a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
Scouting reports publicly available projected Robinson as a 3rd-5th round pick, with usefulness only as a slot WR.
1) The Giants were clearly TEAM building this year and felt that Robinson fit more of a need for what they are doing or would like to do now.
2) I was pretty high on Pickens BUT there were some red flags about injuries, attitude etc. It was noted in many reviews about him.
Not everything is a 1 for 1 in terms of how players are selected, where and why. AS lot of other teams passed on Pickens too.
The biggest issues we have with our current group is the fact that guys were being counted on KG, KT and WDR that either can't do it anymore or just cannot stay healthy to prove they can play. I am hopeful WDR is different here as his injury was just bad luck (knee got crumpled on that hit) but KG is done and KT is close to a never will be...
a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
I have read this post three times and still have no idea what it means.
He's better suited to the slot, but the coaches have said he's not a slot receiver. Of course they could be incompetent and/or lying.
Everyone thought Wink would start Moreau when Robinson went out. They started Flott. And he came out in that game because he was cramping up. Could he be a bad player? Sure, but the coaches went with the rookie.
Ezeudu getting starting snaps at LG and LT in camp. Early in camp and it continued. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted him starting immediately until he struggled in pass pro (just like Neal... hint, they are both rookies).
You;'d be better off waiting a while before making definitive judgments.
Some of you people never seem to get it about "draft boards"
The only one that teams care about is THEIRS... it doesnt matter what anyone else says or thinks. Teams evaluate players for THEIR systems and how they intend to use them.
for your one and only argument is pretty absurd. I might take it into consideration regarding 1st round talent but beyond that you get a ton of variability. And most draft boards didn't even take our system into account (probably none of them) so what good are they?
Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
AGAIN, PICKENS MAY HAVE BEEN OFF THEIR BOARD BECAUSE OF RED FLAGS...
Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
I wanted Pierce myself as somebody who could backup then replace Golladay.
Also agree that Robinson felt like a redundancy with Toney (who felt like one for Shepard).
a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
Scouting reports publicly available projected Robinson as a 3rd-5th round pick, with usefulness only as a slot WR.
In the second round, an absolute reach.
Sy excluded, scouting reports "publicly available" = draft magazines and publications = written by people who either couldn't cut it or never made it as NFL scouts. Basing your opinion on who is and is not a reach on draft magazines and talking heads is asinine. The opinions of NFL talent evaluators often differ greatly from those sources. Obviously, our talent evaluators disagreed with the "consensus" of people not employed in the NFL. Time will tell if they were correct or not.
That said, Sy certainly seems to deserve a shot at a real, big-time NFL job.
And yet Shepard has likely played his last game as a Giant. And there is a good chance Toney will be gone shortly too.
True.
On the other hand, it doesn't seem like either regime has really set up a good contingency plan for Golladay, who should have been an injury concern right out of the gate (he was coming off a hip injury suffered in 2020). Unless Sills and Collin Johnson were supposed to be contingencies.
didn't really think much of it at the time, but Collin Johnson has been a pretty big loss considering Toney and Golladay are basically negatives at this point.
Robinson's knee injury must have been a pretty bad sprain. It is a bit odd that he doesn't seem that close to returning.
He's better suited to the slot, but the coaches have said he's not a slot receiver. Of course they could be incompetent and/or lying.
Everyone thought Wink would start Moreau when Robinson went out. They started Flott. And he came out in that game because he was cramping up. Could he be a bad player? Sure, but the coaches went with the rookie.
Ezeudu getting starting snaps at LG and LT in camp. Early in camp and it continued. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted him starting immediately until he struggled in pass pro (just like Neal... hint, they are both rookies).
You;'d be better off waiting a while before making definitive judgments.
Naturally (in bold).
These aren't my judgments, but the judgments of 'draft experts' across the board. They are often wrong, but they aren't where they are by being wrong more often than not. Gettlemen reached early and often and was - not surprisingly - mostly wrong.
- Wan'dale Robinson is 5'8. Sure, line him up at flanker and see how he does against corners giving away 3-6 inches every time.
- I didn't really have an opinion on Flott versus Moreau. Both options aren't good.
- Ezeudu can't pass block to save his life, he was getting starting snaps because our interior OL is a dumpster fire
- Neal's pass blocking concerns bother me less since the position, and its demands, are different. The footwork issues weren't really a surprise. No one can really have expected Neal to 'handle' Demarcus Lawrence.
And yet Shepard has likely played his last game as a Giant. And there is a good chance Toney will be gone shortly too.
True.
On the other hand, it doesn't seem like either regime has really set up a good contingency plan for Golladay, who should have been an injury concern right out of the gate (he was coming off a hip injury suffered in 2020). Unless Sills and Collin Johnson were supposed to be contingencies.
There are a ton of positions they haven't addressed.
They had no cap space and "only" 11 draft picks.
Why didn't they draft center? Why didn't they draft three WR's? Why didn't draft more interior linemen? Why didn't they draft TEs?
Ezeudu was earning 1st team reps in practice over all the veterans they added in the offseason, including Garcia and Douglas. From the start of training camp. He was also the first guy to be backing up Thomas at LT.
So this wasn't an "injury" thing.
My guess is you're going to look pretty silly about Ezeudu in a year.
a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
There’s a reason that the Chiefs and a handful of other teams coveted him.
Trends change in football and with all this two high and stop explosive plays at all cost the running game and horizontal passing game is becoming more paramount to winning again.
Kadarius Toney over Rashod Bateman. Sterling Shepard over Michael Thomas.
Hopefully soon they can get one right.
Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
Scouting reports publicly available projected Robinson as a 3rd-5th round pick, with usefulness only as a slot WR.
In the second round, an absolute reach.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
1) The Giants were clearly TEAM building this year and felt that Robinson fit more of a need for what they are doing or would like to do now.
2) I was pretty high on Pickens BUT there were some red flags about injuries, attitude etc. It was noted in many reviews about him.
Not everything is a 1 for 1 in terms of how players are selected, where and why. AS lot of other teams passed on Pickens too.
The biggest issues we have with our current group is the fact that guys were being counted on KG, KT and WDR that either can't do it anymore or just cannot stay healthy to prove they can play. I am hopeful WDR is different here as his injury was just bad luck (knee got crumpled on that hit) but KG is done and KT is close to a never will be...
I have read this post three times and still have no idea what it means.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
I hope he's right, but even if - he's a slot WR, nothing more.
Flott is getting reps out of necessity.
Ezeudu also projected lower on most draft boards and is starting because of injury, not merit.
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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
I hope he's right, but even if - he's a slot WR, nothing more.
Flott is getting reps out of necessity.
Ezeudu also projected lower on most draft boards and is starting because of injury, not merit.
I am not sure you understand how the draft works and what boards are you talking about, those in the media or actual teams?
Everyone thought Wink would start Moreau when Robinson went out. They started Flott. And he came out in that game because he was cramping up. Could he be a bad player? Sure, but the coaches went with the rookie.
Ezeudu getting starting snaps at LG and LT in camp. Early in camp and it continued. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted him starting immediately until he struggled in pass pro (just like Neal... hint, they are both rookies).
You;'d be better off waiting a while before making definitive judgments.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
AGAIN, PICKENS MAY HAVE BEEN OFF THEIR BOARD BECAUSE OF RED FLAGS...
To me, it's more irritating seeing players we passed (e.g. Pickens) actually playing.
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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
I wanted Pierce myself as somebody who could backup then replace Golladay.
Also agree that Robinson felt like a redundancy with Toney (who felt like one for Shepard).
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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
Scouting reports publicly available projected Robinson as a 3rd-5th round pick, with usefulness only as a slot WR.
In the second round, an absolute reach.
Sy excluded, scouting reports "publicly available" = draft magazines and publications = written by people who either couldn't cut it or never made it as NFL scouts. Basing your opinion on who is and is not a reach on draft magazines and talking heads is asinine. The opinions of NFL talent evaluators often differ greatly from those sources. Obviously, our talent evaluators disagreed with the "consensus" of people not employed in the NFL. Time will tell if they were correct or not.
That said, Sy certainly seems to deserve a shot at a real, big-time NFL job.
True.
On the other hand, it doesn't seem like either regime has really set up a good contingency plan for Golladay, who should have been an injury concern right out of the gate (he was coming off a hip injury suffered in 2020). Unless Sills and Collin Johnson were supposed to be contingencies.
Robinson's knee injury must have been a pretty bad sprain. It is a bit odd that he doesn't seem that close to returning.
Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
You have to wait and see how he develops. Way too early to form a definitive judgment.
But when you draft a guy who is small and then he misses the first four games because of injury, it is obviously a concern.
Everyone thought Wink would start Moreau when Robinson went out. They started Flott. And he came out in that game because he was cramping up. Could he be a bad player? Sure, but the coaches went with the rookie.
Ezeudu getting starting snaps at LG and LT in camp. Early in camp and it continued. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted him starting immediately until he struggled in pass pro (just like Neal... hint, they are both rookies).
You;'d be better off waiting a while before making definitive judgments.
Naturally (in bold).
These aren't my judgments, but the judgments of 'draft experts' across the board. They are often wrong, but they aren't where they are by being wrong more often than not. Gettlemen reached early and often and was - not surprisingly - mostly wrong.
- Wan'dale Robinson is 5'8. Sure, line him up at flanker and see how he does against corners giving away 3-6 inches every time.
- I didn't really have an opinion on Flott versus Moreau. Both options aren't good.
- Ezeudu can't pass block to save his life, he was getting starting snaps because our interior OL is a dumpster fire
- Neal's pass blocking concerns bother me less since the position, and its demands, are different. The footwork issues weren't really a surprise. No one can really have expected Neal to 'handle' Demarcus Lawrence.
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And yet Shepard has likely played his last game as a Giant. And there is a good chance Toney will be gone shortly too.
True.
On the other hand, it doesn't seem like either regime has really set up a good contingency plan for Golladay, who should have been an injury concern right out of the gate (he was coming off a hip injury suffered in 2020). Unless Sills and Collin Johnson were supposed to be contingencies.
There are a ton of positions they haven't addressed.
They had no cap space and "only" 11 draft picks.
Why didn't they draft center? Why didn't they draft three WR's? Why didn't draft more interior linemen? Why didn't they draft TEs?
Get my point?
So this wasn't an "injury" thing.
My guess is you're going to look pretty silly about Ezeudu in a year.
There’s a reason that the Chiefs and a handful of other teams coveted him.
Trends change in football and with all this two high and stop explosive plays at all cost the running game and horizontal passing game is becoming more paramount to winning again.
Just take one look around the league right now.
No, it was character flag and drops. Even though he had perhaps the best catch I've seen since OBJ vs Dallas last week.