Don't look now....*ducks*

looking forward to reading all the reasons why we shouldn't be excited for how they are all playing.

continues to drive home how bad our previous coaching staff was.

The Tennessee titans drafted Adoree Jackson

i'm only kidding. but still. a lot of these guys were ridiculed for years by posters who are no longer here

In comment 15844096 KingBlue said:

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The Tennessee titans drafted Adoree Jackson

good catch! but you get my point

His persona also didn't do him any favors.

His drafting was decent....getting an extra top 10 draft pick this year was pretty good.

He wanted Micah Parsons but Judge vetoed it

And DGs insistnace that it takes a few years to “bring the puppies along” was also true. But good coaching matters

Now that the Pro Bowl has been done away with, will there still be such thing as a "Pro Bowler"? Are they still naming a team....maybe guys who get invited to participate in all the non-game events they usually do... even though there will be no game?

but you can identify a few good players on even the worst teams in the league. By NFL standards, the cupboard is still pretty bare.

as the GM of Tennessee when they drafted Adoree Jackson?

as i've said a million times, most GMs draft records are fairly even...there are some outliers who are just better than others at evaluating talent, but DG was pretty good at it. He was involved with hiring 2 head coaches that were in over their head and made some disastrous FA signings.

roster he left us...

...and Peart.

i'll go one step further and say that Gettleman was better at drafting players than Jerry Reese.

In comment 15844123 sb from NYT Forum said:

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...and Peart.

Right, he made some horrible draft picks as well, but that's not the point of the post.

is going to be joining this thread soon and be very angry that he wasn't mentioned in your OP.

hater...

Jones?

If you want to puff up DG, certainly you should add his prize pick

but the year Gettlemen took Saquon he also passed up on Josh Allen.

Googs, i still like Jones. Wouldn't bother me one bit if the new regime decided to trade up for CJ Stroud, but i think Jones can be the quarterback of this team moving forward if they keep building it.

who drafted the players, I am just glad they are playing well. Although it is only the end of the first quarter of the season.

Speaks for itself.

The fact that at 3 wins half the board wants to sign everyone and everything long term kinda speaks to how awful things have been here for almost a decade.

In comment 15844144 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Speaks for itself. The fact that at 3 wins half the board wants to sign everyone and everything long term kinda speaks to how awful things have been here for almost a decade.

Right, and we tend to be too excited when things are going well, and too down when things are going so well.

the story on Jones is yet to be written. He's had some moments this year. Game winning drive on the road against Tennessee. Played well against Dallas with 12 guys in his face on every play. Played well yesterday with what they had, and he's adapting to the new scheme with next to nothing at WR.

I still want to see him play the season out.

going so well.

In comment 15844152 ryanmkeane said:

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the story on Jones is yet to be written. He's had some moments this year. Game winning drive on the road against Tennessee. Played well against Dallas with 12 guys in his face on every play. Played well yesterday with what they had, and he's adapting to the new scheme with next to nothing at WR. I still want to see him play the season out.

Is that why all the pressure came during the Dallas game...they had 12 guys on the field?

is pretty much written for me, unless there is a surprise twist at the end. In my view he is an ok quarterback, we could do much better. However, if the coaching staff continues to show they know what they are doing and want to keep Jones, then I will re-evaluate.

However, it was reported that Gettleman coveted Micah Parsons by Peter King, and it was Judge who pounded the table for Toney.

In comment 15844128 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 15844123 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: ...and Peart. Right, he made some horrible draft picks as well, but that's not the point of the post.

What was the point of the post then?

In comment 15844152 ryanmkeane said:

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the story on Jones is yet to be written.

He's 4 games into his 4th season. The story on Jones is 80% written whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

right, and everyone thought Saquon Barkley sucked and his career was over. Everyone thought Andrew Thomas was a bust, etc.

Jones' career here is not done with quite yet.

In comment 15844161 Sean said:

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However, it was reported that Gettleman coveted Micah Parsons by Peter King, and it was Judge who pounded the table for Toney.

A few versions on Parsons out there. Some contend Parsons was flagged on the board for his personality and it was a consensus to avoid another Baker situation...

In comment 15844097 ryanmkeane said:

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i'm only kidding. but still. a lot of these guys were ridiculed for years by posters who are no longer here

How could they be ridiculed for years when most are in their 2nd or 3rd year here?

Left this team bereft of talent in many, many positions. Yet somehow, the team is in salary cap hell. He's had a few nice finds, which I now attribute more to a potentially great coaching staff making chicken salad from chicken sh**. Gettleman's tenure here was an abject failure and utter embarrassment. His GM job during his stint should go down as a top 5 worst GM performance all time.

Barkley, Thomas, and Lawrence: all players who a lot of posters have said were horrible draft picks and wanted nothing to do with.

In comment 15844169 ryanmkeane said:

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right, and everyone thought Saquon Barkley sucked and his career was over. Everyone thought Andrew Thomas was a bust, etc. Jones' career here is not done with quite yet.

Good lord...nobody said Barkley's career was over.

The debates (real ones) are whether it makes sense to invest bigger dollars in a oft-injured RB going on his second contract. Especially for a team still rebuilding in so many areas.

In comment 15844170 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15844161 Sean said: Quote: However, it was reported that Gettleman coveted Micah Parsons by Peter King, and it was Judge who pounded the table for Toney. A few versions on Parsons out there. Some contend Parsons was flagged on the board for his personality and it was a consensus to avoid another Baker situation...

But draft Toney in the same draft? Lol. Makes sense.

In comment 15844097 ryanmkeane said:

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i'm only kidding. but still. a lot of these guys were ridiculed for years by posters who are no longer here

If I remember correctly you waxed poetically about the prior regime that they could do no wrong. This roster isn't elite and is loaded with issues, so I wouldn't get on a high horse and crow. The other side can tear your argument apart

In comment 15844187 Doubledeuce22 said:

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In comment 15844170 bw in dc said: A few versions on Parsons out there. Some contend Parsons was flagged on the board for his personality and it was a consensus to avoid another Baker situation... But draft Toney in the same draft? Lol. Makes sense.

Yeah, you can't make it up.

In comment 15844169 ryanmkeane said:

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right, and everyone thought Saquon Barkley sucked and his career was over. Everyone thought Andrew Thomas was a bust, etc. Jones' career here is not done with quite yet.

I think your reading comprehension deficiencies are on display often enough that we don't need to belabor the thread with them, but if I'm not mistaken, the issues with Barkley were that you don't take a RB so highly in the draft because their marginal value doesn't justify how expensive the #2 overall pick is (at any position) and the overall health record at that position tends to be spotty.

Guess what? Barkley missed essentially half of his most affordable years, in his prime, due to injury. Which is a RB issue more than a Barkley issue. Which is why people complained about taking a RB at #2 overall not about taking Barkley personally at #2 overall. And those who advocated for the selection pointed out that Barkley is different from all those other RBs, but is he? He got injured just like them, and now in his resurgent campaign so far, he's being used an awful lot like a traditional RB.

That said, Barkley has been tremendous this season. I'm glad he's on the team. And I think the draft pick was awful and was the first indication that DG was fucking clueless and out of touch with the modern game of NFL football.

As usual, both things can be true.

And while you're sitting there enjoying the aroma of your own flatulence, why don't you also share with us some of the many instances of you pleading with BBI to give players another chance, to let it play out, etc., where the player wound up never justifying your patience? You've been wrong way more often than you've been right. I don't think you should be taking a victory lap unless you want the feedback for your frequent bad takes.

Unbelievable that there are still fans making excuses for the last 10 years.

Unbelievable.

And if Toney could somehow find a way to stay healthy, we know he's a talented player, and that trade with the Bears might wind up EXCEPTIONAL.

There's more to being a GM than drafting though.

- He was a God awful evaluator of coaches
- He was a God awful manager of the salary cap
- He was a God awful evaluator of free agents
- He, mostly, prioritized the wrong positions in every facet of roster management
- He showed an unwillingness to change or even adjust his preconceived notions
- He took no accountability for the organization's recent shortcomings.

So yeah, I'll give you his drafts are not bad. They were actually mostly pretty good... but that's the beginning and end on any positive statement regarding Gettleman.

His idiotic decisions got two coaching staffs fired. That he drafted players that another staff is getting to perform is not relevant.

He had four years to get this team into shape, and he couldn't put together a roster good enough to get more than six wins. And all through it, he was arrogant as hell.

If Gettleman was still in the front office, we'd be 0-4 and he'd be saying, "I've got a six year plan, darlin'."

In comment 15844207 Eric from BBI said:

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Unbelievable that there are still fans making excuses for the last 10 years. Unbelievable.

Eric - you're not understanding. I'm specifically mentioning players drafted by Gettleman who are playing at an elite level this season. That's it. That was all I said.

Gettleman was a very bad GM. I am just making the point about THESE PLAYERS who were either drafted or signed by him.

In comment 15844170 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15844161 Sean said: Quote: However, it was reported that Gettleman coveted Micah Parsons by Peter King, and it was Judge who pounded the table for Toney. A few versions on Parsons out there. Some contend Parsons was flagged on the board for his personality and it was a consensus to avoid another Baker situation...

The version that matters being the Giants (not just DG and not just Judge or anybody else) wanted one of the Bama receivers with their pick, not Parsons.

With Waddle taken earlier and then when they got jumped for Smith, they activated their option to trade down with Chicago, and had 5 names or so in the next tier that they would pick from when they got there. However, when they got to #20 all those names were either gone and/or they pulled up Toney on their board to get Jones a much-needed playmaker.

No need to make this a DG or JJ pick debate...

if it's true that DG wanted Parsons, it strengthens my point about his ability to draft high end talent. He was terrible at the other stuff.

In comment 15844103 George from PA said:

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His persona also didn't do him any favors. His drafting was decent....getting an extra top 10 draft pick this year was pretty good. He wanted Micah Parsons but Judge vetoed it

Wait, Judge vetoed Parsons? Not Mara? I have never heard this before.

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Also look at how much better we are with Leo in the line up. We actually have bunch of talent on Defense.

In comment 15844239 ryanmkeane said:

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if it's true that DG wanted Parsons, it strengthens my point about his ability to draft high end talent. He was terrible at the other stuff.

You mean he had the ability to log onto the ESPN website and print out a list of the top 20 or so prospects in each draft?

well done...