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“I can’t spare this man. He fights.”

NYGmen58 : 10/3/2022 10:56 am
This famous quote sums up how I feel about Daniel Jones. He may not be the flashiest, but man is he tough and determined to do what is required or him to execute. Imagine if he had some consistency and talent out of the wide receiver position?!

His ability to stay healthy is still a very big concern, but as far as I’m concerned, he is our guy.
Look, I get it  
NBGblue : 10/3/2022 11:15 am : link
He's tough, he's likeable, he runs well. But the QB position is the most important on the team. To win Championships (which is the point of the games after all) you need a very talented player at that position with the ability to lead and elevate the play of his teammates. I don't see Jones as that guy. What's his upside as a comparison to other NFL quarterbacks? Maybe Kirk Cousins or Teddy Bridgewater? You don't win big with those kind of guys. NYG very likely are moving on from him next year, and they should.
You can be all those things  
allstarjim : 10/3/2022 11:17 am : link
And not good enough to win a playoff game.

Still waiting to see him win processing from the pocket, make a good decision and throw on time going through his reads.

And yeah, I realize you can't evaluate that with the current group of receivers.

Sills needs to be released. Golladay too but he's too expensive. Richie James is the only NFL-quality receiver playing right now.
I'm fairly pro-DJ, but while toughness and determination  
Mad Mike : 10/3/2022 11:20 am : link
are valuable traits, if that's your lead comment on a QB, you've got some problems.
I'm convinced that Jones will win playoff games for someone  
Hammer : 10/3/2022 11:22 am : link
Whomever that team might be.
Dave Brown was really tough  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 11:30 am : link
Just sayin'
RE: I'm convinced that Jones will win playoff games for someone  
allstarjim : 10/3/2022 11:31 am : link
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Whomever that team might be.


He might win a playoff game or two with a TE like the 2000 Ravens.
At this point....I can live with Daniel Jones if he comes cheap.  
George from PA : 10/3/2022 11:36 am : link
We can only win with him....if we can afford a good team around him.

He is not a difference maker.
Don't forget  
Carson53 : 10/3/2022 11:45 am : link
about the durability factor as well when talking about Jones.
I read somewhere that this is now his third time in four years, that he has had an ankle issue.
He also missed the last six games last year because of his neck issue.
That is also going to factor into their decision making process as well. The more I see Jones, the more I see a ceiling of Derek Carr, with more athleticism.
if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Producer : 10/3/2022 11:47 am : link
i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.
RE: At this point....I can live with Daniel Jones if he comes cheap.  
Carson53 : 10/3/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15843876 George from PA said:
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We can only win with him....if we can afford a good team around him.

He is not a difference maker.
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They are going to NEED to draft a couple receivers, regardless
of who the QB is around here for the next few years.
His play this year has been so run-heavy  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 11:50 am : link
and, given his frequent injuries, I can't imagine he'll ever play a full season this way without missing time.
RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Hammer : 10/3/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15843899 Producer said:
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.


I disagree.

They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.
RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
PatersonPlank : 10/3/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15843899 Producer said:
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.


They are game planning around having horrible WRs, two good runners in Barkley and Jones, and an OL that run blocks a lot better than pass blocks.
RE: RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Producer : 10/3/2022 11:53 am : link
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.



I disagree.

They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.


We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.
No Sane Giants fan can question DJ  
Essex : 10/3/2022 11:55 am : link
as a player willing to give up everything to be successful. Whether that is time in the film-room, practicing long hours, or giving up his body--he does everything you can ask in the effort and toughness category. There is a difference though between having all the tangible traits you want in a leader and lacking some of the playing traits needed for success at the most important position. He is one of the easiest guys to root for but he still is not the answer because he does not read the field well and he does not have am A+ arm (he has a good arm but not an A+ one). It is hard to make it work when you don't have either of those traits.

I remember when Federer retired he said that he was "gifted" with racket head speed--he had the intangibles but he also had the racket head speed and other gifts like quickness to go in tandem with his intangible drive to win and practice etc.

Unfortunately, to be a great QB, you need both. Daniel has the desire part down it is the other part that is holding him back and there might not be much he can do about it. ITs sad because he wants it so bad, but reality is reality.
RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Ron Johnson : 10/3/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15843899 Producer said:
[quote] i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency. [/quote.]

this is just incorrect. They have problems in the passing game. Jones "inability to pass with consistency" has not been one of them.
If Jones were QBing Alabama he would be the first overall pick  
gtt350 : 10/3/2022 12:04 pm : link
and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking
They game planned against a team that was 20th in run defense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/3/2022 12:06 pm : link
and they must've seen how vulnerable they were to PA fakes and rollouts because they exploited it consistently.
RE: If Jones were QBing Alabama he would be the first overall pick  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15843940 gtt350 said:
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and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking


sure, sure he would
If you've watched the past 4 games and three seasons  
lax counsel : 10/3/2022 12:07 pm : link
and feel Jones is the definite guy for this team, I don't know what to say other than your expectations are so much lower for Giants players than the rest of the league. He's a tough player and likeable guy, but that's where it ends. The Giants are trotting out a turn of the century offense, in large part because Daboll is putting Jones in a bubble and not allowing him to be a mistake machine. He still can't process the field or make plays through the air, which is what elite or top qbs do. It's the same qb we've seen for the past three seasons, with a competent head coach and o coordinator.

Its amazing the Giants are 3-1, its encouraging because the Giants finally seem to have their coaching staff. The offense is still pedestrian, in large part because the qb is not productive outside of designed runs.

They do not have their QB yet, and I am excited to see what Daboll can do with an talented qb who can make plays through the air.
If you think Bryce Young is the answer you're wrong  
gtt350 : 10/3/2022 12:07 pm : link
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RE: If Jones were QBing Alabama he would be the first overall pick  
Ron Johnson : 10/3/2022 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15843940 gtt350 said:
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and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking


100%
"They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass  
ColHowPepper : 10/3/2022 12:17 pm : link
with consistency."

This poster is a parody of himself. As others above have observed, this WR corps is a shambles, there is not an NFL worthy starter among them. So what does Kafka do, he game plans a passing game to get the ball to players who can catch, a rookie, 4th round TE and a 27 year old UDFA. He game plans around an OL that cannot as yet pass protect with any consistency. That's a constant.

No one is saying DJ should have been selected 6th overall, that's on Gettleman; and, sure, he has shortcomings as a passer and maybe for the first time in his career has a coaching staff trying and able to work that. But to ignore all this by this point just shows you are mired in a stale and not particularly observant mindset. It's boring as hell.
RE: RE: If Jones were QBing Alabama he would be the first overall pick  
Producer : 10/3/2022 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15843947 Greg from LI said:
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and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking



sure, sure he would


I should hope so. He's a 4 year pro. The problem is his ceiling is limited and there are others in the draft with higher ceilings.
It's not enough to say Jones is not good enough  
kelly : 10/3/2022 12:23 pm : link
Tired of hearing he is not good enough.

Tell me if not Jones who would you have as our QB in 2023 that is clearly better?

People make it sound like great quarterbacks grow on trees.

Great quarterbacks are tough to get. Alot of it is luck.

Haskins, leaf, Quinn, Russell, Rosen, Darnau, Mayfield, Goff, Wentz, to name a few that were drafted high and never amounted to much.

People bitch about Jones as though there are all these great options.

Jones is not great. But who is the better option. Because right now, as it stands, I don't see one, especially given we have no receivers and an O line that cannot pass block.

So to those who constantly bitch about Jones, tell me who specifically do you want as QB for 2023 that will be clearly better than Jones.

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Carson53 : 10/3/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15843965 ColHowPepper said:
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with consistency."

This poster is a parody of himself. As others above have observed, this WR corps is a shambles, there is not an NFL worthy starter among them. So what does Kafka do, he game plans a passing game to get the ball to players who can catch, a rookie, 4th round TE and a 27 year old UDFA. He game plans around an OL that cannot as yet pass protect with any consistency. That's a constant.

No one is saying DJ should have been selected 6th overall, that's on Gettleman; and, sure, he has shortcomings as a passer and maybe for the first time in his career has a coaching staff trying and able to work that. But to ignore all this by this point just shows you are mired in a stale and not particularly observant mindset. It's boring as hell.
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Kudos to calling out the poster, it is boorish.
RE: RE: RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Capt. Don : 10/3/2022 12:25 pm : link
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.



I disagree.

They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.



We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.


It is a bit disingenuous to say they are game planning around his inability to throw the ball. They are game planning around a below average passing game which in no small part has to do with the worst receiving room in the NFL and one consistent pass protector. DJ has his deficiencies but look at what at what Patrick Mahomes looked like in the SB without an offensive line. Look at what Brady did without his top targets against Dallas this year.

DJ is not in their class but to say they are game planning solely around Jones's inability is shortsighted at best.
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Essex : 10/3/2022 12:32 pm : link
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.



I disagree.

They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.



We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.



It is a bit disingenuous to say they are game planning around his inability to throw the ball. They are game planning around a below average passing game which in no small part has to do with the worst receiving room in the NFL and one consistent pass protector. DJ has his deficiencies but look at what at what Patrick Mahomes looked like in the SB without an offensive line. Look at what Brady did without his top targets against Dallas this year.

DJ is not in their class but to say they are game planning solely around Jones's inability is shortsighted at best.

I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.
Two steps back  
Paul326 : 10/3/2022 12:51 pm : link
There's some very opinionated posts on how DJ has to be replaced at any cost by just about any other QB that's out there. Schoen & Daboll are going to evaluate all their options at the end of the season. The Draft: will they be in position to select a top notch QB, probably not, so how much draft capital will it take to move up to get that ability. This team has lots of holes to fill. I've read articles that this QB class isn't what it was cracked up to be. Also QB's have a high failure rate so for every 1 Mahomes how many Josh Rosens are on the outside looking in. They better be absolutely sure about the guy they pick or else they'll be back looking for another QB or worse out of a job Then there's Free Agency while they won't know exactly who will be available how much of an upgrade will they be & at what cost? Matthew Stafford was a losing QB in Detroit. He gets traded to LA where he's surrounded by talent and he wins the Super Bowl. Maybe they use the draft and their improved cap space to improve the talent level at WR, ILB, IOL, DB & sign DJ to a short term prove it deal and see what happens then. Nothing is written in stone about DJ opinions change based on circumstances.
RE: It's not enough to say Jones is not good enough  
Greg from LI : 10/3/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15843981 kelly said:
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Tired of hearing he is not good enough.

Tell me if not Jones who would you have as our QB in 2023 that is clearly better?

People make it sound like great quarterbacks grow on trees.

Great quarterbacks are tough to get. Alot of it is luck.

Haskins, leaf, Quinn, Russell, Rosen, Darnau, Mayfield, Goff, Wentz, to name a few that were drafted high and never amounted to much.

People bitch about Jones as though there are all these great options.

Jones is not great. But who is the better option. Because right now, as it stands, I don't see one, especially given we have no receivers and an O line that cannot pass block.

So to those who constantly bitch about Jones, tell me who specifically do you want as QB for 2023 that will be clearly better than Jones.


So your point is that it's impossible to improve on an average-at-best quarterback? That's what you're going with?
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ryanmkeane : 10/3/2022 12:55 pm : link
I like what I've seen from Jones this year and he seems to be picking up the new scheme pretty well with basically nothing at WR, but he is already hurt again. It used to be the turnovers that was his issue, now it is the fact that he can't ever play a full season.
like him but..  
nyfootballfan : 10/3/2022 12:59 pm : link
he just doesnt have the "kevorka".
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Capt. Don : 10/3/2022 1:10 pm : link


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I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.


This is a strawman argument. I didnt say we wouldnt get more out of Rodgers or Mahomes - in fact I said the opposite when I said he is "not in their class."

My point is even the best QBs of this generation look bad behind a porous OL and receivers that cant separate.

Look at Mahomes when he was under pressure in the SB against the Bucs. It was a terrible passing attack because as soon as he got the ball, he was under pressure. Now imagine how it wouldve looked if he didnt have Kelce but Daniel Bellinger and then Sills instead of Tyreek Hill.

Producer was saying that the coaching staff is game planning around DJs deficiencies and I think they are game planning around the deficiencies of the passing attack as a whole, which is in HUGE part due to the fact that we have the worst WRs in football and 4 out of 5 OLs that are inconsistent at best.

DJ is NOT, say again, NOT in their class but even those types of QBs look bad without proper protection and guys that separate.
What I learned on BBI today…  
DefenseWins : 10/3/2022 1:29 pm : link
When We think our coaches are game planning to exploit the opponents’ weaknesses, they are really game planning for our weaknesses. Not just an overall team related weakness, but specifically one player.

So we just got lucky that the bears could not stop the run I guess. We should probably take all of the pass plays out of the playbook from this point forward … right?

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
Essex : 10/3/2022 1:41 pm : link
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I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.



This is a strawman argument. I didnt say we wouldnt get more out of Rodgers or Mahomes - in fact I said the opposite when I said he is "not in their class."

My point is even the best QBs of this generation look bad behind a porous OL and receivers that cant separate.

Look at Mahomes when he was under pressure in the SB against the Bucs. It was a terrible passing attack because as soon as he got the ball, he was under pressure. Now imagine how it wouldve looked if he didnt have Kelce but Daniel Bellinger and then Sills instead of Tyreek Hill.

Producer was saying that the coaching staff is game planning around DJs deficiencies and I think they are game planning around the deficiencies of the passing attack as a whole, which is in HUGE part due to the fact that we have the worst WRs in football and 4 out of 5 OLs that are inconsistent at best.

DJ is NOT, say again, NOT in their class but even those types of QBs look bad without proper protection and guys that separate.

That is the point though, you are looking for guys like Rodgers and Mahommes and Allen and Herbert and Burrow who can get yards when things are not going well. Will they look otherwordly when they dont' have separation or protection--of course not. But the point is that lack of separation only gets you so far as an excuse. Our passing game is anemic and that does not happen with franchise QBs. Now, again, we are going back to the standard well Daniel Jones is a QB you can win with with a good offensive line, good wrs, etc. Sort of like the situation Jalen Hurts has in Philly. Well, yeah, but I bet if Hurts went down for the Year Minshew would do just fine there. Jones is a QB you can win with if everything is right. And by win, I don't mean beat the Bears and the Panther but things like the NFC East or even the NFC. Once you start paying Jones, then you have less money to put those people around him, which then defeats the whole upside of Jones. There are about 6-10 QBs worth a second contract in this league; I feel very comfortable in saying Jones, who I like a lot as a person and leader, is not that QB.

It is not a strawman argument. On the contrary, it is the central question regarding Jones and his future.
Producer  
Giant John : 10/3/2022 1:52 pm : link
Pass first offense? Really? Have you watched the protection? Do you watch our receivers? Once again the worst receivers in the NFL. Give DJ
the same tools as raw rop guys have and Jones will win us playoff games.
RE: Producer  
lax counsel : 10/3/2022 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15844259 Giant John said:
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Pass first offense? Really? Have you watched the protection? Do you watch our receivers? Once again the worst receivers in the NFL. Give DJ
the same tools as raw rop guys have and Jones will win us playoff games.


What have you seen from Jones suggesting he can win playoff games? What consistent concrete play has created this optimism?
RE: RE: RE: If Jones were QBing Alabama he would be the first overall pick  
joe48 : 10/3/2022 3:45 pm : link
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and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking



sure, sure he would



I should hope so. He's a 4 year pro. The problem is his ceiling is limited and there are others in the draft with higher ceilings.


Name them.
RE: It's not enough to say Jones is not good enough  
Ron Johnson : 10/3/2022 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15843981 kelly said:
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Tired of hearing he is not good enough.

Tell me if not Jones who would you have as our QB in 2023 that is clearly better?

People make it sound like great quarterbacks grow on trees.

Great quarterbacks are tough to get. Alot of it is luck.

Haskins, leaf, Quinn, Russell, Rosen, Darnau, Mayfield, Goff, Wentz, to name a few that were drafted high and never amounted to much.

People bitch about Jones as though there are all these great options.

Jones is not great. But who is the better option. Because right now, as it stands, I don't see one, especially given we have no receivers and an O line that cannot pass block.

So to those who constantly bitch about Jones, tell me who specifically do you want as QB for 2023 that will be clearly better than Jones.


Before Saturday you'd have heard Levis .... that was before he shit himself v ole Miss ..... the NeverDJC is currently looking for a new superhero
Some of you guys would really get off on Ivy League football  
Jerry in_DC : 10/3/2022 4:50 pm : link
They have loads of professional looking white guys who try hard. All over the field, too - not just QB!
CJ Stroud  
allstarjim : 10/4/2022 12:28 am : link
But he probably won't last beyond #2 overall.
Seriously, so many people crying because Jones  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/4/2022 12:45 am : link
is getting a few compliments. Go back to making posts about how we should have traded for Russell Wilson.
Some of this fan base reminds me of Bears fans and Trubisky  
GMen72 : 10/4/2022 1:08 am : link
I have 2 close friends who are Bears fans...neither know each other. Both spent the off-season telling me how Trubisky never had an OLine or weapons in Chicago and would tear it up in Pittsburgh. I'll be having a nice steak dinner on both of them.

I've never seen a QB where passing yards, TDs, and points don't matter...none of that is the QBs fault.
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Capt. Don : 10/4/2022 7:57 am : link
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I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.



This is a strawman argument. I didnt say we wouldnt get more out of Rodgers or Mahomes - in fact I said the opposite when I said he is "not in their class."

My point is even the best QBs of this generation look bad behind a porous OL and receivers that cant separate.

Look at Mahomes when he was under pressure in the SB against the Bucs. It was a terrible passing attack because as soon as he got the ball, he was under pressure. Now imagine how it wouldve looked if he didnt have Kelce but Daniel Bellinger and then Sills instead of Tyreek Hill.

Producer was saying that the coaching staff is game planning around DJs deficiencies and I think they are game planning around the deficiencies of the passing attack as a whole, which is in HUGE part due to the fact that we have the worst WRs in football and 4 out of 5 OLs that are inconsistent at best.

DJ is NOT, say again, NOT in their class but even those types of QBs look bad without proper protection and guys that separate.


That is the point though, you are looking for guys like Rodgers and Mahommes and Allen and Herbert and Burrow who can get yards when things are not going well. Will they look otherwordly when they dont' have separation or protection--of course not. But the point is that lack of separation only gets you so far as an excuse. Our passing game is anemic and that does not happen with franchise QBs. Now, again, we are going back to the standard well Daniel Jones is a QB you can win with with a good offensive line, good wrs, etc. Sort of like the situation Jalen Hurts has in Philly. Well, yeah, but I bet if Hurts went down for the Year Minshew would do just fine there. Jones is a QB you can win with if everything is right. And by win, I don't mean beat the Bears and the Panther but things like the NFC East or even the NFC. Once you start paying Jones, then you have less money to put those people around him, which then defeats the whole upside of Jones. There are about 6-10 QBs worth a second contract in this league; I feel very comfortable in saying Jones, who I like a lot as a person and leader, is not that QB.

It is not a strawman argument. On the contrary, it is the central question regarding Jones and his future.


#1 my strawman argument comment was not directed at you; I thought that was obvious.

#2 That is the point! When franchise QBs dont have an OL nor WR the passing game looks anemic with them too. Its like putting water in the gas tank of a Lamborghini. Now, DJ is probably closer to a Camry but it wouldnt matter if he were a Lambo.

Look how awful the passing game was when Mahomes had a leaky OL - now imagine in addition to a terrible OL he also was throwing to Bellinger and Sills instead of Kelce and Tyreek Hill. It would be, in a word...anemic.

RE: RE: RE: if you came away from that game assured Jones is a franchise QB  
jpkmets : 10/4/2022 8:08 am : link
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.



I disagree.

They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.



We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.


Both views can be right. They don’t trust Jones to run a pass-first attack and they really don’t trust him to run one with the slowest WR corps around given the tight windows that creates.
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