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bw in dc : 10/3/2022 5:20 pm
I realize there is a game tonight, but the top five QBR producers this week so far are:

5. Cooper Rush 75
4. Pat Mahomes 90.5
3. Justin Herbert 90.6
2. Geno Smith 91.3
1. Daniel Jones 92.3

Now, I wouldn't have graded Jones that high, but this is a good example of why QBR is a better measurement than other metrics like Passer Rating.

In the case of Jones, he is getting credit for his running contributions, avoiding big losses, not turning the ball over, and having to deal with a poor receiving corp. And in the context of the game, it's certainly deserved.

if this is the case  
Bill in UT : 10/3/2022 5:25 pm : link
Jones vs Geno should be on PPV if it works out that way
3 of the top 5  
JB_in_DC : 10/3/2022 5:26 pm : link
were in Giants QB room in recent seasons. QB factory!
I am not sure what shocks me more  
LG in NYC : 10/3/2022 5:26 pm : link
these stats or the fact that bw posted it : )
It's really just a toss-up at this point whether we go with the  
Jimmy Googs : 10/3/2022 5:32 pm : link
Franchise Tag or the full blown 5-Year extension...
RE: It's really just a toss-up at this point whether we go with the  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/3/2022 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15844674 Jimmy Googs said:
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Franchise Tag or the full blown 5-Year extension...


5 years 40 per to start
RE: I am not sure what shocks me more  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15844664 LG in NYC said:
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these stats or the fact that bw posted it : )


I always try to be fair and balanced. You know that... ;)
RE: It's really just a toss-up at this point whether we go with the  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15844674 Jimmy Googs said:
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Franchise Tag or the full blown 5-Year extension...


I was nervous about posting this out of fear of John running into Schoen's office and demanding a new contract right for Jones right now.
Interesting. Is there a site that explains what the 2 different ways  
Ira : 10/3/2022 5:46 pm : link
of rating quarterbacks include?
RE: RE: It's really just a toss-up at this point whether we go with the  
Jimmy Googs : 10/3/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15844681 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15844674 Jimmy Googs said:


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Franchise Tag or the full blown 5-Year extension...



I was nervous about posting this out of fear of John running into Schoen's office and demanding a new contract right for Jones right now.


Don't you mean running into Chris Mara's office, Shadow GM...



I hadn't done a Chris reference since the season started so bear with me. I was in a bit of a withdrawal :-)
RE: Interesting. Is there a site that explains what the 2 different ways  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15844686 Ira said:
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of rating quarterbacks include?


Keeping it simple, QBR is a two-prong approach. A human element and a formula element. There are actual multiple analysts watching each game and grading each play by the QB. And then those results/variables are weighted to determine the overall score of the QB's performance.

Passer Rating, on the other hand, is simply a formula where you plug the QB's final statistics and get a final result. It does not have any context.
What  
Ron Johnson : 10/3/2022 5:57 pm : link
Stat informs the algorithm of poor receiving corps?
RE: What  
Tuckrule : 10/3/2022 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15844704 Ron Johnson said:
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Stat informs the algorithm of poor receiving corps?


Haha that’s a great point
RE: What  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15844704 Ron Johnson said:
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Stat informs the algorithm of poor receiving corps?


The QBR approach works this way for something like that:

The QB makes a good pass to the below average WR who drops it. Therefore, the QB still gets credit for making an accurate pass.

If the QB is looking for an open WR, but no one is open, the QB doesn't get penalized for either running, throwing the ball away, avoiding a sack, etc. If there is an interception, that QB would get penalized for forcing a throw not there...

Does he get credit for his blocking  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/3/2022 6:52 pm : link
And route running(or lack thereof)?
passer rating i still pretty useful  
Producer : 10/3/2022 7:22 pm : link
it just doesn't measure running.
RE: RE: What  
GMen72 : 10/3/2022 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15844739 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15844704 Ron Johnson said:


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Stat informs the algorithm of poor receiving corps?



The QBR approach works this way for something like that:

The QB makes a good pass to the below average WR who drops it. Therefore, the QB still gets credit for making an accurate pass.

If the QB is looking for an open WR, but no one is open, the QB doesn't get penalized for either running, throwing the ball away, avoiding a sack, etc. If there is an interception, that QB would get penalized for forcing a throw not there...


If a QB never throws a pass longer than 5 yards or never throws a TD, just blame his receivers and call him the best QB that week? Got it.
QB-U  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/3/2022 7:37 pm : link
NY GIANTS
Bw  
LG in NYC : 10/3/2022 7:56 pm : link
Whenever I see your name, all I can think is “fair and balanced“. Is there a stat that factors in “force multiplier“? :-)
RE: Bw  
bw in dc : 10/3/2022 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15844940 LG in NYC said:
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Whenever I see your name, all I can think is “fair and balanced“. Is there a stat that factors in “force multiplier“? :-)


LG - I have reconnected with Matt in 'Cuse and he's working on something... ;)

BTW, when is the last time you spoke with Rob C?
Bw  
LG in NYC : 10/3/2022 9:48 pm : link
20+ years?

Matt in Syracuse is the BBi equivalent of classic MTV
RE: RE: RE: What  
giantstock : 10/4/2022 2:03 am : link
In comment 15844885 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15844739 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15844704 Ron Johnson said:


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Stat informs the algorithm of poor receiving corps?



The QBR approach works this way for something like that:

The QB makes a good pass to the below average WR who drops it. Therefore, the QB still gets credit for making an accurate pass.

If the QB is looking for an open WR, but no one is open, the QB doesn't get penalized for either running, throwing the ball away, avoiding a sack, etc. If there is an interception, that QB would get penalized for forcing a throw not there...




If a QB never throws a pass longer than 5 yards or never throws a TD, just blame his receivers and call him the best QB that week? Got it.


How dare he win the football game which allows you to bitch more., Got it.
Total Offense Rankings  
eclipz928 : 10/4/2022 6:27 am : link
Cowboys - 26th
Chiefs - 5th
Chargers - 7th
Seahawks - 11th
Giants - 22nd

4 games is too small of a sample size to make much of QBR.
RE: RE: What  
Ira : 10/4/2022 7:10 am : link
In comment 15844739 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15844704 Ron Johnson said:


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Stat informs the algorithm of poor receiving corps?



The QBR approach works this way for something like that:

The QB makes a good pass to the below average WR who drops it. Therefore, the QB still gets credit for making an accurate pass.

If the QB is looking for an open WR, but no one is open, the QB doesn't get penalized for either running, throwing the ball away, avoiding a sack, etc. If there is an interception, that QB would get penalized for forcing a throw not there...


Thanks.
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