the Bears would invite the ball to be thrown to Jones.

Bad coaching on the Bears part. Good playing calling on the Giants side.

That moment would have been too much for McAdoo, Shurmur, or Judge.
RE: ill play. ill keep it short and sweet.  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/2/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15843022 Rory said:
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need more 3TE formations

Daniel Bellinger is getting better and better every week.

Dexter Lawrence best game as a Giant

Dane Belton hits like a truck

Jaylon Smith is the only LB we have that looks like a LB.

Slayton is going to get alot of work this week.


Great post. I was down on Bellinger after preseason but he has been solid.

And Lawrence has been possibly the best defensive player on the team. Well, maybe tied with McKinney.
Sadly a gimpy Jones  
Shecky : 10/2/2022 10:02 pm : link
May be our best WR threat
RE: Pretty please  
adamg : 10/2/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15843063 Thegratefulhead said:
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Can a healthy Toney, Robinson and Barkley get on the field at the same time with the quality of this
play calling.


+7
The  
Professor Falken : 10/2/2022 10:24 pm : link
fact that we are able to win any games with this atrocious cast of wide receivers just blows me away. We have half an offense.
RE: If you  
bw in dc : 10/2/2022 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.


I don't follow - why?

Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?
Nice post grateful  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/2/2022 10:43 pm : link
Have to like the spirit today. Always great to see teams overcome obstacles. Great character building.

44 carries won't be practical nor will the style they used today long term. Hopefully they keep finding a wrinkle to add and we get back Toney or something. Stay ahead of down/distance (one of my favorite indicators) they have a chance. The early drives were awesome. What a treat to see a few good runs and boom PA to the TE works.

Lost a bit in this is the D. Through four games letting up 17.9 pts. Wink and the players have really stepped up taking a lot of pressure off the offense.

RE: If you  
Paul326 : 10/2/2022 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.

Eric that’s sacrilege to the anybody but Jones faction. Just sayin’.
RE: RE: …  
gtt350 : 10/2/2022 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15843080 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15843039 christian said:


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Swing and a miss, If Jones isnt covered you just throw him the ball and he throws the ball




The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.

That was freaking incredible.



Very good point. Once Taylor went down, you could see Daboll in Barkley's ear and telling him he needed to operate the WC.

It was a very smooth transition.

What I wound interesting was that the Bears continued to put a corner out on Jones. Jones would limp out wide like he had a peg leg, and the Bears would still honor him as a threat.

I wouldn't have put a defender within 15 yards of Jones.
RE: RE: If you  
BillKo : 10/3/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15843176 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:


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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.



I don't follow - why?

Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?


Agreed.....saying the two are attached has no basis.
RE: RE: …  
ChrisRick : 10/3/2022 12:10 am : link
In comment 15843074 christian said:
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In comment 15843058 ryanmkeane said:


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Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?



Can you produce a single post that even remotely came close to that?


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RE: RE: RE: …  
BillKo : 10/3/2022 12:18 am : link
In comment 15843283 ChrisRick said:
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In comment 15843074 christian said:


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In comment 15843058 ryanmkeane said:


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Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?



Can you produce a single post that even remotely came close to that?

Barkley thread - ( New Window )


LOL, you ask, you receive...........

I will say a lot of that read like a game thread, with a lot of frustration.

I'm not in the that thread, but I was down on Barkley too. He looks like a different player to be honest, more physical and determined.
RE: If you  
JoeSchoens11 : 10/3/2022 12:36 am : link
In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.


Wouldn’t it be the other way around? I don’t think you can keep DJ and remove his only all pro caliber skill player
RE: …  
giantstock : 10/3/2022 1:15 am : link
In comment 15843039 christian said:
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The Giants offense with no healthy quarterbacks looked more prepared than under Judge and Garrett.

The plays were calmly going into the QB, who was relaying them to the wildcat RB, and then executed for a field goal scoring drive.

That was freaking incredible.


+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
RE: If you  
ajr2456 : 10/3/2022 5:30 am : link
In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.


Why? Ones at the top of their position
RE: …  
ajr2456 : 10/3/2022 5:31 am : link
In comment 15843058 ryanmkeane said:
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Barkley is a terrible football player. Where are those posters?


I know you’re not doing call outs of bad takes lol
'We play for each other'  
Ira : 10/3/2022 6:09 am : link
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Ira : 10/3/2022 6:12 am : link
Old video
RE: If you  
an_idol_mind : 10/3/2022 7:20 am : link
In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:
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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.


Teams that finish well can still find quarterbacks. You don't have to tank a season chasing after a draft pick.
I'm not Eric  
JOrthman : 10/3/2022 8:50 am : link
but I think what he's saying is, they are our only offense. Right now, the only thing teams have to respect on our offense is SB's running and Jones threat of running. Our line can barely pass block and when they do, we have no WR's. If you get rid of one or the other, you're essentially tanking the season.
RE: RE: If you  
joeinpa : 10/3/2022 8:57 am : link
In comment 15843176 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15843102 Eric from BBI said:


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keep Barkley, you keep Jones.

Doing otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense.



I don't follow - why?

Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?


Seriously, you watched that game yesterday and concluded all Jones did was hand off to Saquon!

I m surprised by this take.
If you don't understand  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 9:03 am : link
the logic of Jones and Barkley being connected together, read my game preview. It's pretty obvious.
I said  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 9:08 am : link
three months ago, the best thing for the Giants would be for Saquon to be killing it before the trade deadline. And that's what is happening. His trade value is rising each week. He could easily make a huge difference for a playoff team right now. He should fetch AT LEAST one #1 pick.

The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.

But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.
RE: I said  
ajr2456 : 10/3/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15843527 Eric from BBI said:
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three months ago, the best thing for the Giants would be for Saquon to be killing it before the trade deadline. And that's what is happening. His trade value is rising each week. He could easily make a huge difference for a playoff team right now. He should fetch AT LEAST one #1 pick.

The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.

But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.


Your post said if you keep Barkley you keep Jones, which is completely different.
RE: RE: RE: If you  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 11:05 am : link
In comment 15843509 joeinpa said:
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I don't follow - why?

Another QB couldn't hand off and throw to SB?



Seriously, you watched that game yesterday and concluded all Jones did was hand off to Saquon!

I m surprised by this take.


My comment had nothing to do with yesterday. It was a general statement that handing off and throwing to SB isn't something precious between Jones and SB.
RE: I said  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 11:12 am : link
In comment 15843527 Eric from BBI said:
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The problem for Schoen right now is the fan base would be livid if they traded him. But if you part ways with Jones and want to draft another QB, (1) the Giants need more draft capital than they have right now, (2) Barkley will be 28 by the time this team is in serious contention again, (3) he's already had two seasons shortened with injuries, one very serious, (4) he plays a position where the shelf life is not long.

But if you keep Jones, you keep Barkley.


That makes zero sense to me, but to each their own.

The more interesting comment is the comment that Schoen should dictate personnel decisions based on fan reaction. Really?

Scene:

Another GM: "Joe, I'll give you our first and two-twos for Saquon right now..."
Schoen: "I'd love to, but I can't."
Another GM: "Why? Mara?"
Schoen: "No, the fan base will get mad at me. And I don't like it when the fans get mad at me..."

JFC.
bw in dc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 11:21 am : link
I'm pretty sure you felt Barkley was a "luxury" pick in 2018.

If you felt that way then, nothing should have changed. If anything, you should feel more strongly about not paying a RB a huge contract on a team without a QB.
ajr2456  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 11:22 am : link
If you keep Barkley, you keep Jones. I've explained why.
RE: ajr2456  
ajr2456 : 10/3/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15843840 Eric from BBI said:
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If you keep Barkley, you keep Jones. I've explained why.


You can keep Barkley and get a rookie QB. We won’t be a championship contender with Jones in the next three seasons either in all likely hood, so what is the difference?

With the money we have available this offseason we could have a rookie QB, give him a safety valve like Saqoun and make his development much easier. Normally I’d say the financials don’t make sense but with this coaching staff I think there is a huge benefit to keeping Saqoun no matter who is at QB.
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