1. He is slow. He is not manning up on anyone.
2. Where does he play? He's not a deep safety.
3. If you think putting him at LB is the answer, remember that multiple DCs have tried this with him and he was dead set against it.
It doesn't hurt to bring him in, give him a look, and talk with him. We know Wink would have a plan for him. So, we'll see where this ends up.
It’s a concussion but he did tweet about the win last night. Also stated that he was good and would be back soon. I think this is all about giving Wink another chess piece to his defense and not Julian Love’s health.
International travel might be a bit much in the span of less than a week.
I doubt this is a long term look and more of we need a guy to be able to play a big nickel look, with some ability to play the TE and play the run. But, might just be do diligence.
saying the Giants aren't going to sign anyone, but fans fall victim to this every year. The Giants (and other teams) work out players around the league on a weekly basis. We worked about about 8 players last week.
Two weeks ago, they bring in Jaylon Smith and he played pretty effectively yesterday in Wink's scheme.
If Wink sees that kind of impact by possibly bringing in Landon, then I say trust the Wink!
But with a 3-1 record and a winnable game vs. GB next Sunday in London, it seems like the team has a jump in their step not to mention the coaching staff and GM!
Let's see where this takes us.
I don’t see Collins as a replacement for Love. Different skill set.
Collins’ game is more like Peppers’ game. That being said, if Collins can play like he did during his second (or was it third?) year, that might be worthwhile in a positionless defense.
LANDON CALLING 2.0?
Talk about timing: #Giants will welcome old friend Landon Collins for a visit today, source confirms, as @JFowlerESPN reported.
I’m told Collins’ visit was already scheduled before rash of injuries hit NYG yesterday. Intriguing fit in Wink’s defense as S/LB.
Even our smallest LB are 6’3” 235/240. Collins is what, 6’ 220. He isn’t needed on the outside and can’t play inside. He can’t cover so just what does he do. If Wink has a plan so be it but I don’t see what he brings.
1. He is slow. He is not manning up on anyone.
2. Where does he play? He's not a deep safety.
3. If you think putting him at LB is the answer, remember that multiple DCs have tried this with him and he was dead set against it.
It doesn't hurt to bring him in, give him a look, and talk with him. We know Wink would have a plan for him. So, we'll see where this ends up.
When he has been placed in that LB role he has been successful at it…in NY as well DC. Heck the other ex-Giant turned WTF player alos turned out to be a decent Oline when he switched positions. For as bad as Flowers was at LT, it baffled me that they didn’t put him in at Guard which he proved to be a decent starter.
As it relates to Landon, the bigger question is whether we can afford him.
RE: RE: I just don't like it for a couple of reasons.
1. He is slow. He is not manning up on anyone.
2. Where does he play? He's not a deep safety.
3. If you think putting him at LB is the answer, remember that multiple DCs have tried this with him and he was dead set against it.
It doesn't hurt to bring him in, give him a look, and talk with him. We know Wink would have a plan for him. So, we'll see where this ends up.
When he has been placed in that LB role he has been successful at it…in NY as well DC. Heck the other ex-Giant turned WTF player alos turned out to be a decent Oline when he switched positions. For as bad as Flowers was at LT, it baffled me that they didn’t put him in at Guard which he proved to be a decent starter.
As it relates to Landon, the bigger question is whether we can afford him.
The Giants approached him about LB. He was dead set against it. Flowers was their baby that they risked their careers over. Instead of admitting a mistake, they just kept saying he was the answer.
A huge difference I notice this year vs years past. This year they seem to bring in more veteran guys. Guys who have starting and playing experience. Where as in years past the guys they would bring in each week were UDFA who didnt make other teams.
Personally, I like this approach better. But the "names" stand out much greater this year, such as a Collins, then them bringing in no names of years past.
Collins is at a different place in his career now. He’s a FA that hasn’t been signed after 4 weeks into a season. He’d probably play nose tackle at this point if he needed too. Him not wanting to play linebacker several years ago is irrelevant now
Collins is at a different place in his career now. He’s a FA that hasn’t been signed after 4 weeks into a season. He’d probably play nose tackle at this point if he needed too. Him not wanting to play linebacker several years ago is irrelevant now
I 100% agree with that. All I was getting at is if his heart isn't in it then it doesn't matter where he is.
Wink Martindale: "If you have a slow MIKE, you have a slow defense."
Giants were in talks with Landon Collins before yesterday, and he'll visit today. They see a fit in the box, always Collins' strength.
But Landon has always fought notion of being a LB. Does that matter now?
I don't know what they might have in mind for Landon Collins. The visit could just be diligence on available street talent, as Eric suggests. In any case, Collins lacks the coverage skills to replace Love. As a backup for Crowder, or extra safety depth, he might be an upgrade.
Even our smallest LB are 6’3” 235/240. Collins is what, 6’ 220. He isn’t needed on the outside and can’t play inside. He can’t cover so just what does he do. If Wink has a plan so be it but I don’t see what he brings.
He is a good blitzer - most running backs cant handle him.
But I agree with your point, he is one-dimensional - which explains why he is available to sign.
Kinda doubt Collins is 220 at this point in his career.
Could be 100% wrong on this but I thought the Giants would have liked to have Peppers back but couldn’t afford him. I thought he could be valuable in Wink’s defense. I think Collins is not as good as Peppers but could serve in a similar way especially blitzing and if he’s affordable, why not?
Wink wants a sledgehammer in a hybrid LB role to stop screen passes
Also, there’s no way they are viewing him as a safety. He’ll be in the box. Although this defense is position-less and 2nd and 3rd & long.
I haven’t watched Collins play in a couple years but I’m assuming he’s still a better athlete and player than any of the “LBs” they have at the moment.
The legend of Jabrill Peppers just won't go away around here, huh? The guy couldn't cover for shit and he was a lousy tackler. Collins at least wraps up.
So Peppers is playing for Belichick and Collins is trying out for the Giants who have no money to spend. Does that mean anything about what each guy can do now?
So Peppers is playing for Belichick and Collins is trying out for the Giants who have no money to spend. Does that mean anything about what each guy can do now?
Peppers is playing for no money, so does that say something too?
Details on the Jabrill Peppers deal:
* 1 year, $2M
* $300K signing bonus
* $225K workout bonus
* $1.05M base fully guaranteed
* $25k per-game roster bonus
* Up to $3M in playing-time incentives
So Peppers is playing for Belichick and Collins is trying out for the Giants who have no money to spend. Does that mean anything about what each guy can do now?
Peppers is playing for no money, so does that say something too?
Details on the Jabrill Peppers deal:
* 1 year, $2M
* $300K signing bonus
* $225K workout bonus
* $1.05M base fully guaranteed
* $25k per-game roster bonus
* Up to $3M in playing-time incentives
With $1.35M total fully guaranteed
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Peppers is getting minimal playing time for the Pats, limited snaps. More time on special teams. I watched most of the Pats/Packers late game yesterday. BB apparently doesn't trust Peppers either, I wasn't sorry to see him go.
Peppers is a backup in a weak defense on a 1-3 team
So Peppers is playing for Belichick and Collins is trying out for the Giants who have no money to spend. Does that mean anything about what each guy can do now?
Peppers is playing for no money, so does that say something too?
Details on the Jabrill Peppers deal:
* 1 year, $2M
* $300K signing bonus
* $225K workout bonus
* $1.05M base fully guaranteed
* $25k per-game roster bonus
* Up to $3M in playing-time incentives
With $1.35M total fully guaranteed
.
Peppers is getting minimal playing time for the Pats, limited snaps. More time on special teams. I watched most of the Pats/Packers late game yesterday. BB apparently doesn't trust Peppers either, I wasn't sorry to see him go.
He's less than a year removed from a ruptured ACL (with a high ankle sprain thrown in for good measure). That probably has more to do with his playing time at this point.
2. Where does he play? He's not a deep safety.
3. If you think putting him at LB is the answer, remember that multiple DCs have tried this with him and he was dead set against it.
It doesn't hurt to bring him in, give him a look, and talk with him. We know Wink would have a plan for him. So, we'll see where this ends up.
I doubt this is a long term look and more of we need a guy to be able to play a big nickel look, with some ability to play the TE and play the run. But, might just be do diligence.
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Former Miami Dolphins offensive guard Solomon Kindley is working out for the Giants today, per source.
Started 13 games in 2020, played in 16 (with 2 starts) last year.
If Wink sees that kind of impact by possibly bringing in Landon, then I say trust the Wink!
But with a 3-1 record and a winnable game vs. GB next Sunday in London, it seems like the team has a jump in their step not to mention the coaching staff and GM!
Let's see where this takes us.
Talk about timing: #Giants will welcome old friend Landon Collins for a visit today, source confirms, as @JFowlerESPN reported.
I’m told Collins’ visit was already scheduled before rash of injuries hit NYG yesterday. Intriguing fit in Wink’s defense as S/LB.
2. Where does he play? He's not a deep safety.
3. If you think putting him at LB is the answer, remember that multiple DCs have tried this with him and he was dead set against it.
It doesn't hurt to bring him in, give him a look, and talk with him. We know Wink would have a plan for him. So, we'll see where this ends up.
When he has been placed in that LB role he has been successful at it…in NY as well DC. Heck the other ex-Giant turned WTF player alos turned out to be a decent Oline when he switched positions. For as bad as Flowers was at LT, it baffled me that they didn’t put him in at Guard which he proved to be a decent starter.
As it relates to Landon, the bigger question is whether we can afford him.
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1. He is slow. He is not manning up on anyone.
2. Where does he play? He's not a deep safety.
3. If you think putting him at LB is the answer, remember that multiple DCs have tried this with him and he was dead set against it.
It doesn't hurt to bring him in, give him a look, and talk with him. We know Wink would have a plan for him. So, we'll see where this ends up.
When he has been placed in that LB role he has been successful at it…in NY as well DC. Heck the other ex-Giant turned WTF player alos turned out to be a decent Oline when he switched positions. For as bad as Flowers was at LT, it baffled me that they didn’t put him in at Guard which he proved to be a decent starter.
As it relates to Landon, the bigger question is whether we can afford him.
The Giants approached him about LB. He was dead set against it. Flowers was their baby that they risked their careers over. Instead of admitting a mistake, they just kept saying he was the answer.
Personally, I like this approach better. But the "names" stand out much greater this year, such as a Collins, then them bringing in no names of years past.
Maybe Jefferson is hurt? seems like he would step into that in the box role and Belton goes to the 2nd safety next to mckinney if Love is out..
They are doing what the previous coaches said they would do.....putting players in successful roles
Maybe Jefferson is hurt? seems like he would step into that in the box role and Belton goes to the 2nd safety next to mckinney if Love is out..
Jefferson didn't play. He was inactive.
I 100% agree with that. All I was getting at is if his heart isn't in it then it doesn't matter where he is.
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makes it sound like he is visiting with intent to sign over him coming in for a workout..
Maybe Jefferson is hurt? seems like he would step into that in the box role and Belton goes to the 2nd safety next to mckinney if Love is out..
Jefferson didn't play. He was inactive.
I know
Giants were in talks with Landon Collins before yesterday, and he'll visit today. They see a fit in the box, always Collins' strength.
But Landon has always fought notion of being a LB. Does that matter now?
I am saying maybe he got hurt in practice or something, i was surprised he wasnt signed..
seemed like the in the box safety in the dime was his role
You just can't help... yourself can you.
Dare we discuss bringing back a certain WR in a few weeks to help out that sorry unit?
He saw the mess in the NYG organization circa 2019? Wise man!
That said, the money he got from Washington was kind of nuts.
He is a good blitzer - most running backs cant handle him.
But I agree with your point, he is one-dimensional - which explains why he is available to sign.
big Nickel is Love, Belton and mckinney woth crowder and smith at LB
Nickel is love, Belton and mckinney with crowder and Holmes in slot
dime brings in a 4th safety usually, maybe thats where they see him?
Also, there’s no way they are viewing him as a safety. He’ll be in the box. Although this defense is position-less and 2nd and 3rd & long.
I haven’t watched Collins play in a couple years but I’m assuming he’s still a better athlete and player than any of the “LBs” they have at the moment.
The legend of Jabrill Peppers just won't go away around here, huh? The guy couldn't cover for shit and he was a lousy tackler. Collins at least wraps up.
Peppers is playing for no money, so does that say something too?
Details on the Jabrill Peppers deal:
* 1 year, $2M
* $300K signing bonus
* $225K workout bonus
* $1.05M base fully guaranteed
* $25k per-game roster bonus
* Up to $3M in playing-time incentives
With $1.35M total fully guaranteed
That would be my guess, as long as he doesn't have to cover anybody downfield... Maybe Wink can make use of Collins in the hybrid role.
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So Peppers is playing for Belichick and Collins is trying out for the Giants who have no money to spend. Does that mean anything about what each guy can do now?
Peppers is playing for no money, so does that say something too?
Details on the Jabrill Peppers deal:
* 1 year, $2M
* $300K signing bonus
* $225K workout bonus
* $1.05M base fully guaranteed
* $25k per-game roster bonus
* Up to $3M in playing-time incentives
With $1.35M total fully guaranteed
Peppers is getting minimal playing time for the Pats, limited snaps. More time on special teams. I watched most of the Pats/Packers late game yesterday. BB apparently doesn't trust Peppers either, I wasn't sorry to see him go.
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So Peppers is playing for Belichick and Collins is trying out for the Giants who have no money to spend. Does that mean anything about what each guy can do now?
Peppers is playing for no money, so does that say something too?
Details on the Jabrill Peppers deal:
* 1 year, $2M
* $300K signing bonus
* $225K workout bonus
* $1.05M base fully guaranteed
* $25k per-game roster bonus
* Up to $3M in playing-time incentives
With $1.35M total fully guaranteed
.
Peppers is getting minimal playing time for the Pats, limited snaps. More time on special teams. I watched most of the Pats/Packers late game yesterday. BB apparently doesn't trust Peppers either, I wasn't sorry to see him go.
He's less than a year removed from a ruptured ACL (with a high ankle sprain thrown in for good measure). That probably has more to do with his playing time at this point.