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Really hope that WD Robinson is something great

Bob in Newburgh : 10/3/2022 11:16 am
After watching games this Sun. having trouble justifying passing on Pickens for a specialty smurf, particularly with the wr personnel we already had.

I suppose our new braintrust was counting on Golladay.
They may really regret  
allstarjim : 10/3/2022 11:28 am : link
Not getting Pickens. He sure seems like a talent. I think down the line the WR they are really going to wish they picked over Wan'Dale is Skyy Moore.

Kadarius Toney over Rashod Bateman. Sterling Shepard over Michael Thomas.

Hopefully soon they can get one right.
Consensus was he wasn’t even  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 10/3/2022 11:55 am : link
a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.
RE: Consensus was he wasn’t even  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15843922 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.


Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?
Weren't there concerns about  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/3/2022 11:57 am : link
Pickens speed and route running? I thought I remembered him drawing some comparisons to Laquon Treadwell. But yea turns out he looks the part!
RE: RE: Consensus was he wasn’t even  
islander1 : 10/3/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15843923 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15843922 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:


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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.



Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?


Scouting reports publicly available projected Robinson as a 3rd-5th round pick, with usefulness only as a slot WR.

In the second round, an absolute reach.
islander1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 12:04 pm : link
Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.
I do think we all need to take a breath  
jvm52106 : 10/3/2022 12:06 pm : link
here on some of this stuff.

1) The Giants were clearly TEAM building this year and felt that Robinson fit more of a need for what they are doing or would like to do now.
2) I was pretty high on Pickens BUT there were some red flags about injuries, attitude etc. It was noted in many reviews about him.

Not everything is a 1 for 1 in terms of how players are selected, where and why. AS lot of other teams passed on Pickens too.

The biggest issues we have with our current group is the fact that guys were being counted on KG, KT and WDR that either can't do it anymore or just cannot stay healthy to prove they can play. I am hopeful WDR is different here as his injury was just bad luck (knee got crumpled on that hit) but KG is done and KT is close to a never will be...
RE: Consensus was he wasn’t even  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/3/2022 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15843922 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.



I have read this post three times and still have no idea what it means.
RE: islander1  
islander1 : 10/3/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15843942 Eric from BBI said:
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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.


I hope he's right, but even if - he's a slot WR, nothing more.

Flott is getting reps out of necessity.

Ezeudu also projected lower on most draft boards and is starting because of injury, not merit.
RE: RE: islander1  
jvm52106 : 10/3/2022 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15843958 islander1 said:
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In comment 15843942 Eric from BBI said:


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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.



I hope he's right, but even if - he's a slot WR, nothing more.

Flott is getting reps out of necessity.

Ezeudu also projected lower on most draft boards and is starting because of injury, not merit.


I am not sure you understand how the draft works and what boards are you talking about, those in the media or actual teams?
islander1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 12:15 pm : link
He's better suited to the slot, but the coaches have said he's not a slot receiver. Of course they could be incompetent and/or lying.

Everyone thought Wink would start Moreau when Robinson went out. They started Flott. And he came out in that game because he was cramping up. Could he be a bad player? Sure, but the coaches went with the rookie.

Ezeudu getting starting snaps at LG and LT in camp. Early in camp and it continued. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted him starting immediately until he struggled in pass pro (just like Neal... hint, they are both rookies).

You;'d be better off waiting a while before making definitive judgments.
Some of you people never seem to get it about "draft boards"  
blueblood : 10/3/2022 12:18 pm : link
The only one that teams care about is THEIRS... it doesnt matter what anyone else says or thinks. Teams evaluate players for THEIR systems and how they intend to use them.
referencing draft boards  
UConn4523 : 10/3/2022 12:19 pm : link
for your one and only argument is pretty absurd. I might take it into consideration regarding 1st round talent but beyond that you get a ton of variability. And most draft boards didn't even take our system into account (probably none of them) so what good are they?
RE: islander1  
Payasdaddy : 10/3/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15843942 Eric from BBI said:
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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.



Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans
RE: RE: islander1  
jvm52106 : 10/3/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15843979 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15843942 Eric from BBI said:


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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.




Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans


AGAIN, PICKENS MAY HAVE BEEN OFF THEIR BOARD BECAUSE OF RED FLAGS...
Robinson just needs to get on the field...  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 12:34 pm : link
The talent is there.

To me, it's more irritating seeing players we passed (e.g. Pickens) actually playing.
RE: RE: islander1  
Angel Eyes : 10/3/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15843979 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15843942 Eric from BBI said:


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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.




Eric. That may be true but my immediate eyeball test when he was on the field in pre season was I just don’t think he is holding up at that size. And he isn’t a red zone target. Obviously we need to see him on the field for the yr. But I wanted Pickens, especially because toney and wandale not too dissimilar of players. Of course with recent toney China doll crap, I don’t he factors into any long term plans

I wanted Pierce myself as somebody who could backup then replace Golladay.

Also agree that Robinson felt like a redundancy with Toney (who felt like one for Shepard).
Angel Eyes  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 12:40 pm : link
And yet Shepard has likely played his last game as a Giant. And there is a good chance Toney will be gone shortly too.
RE: RE: RE: Consensus was he wasn’t even  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 10/3/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15843938 islander1 said:
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In comment 15843922 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:


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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.



Why are the 2nd and 3rd round picks considered reaches?



Scouting reports publicly available projected Robinson as a 3rd-5th round pick, with usefulness only as a slot WR.

In the second round, an absolute reach.


Sy excluded, scouting reports "publicly available" = draft magazines and publications = written by people who either couldn't cut it or never made it as NFL scouts. Basing your opinion on who is and is not a reach on draft magazines and talking heads is asinine. The opinions of NFL talent evaluators often differ greatly from those sources. Obviously, our talent evaluators disagreed with the "consensus" of people not employed in the NFL. Time will tell if they were correct or not.

That said, Sy certainly seems to deserve a shot at a real, big-time NFL job.
RE: Angel Eyes  
Angel Eyes : 10/3/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15844020 Eric from BBI said:
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And yet Shepard has likely played his last game as a Giant. And there is a good chance Toney will be gone shortly too.

True.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like either regime has really set up a good contingency plan for Golladay, who should have been an injury concern right out of the gate (he was coming off a hip injury suffered in 2020). Unless Sills and Collin Johnson were supposed to be contingencies.
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ryanmkeane : 10/3/2022 12:49 pm : link
didn't really think much of it at the time, but Collin Johnson has been a pretty big loss considering Toney and Golladay are basically negatives at this point.

Robinson's knee injury must have been a pretty bad sprain. It is a bit odd that he doesn't seem that close to returning.
RE: islander1  
Vanzetti : 10/3/2022 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15843942 Eric from BBI said:
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Yet Sy'56 said repeatedly in his practice reports that Robinson was clearly the best WR on the team.

Ezeudu is going to start soon. Flott surprisingly has already gotten starting reps.


You have to wait and see how he develops. Way too early to form a definitive judgment.

But when you draft a guy who is small and then he misses the first four games because of injury, it is obviously a concern.
RE: islander1  
islander1 : 10/3/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15843964 Eric from BBI said:
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He's better suited to the slot, but the coaches have said he's not a slot receiver. Of course they could be incompetent and/or lying.

Everyone thought Wink would start Moreau when Robinson went out. They started Flott. And he came out in that game because he was cramping up. Could he be a bad player? Sure, but the coaches went with the rookie.

Ezeudu getting starting snaps at LG and LT in camp. Early in camp and it continued. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted him starting immediately until he struggled in pass pro (just like Neal... hint, they are both rookies).

You;'d be better off waiting a while before making definitive judgments.


Naturally (in bold).

These aren't my judgments, but the judgments of 'draft experts' across the board. They are often wrong, but they aren't where they are by being wrong more often than not. Gettlemen reached early and often and was - not surprisingly - mostly wrong.

- Wan'dale Robinson is 5'8. Sure, line him up at flanker and see how he does against corners giving away 3-6 inches every time.

- I didn't really have an opinion on Flott versus Moreau. Both options aren't good.

- Ezeudu can't pass block to save his life, he was getting starting snaps because our interior OL is a dumpster fire

- Neal's pass blocking concerns bother me less since the position, and its demands, are different. The footwork issues weren't really a surprise. No one can really have expected Neal to 'handle' Demarcus Lawrence.

RE: RE: Angel Eyes  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15844032 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15844020 Eric from BBI said:


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And yet Shepard has likely played his last game as a Giant. And there is a good chance Toney will be gone shortly too.


True.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like either regime has really set up a good contingency plan for Golladay, who should have been an injury concern right out of the gate (he was coming off a hip injury suffered in 2020). Unless Sills and Collin Johnson were supposed to be contingencies.


There are a ton of positions they haven't addressed.

They had no cap space and "only" 11 draft picks.

Why didn't they draft center? Why didn't they draft three WR's? Why didn't draft more interior linemen? Why didn't they draft TEs?

Get my point?
islander1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/3/2022 1:45 pm : link
Ezeudu was earning 1st team reps in practice over all the veterans they added in the offseason, including Garcia and Douglas. From the start of training camp. He was also the first guy to be backing up Thomas at LT.

So this wasn't an "injury" thing.

My guess is you're going to look pretty silly about Ezeudu in a year.
RE: Consensus was he wasn’t even  
Returning Video Tapes : 10/3/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15843922 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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a second rd WR. It’s obviously early but 2nd and 3rd were reaches makes you wonder what the guest would’ve been if we had picked in the teens. Really casts a shadow on any excitement i get. Next off season will be very interesting.


There’s a reason that the Chiefs and a handful of other teams coveted him.

Trends change in football and with all this two high and stop explosive plays at all cost the running game and horizontal passing game is becoming more paramount to winning again.

Just take one look around the league right now.
No receiver can be the best receiver  
Giant John : 10/3/2022 1:56 pm : link
If they can’t get on the field. I understand why SY is saying but availability counts too.
RE: Weren't there concerns about  
allstarjim : 10/4/2022 12:02 am : link
In comment 15843926 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Pickens speed and route running? I thought I remembered him drawing some comparisons to Laquon Treadwell. But yea turns out he looks the part!


No, it was character flag and drops. Even though he had perhaps the best catch I've seen since OBJ vs Dallas last week.

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