Andrew Thomas is playing like an all pro
Saquon Barkley is playing like an all pro
Dexter Lawrence is playing like an all pro
Xavier McKinney is a pro bowler
Adoree Jackson is having an excellent season
Ojulari flying around and contributing at a high level
Love has turned a corner
Crowder, Robinson, Holmes have been contributing
Who drafted these players?
Happy to have him running scouting, but he was not a good GM, no matter what happens with the guys he drafted.
His drafting was decent....getting an extra top 10 draft pick this year was pretty good.
He wanted Micah Parsons but Judge vetoed it
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Did Judge have a hard on for the SEC? Was that the issue? If true, that makes a lot of sense now.
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...and Peart.
Right, he made some horrible draft picks as well, but that's not the point of the post.
So what is the point? As you've said, he made some horrible FA acquisitions, which is the reason Schoen doesn't have the cap flexibility he wants. He also made some stupid trades, head of the list is the trade for LW.
Having Saquon on the team does not mean he was the right pick at 2, either. He got some other guys right. Whoop de doo. The fact that he was constantly picking high in almost every round helps too, why would that be.
And as others have pointed out, you don't mention Jones. Regardless of how he has played, he didn't get his option picked up. For a guy picked 6th, that's not easy to do.
But save us the Gettleman wasn't bad schtick.
Why do you keep harping on Jay Alford and ignoring the entire list that makes your asinine statement that Gettleman was a better drafter than Reese look bad?
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
You can absolutely fault him for not answering the phone. That team desperately needed talent; the cupboard was bare. If the Giants took the package the Jets offered the Colts they'd be far better off today than if they'd drafted Barkley.
It was the fundamental mistake of his tenure.
For me the drafts of 2011-17 (and drafts of 09-10 after round 2) was far more damaging with the HC and QB already in the building. Dave's inability to not have a quality OL by 2 and certainly by year 3 is not far behind.
I wonder how much the Mara meddling factor increased after EA left. Seems like one of those got greater over time.
And those hires were not very flattering.
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
The "debate" may have been between Barkley and the QBs, the smart option is to trade down if you don't like any of the QBs, which the Giants obviously did not. But DG didn't trade down, so to a roster bereft of talent we added a "luxury" guy. Dumb.
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The debate at that time was not Barkley vs Allen…it was Barkley vs Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen. The consensus was Allen was not worthy of a top 5 pick.
So while I think DG was indeed a bad GM, all things considered and with 20/20 hindsight I don’t think you can fault him for the pick. Where would the team be had it, say, built around Darnold?
The "debate" may have been between Barkley and the QBs, the smart option is to trade down if you don't like any of the QBs, which the Giants obviously did not. But DG didn't trade down, so to a roster bereft of talent we added a "luxury" guy. Dumb.
Yep.
The value of that #2 slot wasn't optimized. That spot was for some team to take a QB in that 2018 draft. If the Gettleman evaluation process wasn't comfortable with any of the QBs then the play was to get out of thast spot for highest value offered versus just drafting a good RB which would have been available in Rd 2 as well...
He had a character flag, that didn't prevent him from being picked a couple of picks later by the Titans, and who has had zero issues in the NFL, and certainly didn't prevent him from being 2nd team All-Pro last season.
But the point is, you passed on the superior DT talent which I assume was bc of the flag, but traded up for Baker in the same draft. Also didn't prevent that GM from taking Kadarius Toney.
So it's just not consistent. Simmons was a clear stud if we're just talking about between the lines.
So Gettleman and his staff either were asleep at the wheel with DeAndre Baker or it shouldn't have really been an issue, right?
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had off the field, legal issues.
He had a character flag, that didn't prevent him from being picked a couple of picks later by the Titans, and who has had zero issues in the NFL, and certainly didn't prevent him from being 2nd team All-Pro last season.
But the point is, you passed on the superior DT talent which I assume was bc of the flag, but traded up for Baker in the same draft. Also didn't prevent that GM from taking Kadarius Toney.
So it's just not consistent. Simmons was a clear stud if we're just talking about between the lines.
So Gettleman and his staff either were asleep at the wheel with DeAndre Baker or it shouldn't have really been an issue, right?
This. Blaming character issues is a cop out.
A child with a draft guide could have come out with similar results.