This famous quote sums up how I feel about Daniel Jones. He may not be the flashiest, but man is he tough and determined to do what is required or him to execute. Imagine if he had some consistency and talent out of the wide receiver position?!
His ability to stay healthy is still a very big concern, but as far as I’m concerned, he is our guy.
Still waiting to see him win processing from the pocket, make a good decision and throw on time going through his reads.
And yeah, I realize you can't evaluate that with the current group of receivers.
Sills needs to be released. Golladay too but he's too expensive. Richie James is the only NFL-quality receiver playing right now.
He might win a playoff game or two with a TE like the 2000 Ravens.
He is not a difference maker.
I read somewhere that this is now his third time in four years, that he has had an ankle issue.
He also missed the last six games last year because of his neck issue.
That is also going to factor into their decision making process as well. The more I see Jones, the more I see a ceiling of Derek Carr, with more athleticism.
He is not a difference maker.
They are going to NEED to draft a couple receivers, regardless
of who the QB is around here for the next few years.
I disagree.
They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.
They are game planning around having horrible WRs, two good runners in Barkley and Jones, and an OL that run blocks a lot better than pass blocks.
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.
I disagree.
They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.
We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.
I remember when Federer retired he said that he was "gifted" with racket head speed--he had the intangibles but he also had the racket head speed and other gifts like quickness to go in tandem with his intangible drive to win and practice etc.
Unfortunately, to be a great QB, you need both. Daniel has the desire part down it is the other part that is holding him back and there might not be much he can do about it. ITs sad because he wants it so bad, but reality is reality.
[quote] i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency. [/quote.]
this is just incorrect. They have problems in the passing game. Jones "inability to pass with consistency" has not been one of them.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking
sure, sure he would
Its amazing the Giants are 3-1, its encouraging because the Giants finally seem to have their coaching staff. The offense is still pedestrian, in large part because the qb is not productive outside of designed runs.
They do not have their QB yet, and I am excited to see what Daboll can do with an talented qb who can make plays through the air.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking
100%
This poster is a parody of himself. As others above have observed, this WR corps is a shambles, there is not an NFL worthy starter among them. So what does Kafka do, he game plans a passing game to get the ball to players who can catch, a rookie, 4th round TE and a 27 year old UDFA. He game plans around an OL that cannot as yet pass protect with any consistency. That's a constant.
No one is saying DJ should have been selected 6th overall, that's on Gettleman; and, sure, he has shortcomings as a passer and maybe for the first time in his career has a coaching staff trying and able to work that. But to ignore all this by this point just shows you are mired in a stale and not particularly observant mindset. It's boring as hell.
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and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking
sure, sure he would
I should hope so. He's a 4 year pro. The problem is his ceiling is limited and there are others in the draft with higher ceilings.
Tell me if not Jones who would you have as our QB in 2023 that is clearly better?
People make it sound like great quarterbacks grow on trees.
Great quarterbacks are tough to get. Alot of it is luck.
Haskins, leaf, Quinn, Russell, Rosen, Darnau, Mayfield, Goff, Wentz, to name a few that were drafted high and never amounted to much.
People bitch about Jones as though there are all these great options.
Jones is not great. But who is the better option. Because right now, as it stands, I don't see one, especially given we have no receivers and an O line that cannot pass block.
So to those who constantly bitch about Jones, tell me who specifically do you want as QB for 2023 that will be clearly better than Jones.
This poster is a parody of himself. As others above have observed, this WR corps is a shambles, there is not an NFL worthy starter among them. So what does Kafka do, he game plans a passing game to get the ball to players who can catch, a rookie, 4th round TE and a 27 year old UDFA. He game plans around an OL that cannot as yet pass protect with any consistency. That's a constant.
No one is saying DJ should have been selected 6th overall, that's on Gettleman; and, sure, he has shortcomings as a passer and maybe for the first time in his career has a coaching staff trying and able to work that. But to ignore all this by this point just shows you are mired in a stale and not particularly observant mindset. It's boring as hell.
Kudos to calling out the poster, it is boorish.
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.
I disagree.
They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.
We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.
It is a bit disingenuous to say they are game planning around his inability to throw the ball. They are game planning around a below average passing game which in no small part has to do with the worst receiving room in the NFL and one consistent pass protector. DJ has his deficiencies but look at what at what Patrick Mahomes looked like in the SB without an offensive line. Look at what Brady did without his top targets against Dallas this year.
DJ is not in their class but to say they are game planning solely around Jones's inability is shortsighted at best.
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In comment 15843899 Producer said:
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.
I disagree.
They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.
We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.
It is a bit disingenuous to say they are game planning around his inability to throw the ball. They are game planning around a below average passing game which in no small part has to do with the worst receiving room in the NFL and one consistent pass protector. DJ has his deficiencies but look at what at what Patrick Mahomes looked like in the SB without an offensive line. Look at what Brady did without his top targets against Dallas this year.
DJ is not in their class but to say they are game planning solely around Jones's inability is shortsighted at best.
I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.
Tell me if not Jones who would you have as our QB in 2023 that is clearly better?
People make it sound like great quarterbacks grow on trees.
Great quarterbacks are tough to get. Alot of it is luck.
Haskins, leaf, Quinn, Russell, Rosen, Darnau, Mayfield, Goff, Wentz, to name a few that were drafted high and never amounted to much.
People bitch about Jones as though there are all these great options.
Jones is not great. But who is the better option. Because right now, as it stands, I don't see one, especially given we have no receivers and an O line that cannot pass block.
So to those who constantly bitch about Jones, tell me who specifically do you want as QB for 2023 that will be clearly better than Jones.
So your point is that it's impossible to improve on an average-at-best quarterback? That's what you're going with?
This is a strawman argument. I didnt say we wouldnt get more out of Rodgers or Mahomes - in fact I said the opposite when I said he is "not in their class."
My point is even the best QBs of this generation look bad behind a porous OL and receivers that cant separate.
Look at Mahomes when he was under pressure in the SB against the Bucs. It was a terrible passing attack because as soon as he got the ball, he was under pressure. Now imagine how it wouldve looked if he didnt have Kelce but Daniel Bellinger and then Sills instead of Tyreek Hill.
Producer was saying that the coaching staff is game planning around DJs deficiencies and I think they are game planning around the deficiencies of the passing attack as a whole, which is in HUGE part due to the fact that we have the worst WRs in football and 4 out of 5 OLs that are inconsistent at best.
DJ is NOT, say again, NOT in their class but even those types of QBs look bad without proper protection and guys that separate.
So we just got lucky that the bears could not stop the run I guess. We should probably take all of the pass plays out of the playbook from this point forward … right?
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I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.
This is a strawman argument. I didnt say we wouldnt get more out of Rodgers or Mahomes - in fact I said the opposite when I said he is "not in their class."
My point is even the best QBs of this generation look bad behind a porous OL and receivers that cant separate.
Look at Mahomes when he was under pressure in the SB against the Bucs. It was a terrible passing attack because as soon as he got the ball, he was under pressure. Now imagine how it wouldve looked if he didnt have Kelce but Daniel Bellinger and then Sills instead of Tyreek Hill.
Producer was saying that the coaching staff is game planning around DJs deficiencies and I think they are game planning around the deficiencies of the passing attack as a whole, which is in HUGE part due to the fact that we have the worst WRs in football and 4 out of 5 OLs that are inconsistent at best.
DJ is NOT, say again, NOT in their class but even those types of QBs look bad without proper protection and guys that separate.
That is the point though, you are looking for guys like Rodgers and Mahommes and Allen and Herbert and Burrow who can get yards when things are not going well. Will they look otherwordly when they dont' have separation or protection--of course not. But the point is that lack of separation only gets you so far as an excuse. Our passing game is anemic and that does not happen with franchise QBs. Now, again, we are going back to the standard well Daniel Jones is a QB you can win with with a good offensive line, good wrs, etc. Sort of like the situation Jalen Hurts has in Philly. Well, yeah, but I bet if Hurts went down for the Year Minshew would do just fine there. Jones is a QB you can win with if everything is right. And by win, I don't mean beat the Bears and the Panther but things like the NFC East or even the NFC. Once you start paying Jones, then you have less money to put those people around him, which then defeats the whole upside of Jones. There are about 6-10 QBs worth a second contract in this league; I feel very comfortable in saying Jones, who I like a lot as a person and leader, is not that QB.
It is not a strawman argument. On the contrary, it is the central question regarding Jones and his future.
the same tools as raw rop guys have and Jones will win us playoff games.
the same tools as raw rop guys have and Jones will win us playoff games.
What have you seen from Jones suggesting he can win playoff games? What consistent concrete play has created this optimism?
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and many here would be screaming to get him, so digest that.
I have no problem with Jones, he needs weapons and blocking
sure, sure he would
I should hope so. He's a 4 year pro. The problem is his ceiling is limited and there are others in the draft with higher ceilings.
Name them.
Tell me if not Jones who would you have as our QB in 2023 that is clearly better?
People make it sound like great quarterbacks grow on trees.
Great quarterbacks are tough to get. Alot of it is luck.
Haskins, leaf, Quinn, Russell, Rosen, Darnau, Mayfield, Goff, Wentz, to name a few that were drafted high and never amounted to much.
People bitch about Jones as though there are all these great options.
Jones is not great. But who is the better option. Because right now, as it stands, I don't see one, especially given we have no receivers and an O line that cannot pass block.
So to those who constantly bitch about Jones, tell me who specifically do you want as QB for 2023 that will be clearly better than Jones.
Before Saturday you'd have heard Levis .... that was before he shit himself v ole Miss ..... the NeverDJC is currently looking for a new superhero
I've never seen a QB where passing yards, TDs, and points don't matter...none of that is the QBs fault.
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I am not Producer and I have been fair as hell to Daniel Jones, but if you put Mahommes or Rodgers on this team our WRs would get more receptions. To think otherwise is ridiculous. I mean Aaron Rodgers wont be fantastic without an OL or separation, but he will be able to have a functionable passing game. We have to be honest about it. One thing I have liked about DJ is that he seems to have picked up a bit more zip on his fastball. He had a ball to Hudson yesterday where he zipped it into a tight window and Hudson dropped it, last week against the cowboys he had several of those passes.
This is a strawman argument. I didnt say we wouldnt get more out of Rodgers or Mahomes - in fact I said the opposite when I said he is "not in their class."
My point is even the best QBs of this generation look bad behind a porous OL and receivers that cant separate.
Look at Mahomes when he was under pressure in the SB against the Bucs. It was a terrible passing attack because as soon as he got the ball, he was under pressure. Now imagine how it wouldve looked if he didnt have Kelce but Daniel Bellinger and then Sills instead of Tyreek Hill.
Producer was saying that the coaching staff is game planning around DJs deficiencies and I think they are game planning around the deficiencies of the passing attack as a whole, which is in HUGE part due to the fact that we have the worst WRs in football and 4 out of 5 OLs that are inconsistent at best.
DJ is NOT, say again, NOT in their class but even those types of QBs look bad without proper protection and guys that separate.
That is the point though, you are looking for guys like Rodgers and Mahommes and Allen and Herbert and Burrow who can get yards when things are not going well. Will they look otherwordly when they dont' have separation or protection--of course not. But the point is that lack of separation only gets you so far as an excuse. Our passing game is anemic and that does not happen with franchise QBs. Now, again, we are going back to the standard well Daniel Jones is a QB you can win with with a good offensive line, good wrs, etc. Sort of like the situation Jalen Hurts has in Philly. Well, yeah, but I bet if Hurts went down for the Year Minshew would do just fine there. Jones is a QB you can win with if everything is right. And by win, I don't mean beat the Bears and the Panther but things like the NFC East or even the NFC. Once you start paying Jones, then you have less money to put those people around him, which then defeats the whole upside of Jones. There are about 6-10 QBs worth a second contract in this league; I feel very comfortable in saying Jones, who I like a lot as a person and leader, is not that QB.
It is not a strawman argument. On the contrary, it is the central question regarding Jones and his future.
#1 my strawman argument comment was not directed at you; I thought that was obvious.
#2 That is the point! When franchise QBs dont have an OL nor WR the passing game looks anemic with them too. Its like putting water in the gas tank of a Lamborghini. Now, DJ is probably closer to a Camry but it wouldnt matter if he were a Lambo.
Look how awful the passing game was when Mahomes had a leaky OL - now imagine in addition to a terrible OL he also was throwing to Bellinger and Sills instead of Kelce and Tyreek Hill. It would be, in a word...anemic.
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i'm shaking my head. They are literally game-planning around his inability to pass with consistency.
I disagree.
They are game planning around wide receivers that can’t gain separation.
We agree to disagree. They don't trust Jones to run a pass-first attack. He hasn't shown anything this year that he can do it. He played a gutsy game yesterday, for sure.
Both views can be right. They don’t trust Jones to run a pass-first attack and they really don’t trust him to run one with the slowest WR corps around given the tight windows that creates.