Hit or miss for me. Definitely has a huge leg, but doesnt seem to have the touch to pin them. Too many touchbacks. I like him a lot more than riley dixon though.
there was absolutely no attempt to angle that ball. I would rather a punter get 10 yards less and kick it where he is supposed to kick it than what happened there.
There were two touchbacks which gave Chicago room to operate when a better punter would have knocked it out of bounds inside the 10.
Yeah, he's really not good. Most punters these days have the leg to outkick coverage - which is really unhelpful.
give me a punter who can consistently put it out on the 10 from midfield instead.
Agree.
With our offense being so challenged, it is crucial for the Punter to get them pinned deep a few times per game.
Have to be able to give the Defense a chance to be aggressive and turn over a short field back to the offense.
Cannot stand to see our punter boot it into the end zone, and also for oour moron Kickoff returners take balls out of the end zone and get tackled on the 15 yard line. Just idiotic...
I haven't feared a punter like this in a while.
Yes that was a big kick yesterday but every time he punts I am not sure he knows where it's going.
We definitely need an upgrade.
Gillam is 29th worst in the league in touchback %, and 24th worst in getting it inside the 20. He's 4th in gross average, so as others have noted, the leg strength is clearly there, but the placement has left something to be desired.
But the situation at the end of the game was perfect for the Hammer: No need to worry about keeping it inside the opposite 20, just hit it as hard as you can.
You may not remember, but Dodge's gross average was rather good - 44.8 yards. His problem wasn't leg strength either, it was a complete lack of directional punting skills.
He probably belongs in a football version of Major League
One thing I noticed about his punts are that come off his foot and they wobble. It is not a conventional spiral and it rotates to the right. This makes it difficult to catch.
The returners look uncertain when they are catching the ball.
One thing I noticed about his punts are that come off his foot and they wobble. It is not a conventional spiral and it rotates to the right. This makes it difficult to catch.
The returners look uncertain when they are catching the ball.
THIS! We've already recovered 2 muffed punts this year that have contributed to victories. The left footed thing is a real weapon. Remember when Washington had Tress Way and we used to bring in Left footed punters to practice catching?
Remembering great GIANTS punters like Dave Jennings, Sean Landetta, and Jeff Feagles, and other very solid ones like Don Chandler, Tom Blanchard, and Mike Horan, who was actually better than most gave him credit for being, makes me yearn for somebody who really understands the punting game and can put the ball where it needs to be, not just boot it to the moon.
Right now the GIANTS punting game is a mess both ways.
The giants played in where Rodney Williams had a 90 yard punt. Wild. If he keeps making returners drop the ball I'm ok with him not being able to coffin corner it.
This needs to stop being the measuring stick, IMO.
Being better than the previous punter on a team that has been the worst in football over the past several years is not a sufficient validation, IMO. Being good enough that you can look at a player and say that he (or a reasonable facsimile) is the player you'd expect on the team you aspire to be, is how you get to be that team that you want to be.
I don't care if we're better than awful in a particular spot. I want to be genuinely good in those spots. That's how you become a contender. And I recognize that even the contending teams are going to have weaknesses, as will we if/when the Giants are contenders again.
Gillan, for example, is the sort of player that I look at and say, "he's better than the last guy, he's good enough for right now, but he'd be a weakness on a good team unless he improves in certain areas." By contrast, Andrew Thomas is someone I look at and say, "he's a stud in spite of how mediocre this team seems to be right now, and I'm confident that he'd genuinely be a stud on any team."
The fact that there even is a thread lauding Gillan's contribution thus far actually says more to me about where this team currently is than it does about Gillan. This isn't a genuinely good team yet. And if it was, Gillan (as is) would be one of the liabilities, not one of the assets.
I feel like his talent is worth trying to coach up
for a team in a rebuild. If you have a chance to develop an elite punter who can impact field position and win those hidden yards while you work on the rest of the roster I think you take it.
It is a bit of an advantage for us. The ball spins in the opposite direction and does cause some issues on the receiving end. I would bet the opponent has to reverse the spin on the jugs machine leading up to a game bs the giants.
The Chicago punt returner mishandled the punt when he attempted to catch it. No way to know for sure if it was due to the spin or if he just took his eyes off of it.
I remember this was a thing back when we had Joe prokop in camp in the early 90s. He did some jail time a few years ago too
Fourth best in punt average, but near the bottom in net avg. That's a guy who outkicks his coverage. Last year he was near the bottom in both.
He needs to figure out how to loft it, spin it and just lay it down inside the 10. I'll take a guy who aces directional punting and can loft a nice long arc over a guy who only booms it. When he refines those skills, then we will really have something. Potentially a deadly punter who can place kick and can also lay out a returner.
His wikipedia page says "During a pre-draft workout, he reportedly popped three regulation-size NFL footballs." Wow!
coach that actually is going to go for it on other side of the 50 the majority of the time. Not sure if it’s directional skills or our coverage team that sucks (and after watching multiple guys get penalized for running out of bounds I’m leaning latter) but that needs to be figure out.
That also was easily his best kick of the young season. But, overall, so far, I am not impressed. He has no ability for directional kicking, corner kicks, getting backspin/bounce to pin a team deep, etc. His deep kicks don't have enough air under them, so the returners can set up decent returns.
He certainly has potential, but he isn't a great one yet. He's a decent P who has a high ceiling and is an improvement over out inconsistent previous punter.
We didn’t have any holder issues last year and the LS and K are the same. Did Kreiter forget how to snap or was Dixon just better at adjusting to bad snaps so as not to change Gano’s rhythm?
Agreed but if they can teach him how to angle his punts...he can become a real weapon
He’s not Dodge but unless he changes it up, it’s only a matter of time until we give up a PR TD.
The SH needs to learn to lay up, back spin, or hit the corner sometimes. It was really nice that he could bang it when needed, though.
our last punter?
I didn't think so.
Taylor had the best punt pinning the Bears at the 4 yard line with that interception.
He was probably thinking “who is this guy Feagles?”
Yeah, he's really not good. Most punters these days have the leg to outkick coverage - which is really unhelpful.
give me a punter who can consistently put it out on the 10 from midfield instead.
Quote:
There were two touchbacks which gave Chicago room to operate when a better punter would have knocked it out of bounds inside the 10.
Yeah, he's really not good. Most punters these days have the leg to outkick coverage - which is really unhelpful.
give me a punter who can consistently put it out on the 10 from midfield instead.
Agree.
With our offense being so challenged, it is crucial for the Punter to get them pinned deep a few times per game.
Have to be able to give the Defense a chance to be aggressive and turn over a short field back to the offense.
Cannot stand to see our punter boot it into the end zone, and also for oour moron Kickoff returners take balls out of the end zone and get tackled on the 15 yard line. Just idiotic...
Yes that was a big kick yesterday but every time he punts I am not sure he knows where it's going.
We definitely need an upgrade.
The returners look uncertain when they are catching the ball.
The returners look uncertain when they are catching the ball.
THIS! We've already recovered 2 muffed punts this year that have contributed to victories. The left footed thing is a real weapon. Remember when Washington had Tress Way and we used to bring in Left footed punters to practice catching?
Right now the GIANTS punting game is a mess both ways.
our last punter?
I didn't think so.
This needs to stop being the measuring stick, IMO.
Being better than the previous punter on a team that has been the worst in football over the past several years is not a sufficient validation, IMO. Being good enough that you can look at a player and say that he (or a reasonable facsimile) is the player you'd expect on the team you aspire to be, is how you get to be that team that you want to be.
I don't care if we're better than awful in a particular spot. I want to be genuinely good in those spots. That's how you become a contender. And I recognize that even the contending teams are going to have weaknesses, as will we if/when the Giants are contenders again.
Gillan, for example, is the sort of player that I look at and say, "he's better than the last guy, he's good enough for right now, but he'd be a weakness on a good team unless he improves in certain areas." By contrast, Andrew Thomas is someone I look at and say, "he's a stud in spite of how mediocre this team seems to be right now, and I'm confident that he'd genuinely be a stud on any team."
The fact that there even is a thread lauding Gillan's contribution thus far actually says more to me about where this team currently is than it does about Gillan. This isn't a genuinely good team yet. And if it was, Gillan (as is) would be one of the liabilities, not one of the assets.
It is a bit of an advantage for us. The ball spins in the opposite direction and does cause some issues on the receiving end. I would bet the opponent has to reverse the spin on the jugs machine leading up to a game bs the giants.
The Chicago punt returner mishandled the punt when he attempted to catch it. No way to know for sure if it was due to the spin or if he just took his eyes off of it.
I remember this was a thing back when we had Joe prokop in camp in the early 90s. He did some jail time a few years ago too
He needs to figure out how to loft it, spin it and just lay it down inside the 10. I'll take a guy who aces directional punting and can loft a nice long arc over a guy who only booms it. When he refines those skills, then we will really have something. Potentially a deadly punter who can place kick and can also lay out a returner.
His wikipedia page says "During a pre-draft workout, he reportedly popped three regulation-size NFL footballs." Wow!
Quote:
There were two touchbacks which gave Chicago room to opperate when a better punter would have knocked it out of bounds inside the 10.
Agreed but if they can teach him how to angle his punts...he can become a real weapon
Definitely miss a Jeff Feagles coffin corner kicks. Good punters are tuff to find.
He certainly has potential, but he isn't a great one yet. He's a decent P who has a high ceiling and is an improvement over out inconsistent previous punter.