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| Ian Rapoport @RapSheet #Giants QB Daniel Jones, who left Sunday’s win with an ankle injury, is considered day-to-day, source said. While tests will continue, there is some optimism that he plays… which is good. That means Saquon Barkley can play running back. |
Exactly BBB. That was the point I was making above about Webb giving us the best chance this week. Taylor is probably out so didn't bother including him and a DJ's who cannot move is a sitting duck. Webb isn't Jones athletically but he was mobile enough this summer and more accurately, CAN MOVE with two good ankles..
I'd rather sit Jones this week and have him ready to go for those 5 games, all games that are "winnable."
Another week where Ravens fans are wondering why they let Wink go.
BTW, ... Ravens, Seahawks, Texans and Lions are the bottom 4 defenses in terms of yardage allowed. The Giants can do some damage against those teams if we can get somewhat healthy.
As far as player toughness goes I'd expect him to go Sunday. I mean, he went back into the game so it's not that bad. Nothing is wrong with his arm.
Sills may have even more QB experience than Toney.
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and you can walk with a limp and then must be fine.
Or it could be a high ankle sprain. If it is that , it is obviously a multi-week injury and it would be his 3rd in 4 years and his play has always gone downhill after them because he rushes back.
Hoping it’s a basketball sprain obv
If it was high ankle he wouodnt of been able to go back into that game
Yes on the basketball sprains, a buddy of mine that I played
JUCO hoops with had a real problem with basketball sprains.
Man, the tape jobs he had on his ankles, I was lucky that I didn't have those issues back in the day...
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God forbid we're dependent on him, for obvious reasons, but he's got the most QB experience of anyone on the team who's not actually a QB. I think just bringing someone off the street isn't a great option. Who was our 4th string QB in preseason? I can't remember.
Sills may have even more QB experience than Toney.
I didn't realize that, but you are right. Both were HS QBs who converted to WR in their freshman years of college.
Yes he went back in, but couldn't really move.
If the Giants were behind in that game, they would have been
screwed, lets see how it heals this week?
Or is it the fact they have no WRs and the teams best weapon is Barkley?
Perhaps the best option for this team right now is Barkley and Jones moving around because the WRs cant get open and the best way to move the ball is run?
not everything is about not trusting Jones, no matter how much you say it
Giants Medical staff..
Why do you keep pushing this mantra on multiple threads. We have no Wrs, and OL that struggles in pass protection, and two good runners tin Barkley and Jones. All this makes more sense as the reasoning, but of course you position the decision to throw a negative light on Jones
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Daniel Jones has no value if he can't run.
Why do you keep pushing this mantra on multiple threads. We have no Wrs, and OL that struggles in pass protection, and two good runners tin Barkley and Jones. All this makes more sense as the reasoning, but of course you position the decision to throw a negative light on Jones
He's a troll.
If Barkley lines up at QB, He can hand off to Toney who can throw it to a receiver.
If Barkley lines up at QB, He can hand off to Toney who can throw it to a receiver.
I wouldn't trust giving Toney that much responsibility, and my guess is the coaching staff wouldn't either. I'd rather run the Wildcat with Barkley.
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Daniel Jones has no value if he can't run.
Why do you keep pushing this mantra on multiple threads. We have no Wrs, and OL that struggles in pass protection, and two good runners tin Barkley and Jones. All this makes more sense as the reasoning, but of course you position the decision to throw a negative light on Jones
He's a troll.
Why do you all push this mantra that somehow Jones is the good QB but it's all the others that are his problem? Someone who plays hard and does a few good runs when you have the best Running back in football running for like 150 yards + every game provides a great decoy for joens running. THat is all he is.
Who are these great wide receivers that Aaron Rodgers has? I know it is unfair to compare a legend of the sport but still, how many on here attribute Mahomes success to Ty Hill.
A Rodgers success to Devante Adams?
Meanwhile I watched those guys yesterday and Mahomes looked like Mahomes and A Rodgers looked like A Rodgers. Sure they have had their struggles but, why do I get the feeling Goliday's struggles have more to do with Jones , not the other way around.
face facts if either of those 2 played QB on the Giants Golliday would look like an All pro.
If it were a playoff game tomorrow, different story.
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Daniel Jones has no value if he can't run.
Why do you keep pushing this mantra on multiple threads. We have no Wrs, and OL that struggles in pass protection, and two good runners tin Barkley and Jones. All this makes more sense as the reasoning, but of course you position the decision to throw a negative light on Jones
He's a troll.
You're the troll, trying to shut down debate and defame Giants fans who don't agree with you.
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In comment 15843909 Producer said:
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Daniel Jones has no value if he can't run.
Why do you keep pushing this mantra on multiple threads. We have no Wrs, and OL that struggles in pass protection, and two good runners tin Barkley and Jones. All this makes more sense as the reasoning, but of course you position the decision to throw a negative light on Jones
He's a troll.
Why do you all push this mantra that somehow Jones is the good QB but it's all the others that are his problem? Someone who plays hard and does a few good runs when you have the best Running back in football running for like 150 yards + every game provides a great decoy for joens running. THat is all he is.
Who are these great wide receivers that Aaron Rodgers has? I know it is unfair to compare a legend of the sport but still, how many on here attribute Mahomes success to Ty Hill.
A Rodgers success to Devante Adams?
Meanwhile I watched those guys yesterday and Mahomes looked like Mahomes and A Rodgers looked like A Rodgers. Sure they have had their struggles but, why do I get the feeling Goliday's struggles have more to do with Jones , not the other way around.
face facts if either of those 2 played QB on the Giants Golliday would look like an All pro.
Mahomes has the best tight end in football and 2 receivers that would be the best receiver on the giants by far..
Rodgers and thr packers offense has struggldd and a lot of their stuff is quick passes and screens, getting Jones in space..
Rodgers has struggled this year..
Giants can beat the Packers, with or without Jones.
Bailey Zappe played quarterback for the Patriots in Lambeau yesterday and had the Packers on the ropes with 5 minutes left.
I think they should fly Toney and Golladay out to London a few days early.
And then just forfeit and leave them there...
If it were a playoff game tomorrow, different story.
If it was a high ankle sprain they would not have let him back into that game yesterday
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In comment 15843909 Producer said:
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Daniel Jones has no value if he can't run.
Why do you keep pushing this mantra on multiple threads. We have no Wrs, and OL that struggles in pass protection, and two good runners tin Barkley and Jones. All this makes more sense as the reasoning, but of course you position the decision to throw a negative light on Jones
He's a troll.
Why do you all push this mantra that somehow Jones is the good QB but it's all the others that are his problem? Someone who plays hard and does a few good runs when you have the best Running back in football running for like 150 yards + every game provides a great decoy for joens running. THat is all he is.
Who are these great wide receivers that Aaron Rodgers has? I know it is unfair to compare a legend of the sport but still, how many on here attribute Mahomes success to Ty Hill.
A Rodgers success to Devante Adams?
Meanwhile I watched those guys yesterday and Mahomes looked like Mahomes and A Rodgers looked like A Rodgers. Sure they have had their struggles but, why do I get the feeling Goliday's struggles have more to do with Jones , not the other way around.
face facts if either of those 2 played QB on the Giants Golliday would look like an All pro.
Actually I don't think Jones is that good a QB, I think he he very average as NFL QB's go. Depending on his surrounding cast I think he can be a 13-20 type QB (rankings vs 32).
Having said that we are 3-1, he is executing the game plan put to him, and we are doing a lot better than most thought. Why is it then that some posters just continue to bash Jones and complain, like you? Rather than give him credit for 2 rushing TDs, not turnovers, etc., no lets just bash him again and again on every thread. Thats what I have a problem with
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So let him sit the week out and heal up. Let one of the back ups get some playing time.
Giants can beat the Packers, with or without Jones.
Bailey Zappe played quarterback for the Patriots in Lambeau yesterday and had the Packers on the ropes with 5 minutes left.
That's my point. Let Webb play. We most likely are losing to GB, but send Webb in to play. I am not saying throw the game, just protect DJ by letting him rest and playing Webb.
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and you can walk with a limp and then must be fine.
Or it could be a high ankle sprain. If it is that , it is obviously a multi-week injury and it would be his 3rd in 4 years and his play has always gone downhill after them because he rushes back.
Hoping it’s a basketball sprain obv
If it was high ankle he wouodnt of been able to go back into that game
For what they asked of him, he absolutely would have been able to go back in even with a high ankle sprain. He could have been out there with crutches to do what they were asking him to do at the very end.
I wouldn't look at that as any sort of indication of his availability for this week, other than optimism. It was pretty clear that BD/MK would have preferred to not send DJ back out there but they had no other choice.
Webb gives us the best chance to run the offense and hope our defense can frustrate the Packers.
GB isn't GB from two years ago. Yes, their skill set is better than ours but, their OLine is average and the receivers are young and make a lot of mistakes.
and put Adoree on Lazard
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
How do you know that? THe reason why I complain about Jones is because this team is not that far off as many realize. We are also squandering prime Barkley years on a QB that is basically a jag.
We have the best tackle in all of football. We have the best running back in all of football. We have a D that hasn't looked this good in years. We have coaching that has not looked this good since pre 2011 Tom Coughlin.
Why do you want to squander all of that on some jag that has not passed for over 200 yards in game yet this year? I bet you could find about 3 dozen college football QBs who are not even 1st round prospects that could have done what Jones has done so far.
When I first got here 2 weeks ago , all I heard was "no excuses" . Now 2 weeks later it's "well you can't count things like passing yards because of the wide recievers".
Again who were thee guys that Aaron Rodgers has? Lazard a guy who was not a 500 yard receiver? An old Randall Cobb and Sammy Watkins?
Sure he struggled. If you want to consider throwing 200 yards minimum a game ; on pace for 4000 yards this season and 20 some odd TDs really struggling. Not to mention being 3-1 as well. I wish we had a QB struggling like that.
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On the roster, but DJ is the problem?
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
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On the roster, but DJ is the problem?
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
I"m a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants so I guess I can answer. Because the eye test shows he's making good decisions, making some very good throws, moving well with the ball and making things happen, all of this despite having absolutely no-one to throw the ball to and an OL that can't pass block, save Thomas and is starting to succeed in getting him killed.
exactly!
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In comment 15843607 VinegarPeppers said:
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On the roster, but DJ is the problem?
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
I"m a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants so I guess I can answer. Because the eye test shows he's making good decisions, making some very good throws, moving well with the ball and making things happen, all of this despite having absolutely no-one to throw the ball to and an OL that can't pass block, save Thomas and is starting to succeed in getting him killed.
A fan of every player on the Giants, but willing to talk shit about almost every player on offense other than DJ because they're the excuse for his lack of production, never the other way around. So no, you're not a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants.
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In comment 15843607 VinegarPeppers said:
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On the roster, but DJ is the problem?
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
I"m a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants so I guess I can answer. Because the eye test shows he's making good decisions, making some very good throws, moving well with the ball and making things happen, all of this despite having absolutely no-one to throw the ball to and an OL that can't pass block, save Thomas and is starting to succeed in getting him killed.
A fan of every player on the Giants, but willing to talk shit about almost every player on offense other than DJ because they're the excuse for his lack of production, never the other way around. So no, you're not a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants.
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On the roster, but DJ is the problem?
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
I"m a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants so I guess I can answer. Because the eye test shows he's making good decisions, making some very good throws, moving well with the ball and making things happen, all of this despite having absolutely no-one to throw the ball to and an OL that can't pass block, save Thomas and is starting to succeed in getting him killed.
A fan of every player on the Giants, but willing to talk shit about almost every player on offense other than DJ because they're the excuse for his lack of production, never the other way around. So no, you're not a member of the fan club of every player on the Giants.
Oh my God, oh my God, I wish you the best Dunk
Thanks!
As far as player toughness goes I'd expect him to go Sunday. I mean, he went back into the game so it's not that bad. Nothing is wrong with his arm.
It means nothing of the sort. It means they are protecting his ankle which can get effed up in the pocket, too.
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Toney as QB in Wildcat can hand off to Barkley, or run it himself or throw it.
If Barkley lines up at QB, He can hand off to Toney who can throw it to a receiver.
I wouldn't trust giving Toney that much responsibility, and my guess is the coaching staff wouldn't either. I'd rather run the Wildcat with Barkley.
Not sure I agree with you. They ran a designed throw for Toney who correctly pulled it down and ran with it. I think if Toney was not "injured" they would design several plays for him out of the wildcat. I have a strange feeling that this may actually entice Toney to play. Same formation with Toney, Breida and Barkley.
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On the roster, but DJ is the problem?
Why is the DJFC incapable of seeing things through anything other than a binary lens?
Why can't both be true?
Because trolls like you never see it as tertiary(not binary). The OLine, lack of WRs and Jones himself are reasons for lack of offense - and probably in that order of delinquency.
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That would basically be the coaches saying he's worth little as a pocket passer.
As far as player toughness goes I'd expect him to go Sunday. I mean, he went back into the game so it's not that bad. Nothing is wrong with his arm.
It means nothing of the sort. It means they are protecting his ankle which can get effed up in the pocket, too.
Both things can be accurate. I agree that it's not necessarily ENTIRELY an indictment of DJ's skill as a pocket passer, but I'd add that if DJ were just a pocket passer, his mobility (or lack thereof, due to injury) would be less of an issue. We've seen traditional pocket passers go out there on bum wheels and make a go of it, but QBs who rely on their legs as a significant part of their game are much more hampered by any sort of leg injury.
DJ is not the type of QB who is going to carve up a defense from the pocket to begin with, and it's even less feasible for him to do so with a weak WR corps and a leaky OL. And that's what this injury might force him into being. So this does say something (not everything, but something) about DJ's shortcomings as a pure passer (and his strengths as a runner, to be fair) if BD/MK opt to sit him this week, IMO.
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That would basically be the coaches saying he's worth little as a pocket passer.
As far as player toughness goes I'd expect him to go Sunday. I mean, he went back into the game so it's not that bad. Nothing is wrong with his arm.
It means nothing of the sort. It means they are protecting his ankle which can get effed up in the pocket, too.
Both things can be accurate. I agree that it's not necessarily ENTIRELY an indictment of DJ's skill as a pocket passer, but I'd add that if DJ were just a pocket passer, his mobility (or lack thereof, due to injury) would be less of an issue.
DJ is not the type of QB who is going to carve up a defense from the pocket to begin with, and it's even less feasible for him to do so with a weak WR corps and a leaky OL. And that's what this injury might force him into being.
#1 - even pocket passers have to be able to move. But I suppose that if you took running away from Aaron, Lamar and Kyler, they would not be as effective or scary. To a lesser extent Allen just because he has WRs and a rifle/cannon arm.
#2 - On what grounds can you make a statement that Jones cannot carve up a defense from the pocket? It is true because he has no receivers worth a crap and he has the DTs in his face immediately after the snap.
He did pretty well for a stretch his rookie season. His issue was with fumbling more than anything. All QBs throw INTs and even his were not that egregious.
I also agree that Jones might have developed into a more surgical QB with a better supporting cast. That's true of several starting QBs on bad teams, and probably moot as far as his NYG career is concerned. There are conflicting signs - some good, some bad - and we'll probably never know.
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That would basically be the coaches saying he's worth little as a pocket passer.
As far as player toughness goes I'd expect him to go Sunday. I mean, he went back into the game so it's not that bad. Nothing is wrong with his arm.
It means nothing of the sort. It means they are protecting his ankle which can get effed up in the pocket, too.
Both things can be accurate. I agree that it's not necessarily ENTIRELY an indictment of DJ's skill as a pocket passer, but I'd add that if DJ were just a pocket passer, his mobility (or lack thereof, due to injury) would be less of an issue.
DJ is not the type of QB who is going to carve up a defense from the pocket to begin with, and it's even less feasible for him to do so with a weak WR corps and a leaky OL. And that's what this injury might force him into being.
#1 - even pocket passers have to be able to move. But I suppose that if you took running away from Aaron, Lamar and Kyler, they would not be as effective or scary. To a lesser extent Allen just because he has WRs and a rifle/cannon arm. Why would you rattle off four QBs who are distinctly NOT just pure pocket passers? That does nothing to support your point.
#2 - On what grounds can you make a statement that Jones cannot carve up a defense from the pocket? It is true because he has no receivers worth a crap and he has the DTs in his face immediately after the snap.
He did pretty well for a stretch his rookie season. His issue was with fumbling more than anything. All QBs throw INTs and even his were not that egregious. Because he never has, at any level. He's always been a dual-threat QB, and it's the only thing that makes him remotely viable as a QB. As just a passer, his limitations in pre/post-snap reads and decision-making would be exposed.
I would say that the pure pocket passer who can carve up a defense is a rare breed anyway, strictly in terms of those who can do so with no mobility at all. It would be the Brady, Marino, Manning type of QB. Guys who could play QB effectively within a 3 foot circle.
I'm not saying that as an insult to DJ to say he can't carve up a defense with just his arm; I'm saying it as a categorization of QB style. If you're being intellectually honest about it, do you think DJ would have been a 1st round pick (let alone 6th overall) if he didn't possess the running ability that he does? And if he were to suffer an injury that permanently robbed him of his mobility, do you think he'd be able to adjust (like Marino after he blew out his Achilles, although Marino was never especially mobile to begin with)?
DJ's value as a QB - no matter where any fan stands on his overall ability and potential - includes what he brings as a runner. I don't think that's in question, is it? So an injury that robs him of his mobility has a greater impact than it does on a pure pocket passer, even if the same injury also were to rob them of their mobility.
I don't think it's an especially controversial take to say that DJ's ankle injury has a more negative effect on his style of play than it would on a pure pocket passer. And in that sense, there is at least some part of the consideration that has to factor for whether BD/MK feel like they can craft a successful gameplan that includes DJ at QB but does not require his running skills.
And if they decide they can't, it's partly an indication that DJ needs to be able to run in order to succeed, IMO. Again, I don't think this is a controversial take.
If Barkley lines up at QB, He can hand off to Toney who can throw it to a receiver.
Come on, Toney has struggled learning the playbook as a WR, now you want him to run it as a QB? Not happening.
If Jones can't go, Webb will be the QB, they'll sign someone who is familiar with Daboll's offense as a backup. I still think Daniel starts.