Andrew Thomas is playing like an all pro
Saquon Barkley is playing like an all pro
Dexter Lawrence is playing like an all pro
Xavier McKinney is a pro bowler
Adoree Jackson is having an excellent season
Ojulari flying around and contributing at a high level
Love has turned a corner
Crowder, Robinson, Holmes have been contributing
Who drafted these players?
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
Again, completely missing the entire point.
And his hit rate was still way less than 50%.
What is the point exactly?
And you can add how many past first quarters till you get to how many wins we have now
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if it's true that DG wanted Parsons, it strengthens my point about his ability to draft high end talent. He was terrible at the other stuff.
You mean he had the ability to log onto the ESPN website and print out a list of the top 20 or so prospects in each draft?
well done...
In fairness, don't you find it somewhat impressive that DG would even be able to log onto the ESPN website in the first place? So what if the instructions had to be hand-written on post-it notes for him?
Some of these posters need to relax a little with the sign Jones/Barkley long term and see Gettleman was great, posts. Why not focus on how good the coaching staff is and how Schoen has made positive impact so far in selecting the staff.
Why stop there??!! Daboll is terrible, bring back Judge!! Hell, bring back Judge with Matt Patricia as O coordinator!!!!!
All you need to know is with the worst oline in the nfl in his last draft he didn’t even draft 1 lineman not even a late rounder. He should of been canned that day
Even Dexter Lawrence, which seems like a good pick, was not, because Jeffrey Simmons, playing the same position and picked a couple of picks later, was right there. And he is much better than Big Dex, who is a good player.
Trade up for DeAndre Baker was one of the most head-scratching trades I've ever seen.
Worse,it seems they avoided guys like Simmons and Parsons for apparent character flags but then trade up using valuable assets for DeAndre Baker and drafts Kadarius Toney (with Rashod Bateman on the board, mind you.
And that tells me he and the scouting department weren't really doing their homework on these guys.
Remember him saying about Baker they felt he was a clean prospect all the way around, yet insiders around the league dropped him bc of character.
This was published info on the internet, but DG didn't have a clue.
I love Saquon, loved the pick, would've done the same thing with that pick, but when the phone rings you have to answer. HE DIDN'T EVEN PICK UP THE PHONE. He's a clown and glad he's gone.
In fairness, don't you find it somewhat impressive that DG would even be able to log onto the ESPN website in the first place? So what if the instructions had to be hand-written on post-it notes for him?
Dunk - if you look close enough at that computer screen, he is actually doing the The Wordle. And on the post-it note he writes down the answer for each of the past few days...
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who drafted the players, I am just glad they are playing well. Although it is only the end of the first quarter of the season.
And you can add how many past first quarters till you get to how many wins we have now
I'm happy with the wins, but it is still early in the season and career of our new HC.
The failure of the developing the O-line is my greater disappointment with him because I really believed he would succeed there
If you say so, Dave.
Anyone saying they’d prefer DG drafting over Reese is in a fantasy world. The 2007 draft beats out DG’s entire body of work alone: Ross, Smith, Boss, Deossie, Alford, Bradshaw.
Other Reese picks, let’s limit to four drafts to be fair to Dave:
2008:
Kenny Phillips
Mario Manningham
Terrell Thomas
Jonathan Goff
Bryan Kehl
2009:
Hakeem Nicks
Will Beatty
2010:
JPP, Linval Joseph
In fairness, don't you find it somewhat impressive that DG would even be able to log onto the ESPN website in the first place? So what if the instructions had to be hand-written on post-it notes for him?
Nor was I falling for the Gettleman Family photo album in front of the laptop disguised as some sort of detailed player profile manual.
I would hope he hit on some players picking top 10 in every round every year he was GM. He also hired the coaches that stunted and delayed their development. He also missed on a bunch of premium picks too. Your obsession with wanting to give Dave pats on the back is weird., but you did think he just needed more time even toward the end so I get it. The guy set this franchise back so much, his name doesn’t even deserve to be spoken in connection with the Giants.
Is Dave a family member or something?
Now, complete the thought exercise and cover the rest of DG's job performance.
He was not a good draft pick, at all.
He was not a good draft pick, at all.
He’s contributed more than Darnay Holmes. What about the rest of the list Buddy.
Happy to have him running scouting, but he was not a good GM, no matter what happens with the guys he drafted.
His drafting was decent....getting an extra top 10 draft pick this year was pretty good.
He wanted Micah Parsons but Judge vetoed it
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Did Judge have a hard on for the SEC? Was that the issue? If true, that makes a lot of sense now.
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...and Peart.
Right, he made some horrible draft picks as well, but that's not the point of the post.
So what is the point? As you've said, he made some horrible FA acquisitions, which is the reason Schoen doesn't have the cap flexibility he wants. He also made some stupid trades, head of the list is the trade for LW.
Having Saquon on the team does not mean he was the right pick at 2, either. He got some other guys right. Whoop de doo. The fact that he was constantly picking high in almost every round helps too, why would that be.
And as others have pointed out, you don't mention Jones. Regardless of how he has played, he didn't get his option picked up. For a guy picked 6th, that's not easy to do.
But save us the Gettleman wasn't bad schtick.
Why do you keep harping on Jay Alford and ignoring the entire list that makes your asinine statement that Gettleman was a better drafter than Reese look bad?
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
You can absolutely fault him for not answering the phone. That team desperately needed talent; the cupboard was bare. If the Giants took the package the Jets offered the Colts they'd be far better off today than if they'd drafted Barkley.
It was the fundamental mistake of his tenure.
For me the drafts of 2011-17 (and drafts of 09-10 after round 2) was far more damaging with the HC and QB already in the building. Dave's inability to not have a quality OL by 2 and certainly by year 3 is not far behind.
I wonder how much the Mara meddling factor increased after EA left. Seems like one of those got greater over time.
And those hires were not very flattering.
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
The "debate" may have been between Barkley and the QBs, the smart option is to trade down if you don't like any of the QBs, which the Giants obviously did not. But DG didn't trade down, so to a roster bereft of talent we added a "luxury" guy. Dumb.
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The debate at that time was not Barkley vs Allen…it was Barkley vs Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen. The consensus was Allen was not worthy of a top 5 pick.
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
The "debate" may have been between Barkley and the QBs, the smart option is to trade down if you don't like any of the QBs, which the Giants obviously did not. But DG didn't trade down, so to a roster bereft of talent we added a "luxury" guy. Dumb.
Yep.
The value of that #2 slot wasn't optimized. That spot was for some team to take a QB in that 2018 draft. If the Gettleman evaluation process wasn't comfortable with any of the QBs then the play was to get out of thast spot for highest value offered versus just drafting a good RB which would have been available in Rd 2 as well...
He had a character flag, that didn't prevent him from being picked a couple of picks later by the Titans, and who has had zero issues in the NFL, and certainly didn't prevent him from being 2nd team All-Pro last season.
But the point is, you passed on the superior DT talent which I assume was bc of the flag, but traded up for Baker in the same draft. Also didn't prevent that GM from taking Kadarius Toney.
So it's just not consistent. Simmons was a clear stud if we're just talking about between the lines.
So Gettleman and his staff either were asleep at the wheel with DeAndre Baker or it shouldn't have really been an issue, right?
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had off the field, legal issues.
He had a character flag, that didn't prevent him from being picked a couple of picks later by the Titans, and who has had zero issues in the NFL, and certainly didn't prevent him from being 2nd team All-Pro last season.
But the point is, you passed on the superior DT talent which I assume was bc of the flag, but traded up for Baker in the same draft. Also didn't prevent that GM from taking Kadarius Toney.
So it's just not consistent. Simmons was a clear stud if we're just talking about between the lines.
So Gettleman and his staff either were asleep at the wheel with DeAndre Baker or it shouldn't have really been an issue, right?
This. Blaming character issues is a cop out.
A child with a draft guide could have come out with similar results.