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Warm up that contract for Dexter Lawrence...

bluewave : 10/3/2022 7:45 am
Talkin Giants just broke down what he's done so far this year. Besides Aaron Donald he's one of the best DL in the NFL. He's getting double teams better than 65% of the time and win rate is with the likes of Jonathan Allen, Grady Jarrett, and Quinnen Williams.

Let's start locking up players who deserve to be here!!!
Lawrence is finally playing the position he was born to play.  
Ivan15 : 10/3/2022 8:02 am : link
Too bad no one thought of that a year or two ago.
7 QB hits on the season  
CromartiesKid21 : 10/3/2022 8:04 am : link
Making flashy plays...let's not let this DT get away like the others
 
christian : 10/3/2022 8:05 am : link
Financially the Giants won’t be in a rush to extend him, until they figure out what to do with Jones and Barkley. Picking up his 5th year option looks obvious and smart now.
Besides Aaron Donald, he is one of the best DL in the NFL??  
Jimmy Googs : 10/3/2022 8:18 am : link
Dexter Larence playing well or really should I say maybe at expectations doesn't make him one of the best in the league. He was the #17 overall pick in the 2019 Draft after all.

I think this new regime was really looking for Lawrence to step up this season based on some comments made from earlier this offseason. And it was moreso the step-up from playing too many average games to start putting up consistently good ones.

But let's put one of the best DL in the NFL away for a bit please. And any talk of a mega-contract.

Comping our DL near to the ability and pay-grade of Aaron Donald didn't do us any favors last time. Let's not have another repeat of that mistake...
wait  
Giantsfan79 : 10/3/2022 8:19 am : link
the Giants are allowed to draft good DL and then sign them to second contracts?
Respectfully, I disagree  
aGiantGuy : 10/3/2022 8:20 am : link
If he was purely a run-stopper I’d get it. How many Nose guards in today’s NFL can play from 0-5 technique competently and are top pass rushers and run defenders at their position. Barkley and Jones should have nothing to do with his extension, right now, he’s earning it.
RE: Lawrence is finally playing the position he was born to play.  
Heisenberg : 10/3/2022 8:22 am : link
In comment 15843409 Ivan15 said:
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Too bad no one thought of that a year or two ago.


This. I never understood playing him at end. Let the interior guys try to handle him on every play.
RE: Respectfully, I disagree  
christian : 10/3/2022 8:22 am : link
In comment 15843443 aGiantGuy said:
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If he was purely a run-stopper I’d get it. How many Nose guards in today’s NFL can play from 0-5 technique competently and are top pass rushers and run defenders at their position. Barkley and Jones should have nothing to do with his extension, right now, he’s earning it.


That’s unfortunately not how contract extensions for players who are under contract for two years work. It’s also been 4 games.
Don't want to rain on the Dexter Lawrence parade here  
M.S. : 10/3/2022 8:33 am : link

but just want to repeat that things got a lot easier after Cody Whitehair went out with an injury early in the game.
RE: Don't want to rain on the Dexter Lawrence parade here  
UConn4523 : 10/3/2022 8:40 am : link
In comment 15843459 M.S. said:
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but just want to repeat that things got a lot easier after Cody Whitehair went out with an injury early in the game.


Sure, and he isn't playing with LW right now either, that works both ways, right?
RE: RE: Respectfully, I disagree  
aGiantGuy : 10/3/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15843447 christian said:
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In comment 15843443 aGiantGuy said:


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If he was purely a run-stopper I’d get it. How many Nose guards in today’s NFL can play from 0-5 technique competently and are top pass rushers and run defenders at their position. Barkley and Jones should have nothing to do with his extension, right now, he’s earning it.



That’s unfortunately not how contract extensions for players who are under contract for two years work. It’s also been 4 games.


Lawrence’s play was never below NFL average, it just didn’t live up to his draft slot. The way he’s playing now and the 2,000 snaps of NFL versatility he’s already put on film should put him in the convo. He’s missed 0 games in almost 3.25 seasons. The scheme we’re in should play a factor.

I think it makes sense from the standpoint that you can front load him a bunch of money so that his hit can lower when it’s time to pay the 2 edge rushers, if they hit.

Plus, the shelf life for the position is ideal. If they want to wait 2 years, they surely can, I just think it’s the wrong move. I’m not going to bet against him but you have every right to.
RE: RE: Don't want to rain on the Dexter Lawrence parade here  
M.S. : 10/3/2022 8:52 am : link
In comment 15843467 UConn4523 said:
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but just want to repeat that things got a lot easier after Cody Whitehair went out with an injury early in the game.



Sure, and he isn't playing with LW right now either, that works both ways, right?

Probably. And on the first play against Cody Whitehair's replacement, Dexter put the guy on roller skates and smashed into Fields.
He  
TommyWiseau : 10/3/2022 8:56 am : link
along with McKinney and possibly Barkley (if he can stay healthy) are going to be looking for long term deals. These are players we need to keep
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/3/2022 9:05 am : link
he's coming into his own
RE: RE: Don't want to rain on the Dexter Lawrence parade here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2022 9:12 am : link
In comment 15843467 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15843459 M.S. said:


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but just want to repeat that things got a lot easier after Cody Whitehair went out with an injury early in the game.



Sure, and he isn't playing with LW right now either, that works both ways, right?


He's kicking ass this year. I've been a harsh critic. That said, I still don't like that a guy drafted that high needed 3 years to show it. I'm not racing to the counter to pay him like he's elite just yet.

I'm still waiting for the OP to tell us  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/3/2022 9:15 am : link
who the EIGHT teams are next year with TWO first round picks each. He brought it up on multiple threads, so he must be confident that he's right about that. I guess I'll just keep reminding him to provide an answer.
People on here  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/3/2022 9:23 am : link
Were pissed that his 5th year option was picked up. Now people want to sign him long term. How things change.
The BBI reaction to Dexter’s option being picked up  
cosmicj : 10/3/2022 9:24 am : link
Was very positive.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/3/2022 9:25 am : link
Amazing what the right system and coaching can do.
how much can they realistically put into the DT position?  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 9:27 am : link
The one thing that gives me pause is that they're already paying Williams a lot of money.
Another checkbox on Daboll  
Racer : 10/3/2022 9:47 am : link
and his staff's "put players in a position to do what they do well" column.

More images of the previous regime in the rear view mirror that conjure frustration.
RE: how much can they realistically put into the DT position?  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/3/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15843579 Greg from LI said:
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The one thing that gives me pause is that they're already paying Williams a lot of money.


Very fair consideration. Wink wants to make teams one dimensional and he absolutely loves Dex.

What they have behind him and what they think they can get in the draft and doing the whole cost analysis will factor in and for now they have time. What they do at the QB spot may factor in as well.

One big thing to be considered. JS/BD having come from Buffalo had two big flaws on both sides of the LOS between the tackles. I am hoping they make the proper adjustments here. We'll see.


He's been great this year  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/3/2022 10:29 am : link
...but he was very inconsistent last year.

Probably because he was playing out of position, and almost surely because Patrick Graham sucks.
He's playing well  
JonC : 10/3/2022 10:30 am : link
but I'd be in no hurry to tee up a monster contract for him, let him perform well for the full season, ffs.
He kicked ass yesterday  
Andy in Halifax : 10/3/2022 10:47 am : link
We are thin on talent on defense, but I would love to see KT, Ojulari, Williams and Lawrence stay healthy this year and see what havoc they can wreak.
I’m as big a dex fan as anyone. Wanted him drafted when we did and  
Tuckrule : 10/3/2022 10:57 am : link
Was thrilled. I’m not giving a big contract to dex. He’s 350 lbs plus. Not banking on health as he ages.
RE: He's playing well  
Festina Lente : 10/3/2022 11:13 am : link
In comment 15843729 JonC said:
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but I'd be in no hurry to tee up a monster contract for him, let him perform well for the full season, ffs.


This fan base is truly maddening at times. So hard to get reasonable takes. He was great yesterday but please let's take a breath.
Fans tend to be week to week  
JonC : 10/3/2022 11:14 am : link
I'm here to address it, lol.
RE: how much can they realistically put into the DT position?  
UConn4523 : 10/3/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15843579 Greg from LI said:
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The one thing that gives me pause is that they're already paying Williams a lot of money.


LW is a FA after next season, don't think his cost has much bearing on what we do with Lawrence.
this was from week 2 so after this week he's prob going even higher  
Eric on Li : 10/3/2022 11:21 am : link
as far as contract extension it entirely depends on how reasonable he's willing to be. They have the 5YO, they also have the tag 2x after that if necessary, which as we've seen is pretty reasonable for a very good IDL.

so they have 1 year + 2 option years that require no dead money risk. Combine the 3 and it probably gets you close to the ball park of an extension (3 or 4 years, 40m-50m). in dex's case i think it's a no brainer because of how durable he's been and the fact that you could probably leverage a reasonable amount of guaranteed money to get an AAV cap hit not that much higher than the 5yo he's scheduled for next year but for 3 or 4 years.

RE: how much can they realistically put into the DT position?  
Eric on Li : 10/3/2022 11:27 am : link
In comment 15843579 Greg from LI said:
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The one thing that gives me pause is that they're already paying Williams a lot of money.


plenty of teams put big $ into their DL's.
the Rams won SB with Donald and Floyd (16m aav).
Wink's Ravens had Calais/Wolfe and usually paid 1 of their NT well (williams for a while, now pierce).
Steelers paid both Heyward and Tuitt for a while.
Eagles paying Hargrove and Cox.
Tampa won SB with Vea and Suh.

so it's not impossible - especially if they can get dex signed at a reasonable number closer to NT money (~$10m AAV).
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