DJ runs for almost 70 yards and has 2 rushing TDs with pedestrian passing numbers.
When Jalen Hurts had games like this in 2021 he was lauded by some as a QB who is "just a winner."
But DJ has a very Hurtseque 2021 game and it's dismissed. Not to mention DJ did this with undoubtedly the worst starting group of WRs in the NFL and a bad to mediocre pass blocking OL, unlike what Hurts had last year.
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But DJ is on the clock and has had three seasons already. Those do count and should be a part of his evaluation at the end of this season (how much weight to assign to them is up to JS/BD/MK).
It's unfortunate that DJ continues to face unfavorable surroundings, but the reality is that the clock keeps ticking, his rookie contract is expiring, and his price tag - though undetermined - is very likely to go up, significantly.
Thus, he has to improve just to keep up with his own price tag, and has to improve even beyond that in order to be a viable centerpiece of the offense since he's going to occupy a larger part of the cap (which precludes reinforcements somewhere else on the roster, by definition).
The short version is - DJ needs to be play better than even the improved DJ is playing in order to justify a 2nd contract. And he needs to remain healthy and demonstrate a steadying influence on the offense with crap all around him.
Is it fair? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean he gets more chances based solely on bad circumstances and hoping they'll improve.
He's keeping his eyes downfield prior to taking off whereas Fields was immediately looking to run far too early (He missed a wide open td right before halftime).
If the Giants get to 8 wins this year and can get him on an affordable deal, they may be better served that rolling the dice on a weaker qb class.
He's keeping his eyes downfield prior to taking off whereas Fields was immediately looking to run far too early (He missed a wide open td right before halftime).
If the Giants get to 8 wins this year and can get him on an affordable deal, they may be better served that rolling the dice on a weaker qb class.
we hear this every season.. now come on... He runs very well when he is outside the pocket. He still appears to have severe deficiencies as a passer and decision-maker. Unless the plan is to run a single wing offense, we are going to have to consider moving on after 2022.
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can you be more specific?
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Putting aside whether they were even dismissing Jones yesterday or not...what does it matter to you that 3 posters may not be aligned with how you think about Jones?
But yet you found it necessary to create this OP anyway and call them out on the thread.
lame...
It appears that Jones has made major strides in three out of the four categories.
In four games he has two interceptions (one which was not his fault) and one fumble.
Jones is reading defenses much better and is playing the RPO as well as can be expected.
The Giants are 3-1, which may be misleading, but they are what their record says they are.
Jones is injured which is disappointing lets see what happens moving forward.
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can you be more specific?
Bw, Producer, Debaser, etc.
Putting aside whether they were even dismissing Jones yesterday or not...what does it matter to you that 3 posters may not be aligned with how you think about Jones?
But yet you found it necessary to create this OP anyway and call them out on the thread.
lame...
he's not talking about me. I never once said Hurts was good prior to 2022. It's funny, we can have 1,000 new threads about how tough and good Jones is, but if we start a single thread about stats that reveal Jones' deficiencies, then we get flamed for "starting another thread". It's fucking absurd. Look the big difference between 2022 Hurts and 2022 Jones, is that Hurts is throwing the ball well this season and SCORING POINTS. The Giants aren't going anywhere if we can't score more than 20 points a game. Period. That is poor offensive performance.
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can you be more specific?
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Where did I "dismiss" yesterday's performance?
What posters have questioned is Jones long term viability, given his flaws. There's nothing wrong with those questions.
However, it would be better if you actually wrote a well-thought out OP with stornger points than just suggesting things are ironic, odd, etc.
If Daniel Jones is your guy now and/or for the future then make some stronger commentary than just calling out others for the sake of it...
Well, have you logged in with that handle recently?
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Well, have you logged in with that handle recently?
And you were doing so well lately... and then you hit me with another ad hominem broadside. You can do better GT. I'm pulling for you.
But I’ll bite: Hurts has accounted for 1300 yards and 8tds this year
But I’ll bite: Hurts has accounted for 1300 yards and 8tds this year
Yes. While throwing to Devonta Smith and AJ Brown. Apples and Oranges
I understand what you are getting at but plenty have acknowledged DJ's effort yesterday. Plenty also understand the limitations of the offense.
I take hurts any day over Jones if I wanted a QB to run. I wish Jones had some better parts to get a better read on his development in the passing game but this is what he was drafted for. To throw from the pocket. His availability is again in question.
They did the same thing with Eli years ago; they came up with an initial narrative and would not come off it despite any success he had.
They did the same thing with Eli years ago; they came up with an initial narrative and would not come off it despite any success he had.
A mature observer holds onto their take until they are convinced otherwise, and doesn't change their opinion based on short term, small sample sizes. Even bad QBs have great games. And so far, Jones has shown moxie, for sure, but he's had no really great games throwing the ball.
This is an argument where there is a good chance I die on the hill. I still can't buy Hurts as a quality NFL passer. I don't think he has anywhere near a plus/quality arm and is absolutely benefitting from playing from an OL that is playing out of their minds. And good for him. That front office has built quite an overall offense.
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They should have compared him to Taysum Hill. Hurts has actually improved and become a real NFL QB.
This is an argument where there is a good chance I die on the hill. I still can't buy Hurts as a quality NFL passer. I don't think he has anywhere near a plus/quality arm and is absolutely benefitting from playing from an OL that is playing out of their minds. And good for him. That front office has built quite an overall offense.
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They should have compared him to Taysum Hill. Hurts has actually improved and become a real NFL QB.
This is an argument where there is a good chance I die on the hill. I still can't buy Hurts as a quality NFL passer. I don't think he has anywhere near a plus/quality arm and is absolutely benefitting from playing from an OL that is playing out of their minds. And good for him. That front office has built quite an overall offense.
I was in the same camp. I'm a huge OU Sooner fan and watched the 1 read and run offense for a year.
I think he's a guy, like Lamar Jackson, who opens up passing lanes because teams have to stop his rushing abilities first. He's no Mahomes or Rodgers, but I've read he's a film rat and worked on his throwing accuracy the last 2 offseasons.
I'm NEVER wrong (Ha!), but I was killed on the Josh Allen will never be an NFL passer "hill" and thought the same thing about Hurts out of college. I'm buying in on Hurts. I think he's become very solid at reading defenses pre-snap, going through some progressions, and finding/hitting open receivers.
You guys are being inconsistent.
Hurts is a better runner than Jones, however.
He is a winner in my book going back to Bama and tough as nails. Wish he played for another team.
Let's see how he does in the playoffs. Still very young.
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However, this is typical for the media. They come up with a narrative and will dig in their heals despite anything they see the contrary.
They did the same thing with Eli years ago; they came up with an initial narrative and would not come off it despite any success he had.
A mature observer holds onto their take until they are convinced otherwise, and doesn't change their opinion based on short term, small sample sizes. Even bad QBs have great games. And so far, Jones has shown moxie, for sure, but he's had no really great games throwing the ball.
That might be fine if the first opinion was an educated decision, based on facts, observations and film study, which is rarely the case. It's usually just talking heads parroting what they've heard others say and never giving an honest opinion when facts change.
They did the same thing with Eli years ago; they came up with an initial narrative and would not come off it despite any success he had.
What was the Eli narrative ? Just curious.
I didn't have espn / cable back then.
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They did the same thing with Eli years ago; they came up with an initial narrative and would not come off it despite any success he had.
What was the Eli narrative ? Just curious.
I didn't have espn / cable back then.
September 2022.
Here we go with this one.
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They did the same thing with Eli years ago; they came up with an initial narrative and would not come off it despite any success he had.
What was the Eli narrative ? Just curious.
I didn't have espn / cable back then.
September 2022.
Here we go with this one.
He must have been playing Pong on his ATARI back then...
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typical stat comparisons between Daniel and the rest of the NFL this season. This team is severely talent deficient. He's going to have many games with ugly stat lines. But to me, he is taking care of the ball and making plays. He threw some good balls yesterday that were dropped too.
He's keeping his eyes downfield prior to taking off whereas Fields was immediately looking to run far too early (He missed a wide open td right before halftime).
If the Giants get to 8 wins this year and can get him on an affordable deal, they may be better served that rolling the dice on a weaker qb class.
we hear this every season.. now come on... He runs very well when he is outside the pocket. He still appears to have severe deficiencies as a passer and decision-maker. Unless the plan is to run a single wing offense, we are going to have to consider moving on after 2022.
And if he is currently playing like he has in the past two games, the Giants are going to have to consider signing him.
I understand what you are getting at but plenty have acknowledged DJ's effort yesterday. Plenty also understand the limitations of the offense.
I take hurts any day over Jones if I wanted a QB to run. I wish Jones had some better parts to get a better read on his development in the passing game but this is what he was drafted for. To throw from the pocket. His availability is again in question.
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One game here or there okay. But what's his chances of being consistent? Going into each game - the game plan will always be the RB, Barkley. In fact the OL is far superior as run blockers than pass blockers.
And here is what SY has said of the Dallas game and also remember he called our WR crew "JV Talent" or something similar.
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https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment.
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What we'd love to see just won't happen in any consistent way.
The opposing teams have professionals too. And probably in every game the secondary talent from the opposition is much, much better that the Giants receivers excluding when Barkley goes out.
How can anyone expect any consistency? I fear we'll hear a response that "Rodgers can do it." Yean but Rodgers is an all-time great. Finding an all-time is pretty tough, no?
SO let's say ta best Jones is a pretty good QB. His Wr's and Tight Ends are arguably the worst in the NFL. As Pro Scout Sy has mentioned above with poor pass protection he's going to have a brutal time with consistency.
Overall it's another year the passing game is dead unless Toney or Robinson step up. It doesn't mean that Jones should nearly always suck though. He has a good staff and RB and at least the OL can usually help Barkley run.
He got hurt with 9 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter who knows how his numbers look at the end of the game if he played the full game.