Andrew Thomas is playing like an all pro
Saquon Barkley is playing like an all pro
Dexter Lawrence is playing like an all pro
Xavier McKinney is a pro bowler
Adoree Jackson is having an excellent season
Ojulari flying around and contributing at a high level
Love has turned a corner
Crowder, Robinson, Holmes have been contributing
Who drafted these players?
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Unbelievable that there are still fans making excuses for the last 10 years.
Unbelievable.
Eric - you're not understanding. I'm specifically mentioning players drafted by Gettleman who are playing at an elite level this season. That's it. That was all I said.
The make a post and hide behind “was kidding” or “it’s not how you’re interpreting it” is hilarious.
We know this is a “Gettleman wasn’t that bad” thread.
The coaching Schoen put together is light years better than the tomato cans Getty hired. DaBALLs and his massive staff of Kafka and Wink are getting the most from the players on the field. They aren’t giving away games with stupid calls and mismanagement. But let’s not kid ourselves, Getty made far more horrible calls than bad calls and he hardly got anything right. The players we have aren’t wining a Division title or Supe this year or next.
Well, then I guess I fit right into the logic of this thread...
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right, and everyone thought Saquon Barkley sucked and his career was over. Everyone thought Andrew Thomas was a bust, etc.
Jones' career here is not done with quite yet.
I think your reading comprehension deficiencies are on display often enough that we don't need to belabor the thread with them, but if I'm not mistaken, the issues with Barkley were that you don't take a RB so highly in the draft because their marginal value doesn't justify how expensive the #2 overall pick is (at any position) and the overall health record at that position tends to be spotty.
Guess what? Barkley missed essentially half of his most affordable years, in his prime, due to injury. Which is a RB issue more than a Barkley issue. Which is why people complained about taking a RB at #2 overall not about taking Barkley personally at #2 overall. And those who advocated for the selection pointed out that Barkley is different from all those other RBs, but is he? He got injured just like them, and now in his resurgent campaign so far, he's being used an awful lot like a traditional RB.
That said, Barkley has been tremendous this season. I'm glad he's on the team. And I think the draft pick was awful and was the first indication that DG was fucking clueless and out of touch with the modern game of NFL football.
As usual, both things can be true.
And while you're sitting there enjoying the aroma of your own flatulence, why don't you also share with us some of the many instances of you pleading with BBI to give players another chance, to let it play out, etc., where the player wound up never justifying your patience? You've been wrong way more often than you've been right. I don't think you should be taking a victory lap unless you want the feedback for your frequent bad takes.
This sums it up nicely. Its a nuance that few posters were able to distinguish. It wasn't picking Barkley himself that was a mistake, it was the position itself. To your point, the argument was that Barkley was the exception, not the rule. It has been proven 5 years out that Barkley was part of the rule, not the exception. His was not a difference maker in his cheapest years, largely due to injury, which was the foundational argument for not investing high in a running back.
Find a post where I’ve said Barkley sucks. I’ve said picking a running back second is a mistake. That the pick was a mistake because of the injuries. That the way he ran wasn’t a style that’s worth giving a second contract to, but I’ve never said he’s not talented.
They'll still be cleaning up this mess for years.
Classic Ryan.
YES!!! Daniel Jones, DeAndre Baker and Kadarious Toney have lit the league on fire. Let's not forget the mishandling of position value with Barkley and the #2 overall pick. Should we also discuss the overall neglect of the O-Line and WR position in the draft???
When healthy, I'd rather have Barkley over Nelson. You can find a really good interior guard. Players of Barkley's talent don't necessarily come around often.
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
Again, completely missing the entire point.
And his hit rate was still way less than 50%.
What is the point exactly?
And you can add how many past first quarters till you get to how many wins we have now
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if it's true that DG wanted Parsons, it strengthens my point about his ability to draft high end talent. He was terrible at the other stuff.
You mean he had the ability to log onto the ESPN website and print out a list of the top 20 or so prospects in each draft?
well done...
In fairness, don't you find it somewhat impressive that DG would even be able to log onto the ESPN website in the first place? So what if the instructions had to be hand-written on post-it notes for him?
Some of these posters need to relax a little with the sign Jones/Barkley long term and see Gettleman was great, posts. Why not focus on how good the coaching staff is and how Schoen has made positive impact so far in selecting the staff.
Why stop there??!! Daboll is terrible, bring back Judge!! Hell, bring back Judge with Matt Patricia as O coordinator!!!!!
All you need to know is with the worst oline in the nfl in his last draft he didn’t even draft 1 lineman not even a late rounder. He should of been canned that day
Even Dexter Lawrence, which seems like a good pick, was not, because Jeffrey Simmons, playing the same position and picked a couple of picks later, was right there. And he is much better than Big Dex, who is a good player.
Trade up for DeAndre Baker was one of the most head-scratching trades I've ever seen.
Worse,it seems they avoided guys like Simmons and Parsons for apparent character flags but then trade up using valuable assets for DeAndre Baker and drafts Kadarius Toney (with Rashod Bateman on the board, mind you.
And that tells me he and the scouting department weren't really doing their homework on these guys.
Remember him saying about Baker they felt he was a clean prospect all the way around, yet insiders around the league dropped him bc of character.
This was published info on the internet, but DG didn't have a clue.
I love Saquon, loved the pick, would've done the same thing with that pick, but when the phone rings you have to answer. HE DIDN'T EVEN PICK UP THE PHONE. He's a clown and glad he's gone.
In fairness, don't you find it somewhat impressive that DG would even be able to log onto the ESPN website in the first place? So what if the instructions had to be hand-written on post-it notes for him?
Dunk - if you look close enough at that computer screen, he is actually doing the The Wordle. And on the post-it note he writes down the answer for each of the past few days...
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who drafted the players, I am just glad they are playing well. Although it is only the end of the first quarter of the season.
And you can add how many past first quarters till you get to how many wins we have now
I'm happy with the wins, but it is still early in the season and career of our new HC.
The failure of the developing the O-line is my greater disappointment with him because I really believed he would succeed there
If you say so, Dave.
Anyone saying they’d prefer DG drafting over Reese is in a fantasy world. The 2007 draft beats out DG’s entire body of work alone: Ross, Smith, Boss, Deossie, Alford, Bradshaw.
Other Reese picks, let’s limit to four drafts to be fair to Dave:
2008:
Kenny Phillips
Mario Manningham
Terrell Thomas
Jonathan Goff
Bryan Kehl
2009:
Hakeem Nicks
Will Beatty
2010:
JPP, Linval Joseph
In fairness, don't you find it somewhat impressive that DG would even be able to log onto the ESPN website in the first place? So what if the instructions had to be hand-written on post-it notes for him?
Nor was I falling for the Gettleman Family photo album in front of the laptop disguised as some sort of detailed player profile manual.
I would hope he hit on some players picking top 10 in every round every year he was GM. He also hired the coaches that stunted and delayed their development. He also missed on a bunch of premium picks too. Your obsession with wanting to give Dave pats on the back is weird., but you did think he just needed more time even toward the end so I get it. The guy set this franchise back so much, his name doesn’t even deserve to be spoken in connection with the Giants.
Is Dave a family member or something?
Now, complete the thought exercise and cover the rest of DG's job performance.
He was not a good draft pick, at all.
He was not a good draft pick, at all.
He’s contributed more than Darnay Holmes. What about the rest of the list Buddy.