I think King is wrong & that's not a shot @ Donald; he's an all timer, but LT...he is in another class IMO. He changed the game. Donald didn't. Link - ( New Window )
LT's a rushbacker, Aaron Donald a defensive tackle. King would be better comparing Donald to Alan Page, perhaps the best pass-rushing defensive tackle of all time.
LT's a rushbacker, Aaron Donald a defensive tackle. King would be better comparing Donald to Alan Page, perhaps the best pass-rushing defensive tackle of all time.
I think Aikman said something like that. As a Giants fan who saw every game Taylor played, I don’t think anyone comes close to LT. The only question I have is that by today’s rules, LT would,be penalized for lots of plays or worse. Donald is playing by a different set of rules especially regarding hitting the QB.
I think Aikman said something like that. As a Giants fan who saw every game Taylor played, I don’t think anyone comes close to LT. The only question I have is that by today’s rules, LT would,be penalized for lots of plays or worse. Donald is playing by a different set of rules especially regarding hitting the QB.
As a fan, you could literally see LT lining up and preparing to bring it or back off.
I just remember a George Young quote about LT. "You could take someone who knew nothing about football, watch the Giants defense for 5 minutes and they'd immediately know Taylor was the best player on the field" (paraphrasing).
I think Aikman said something like that. As a Giants fan who saw every game Taylor played, I don’t think anyone comes close to LT. The only question I have is that by today’s rules, LT would,be penalized for lots of plays or worse. Donald is playing by a different set of rules especially regarding hitting the QB.
He would have easily adapted...
And LT, even for his time period, was a pretty clean player who was text book on tackling.
I think one of if not the GOAT of defensive coordinators and head coaches says LT is the greatest then it's good enough for me. LT changed the game, Donald is awesome but he didn't have the affect that LT had
that will countenance any defender being compared to LT. Donald is great though. Easily a top-5 all time defender. He deserves a lot of credit.
Donald is great, but personally I've seen better defensive players in my lifetime: LT, White, Lott, Reed, and Woodson. And maybe even Sanders and Darrell Greene.
I never saw Deacon Jones, Blount, Butkus, Greene, Lambert, Page, Olson, etc.
that will countenance any defender being compared to LT. Donald is great though. Easily a top-5 all time defender. He deserves a lot of credit.
No he is not a top 5 defender all time. He is outstanding, yes. Top 10, close
LT, Joe Green, Bruce Smith, Ray Lewis, Reggie White, Deacon Jones....
I saw all of those guys though just very little of Deacon Jones (though many highlights) Donald is in the conversation. Plus Donald plays a much tougher position in which to accumulate sacks, and he plays in an era where the players are much bigger, stronger and faster.
I think Aikman said something like that. As a Giants fan who saw every game Taylor played, I don’t think anyone comes close to LT. The only question I have is that by today’s rules, LT would,be penalized for lots of plays or worse. Donald is playing by a different set of rules especially regarding hitting the QB.
True there are different set of rules about hitting QBs there’s also about twice as much passing. It’s unclear how that might affect his ability to sack the QB.
but it is also a different time. Imagine LT playing in these passing times with these OL's?
Bill Walsh made left tackle a high priority after dealing with LT his rookie year. This led to every team making left tackle a high priority. Every team was then looking for the next LT after the '81 season. On top of it Joe Gibbs had to start sleeping in his office even more and ultimately he came up with another plan to stop LT. All that effort and LT was still LT.
Or you can listen to the poster who mentioned BB or Angel eyes and his thoughts.
Aaron Donald has been excellent since he walked onto
who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
I don’t see coaches creating a new position on offense
He is a great player but to me is not better then LT, White or even Smith. The current shinny new thing always comes off better at the moment but lets be real. I know that Madden, Parcells, Gibbs, BB and others have said LT is the best defensive player they have ever seen and some will say the best player they have ever seen.
who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
You're in your 30's right and your exposure to LT was through videos or word of mouth?
For people who lived it, saying Donald is better than LT is outrageous. And it's not a slight or insult to Donald.
who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
Look, great player. He is not even the best DT/DL of all time.
He is a great player but to me is not better then LT, White or even Smith. The current shinny new thing always comes off better at the moment but lets be real. I know that Madden, Parcells, Gibbs, BB and others have said LT is the best defensive player they have ever seen and some will say the best player they have ever seen.
Overrated ?? Seriously?? He isn’t better than LT not even close but to call him overrated is just asinine
who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
You're in your 30's right and your exposure to LT was through videos or word of mouth?
For people who lived it, saying Donald is better than LT is outrageous. And it's not a slight or insult to Donald.
who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
Look, great player. He is not even the best DT/DL of all time.
Yea he is. You sound like you don't watch football. He dominates a very difficult era to dominate. He has the most sacks over the last decade. And he plays DT.
who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
Look, great player. He is not even the best DT/DL of all time.
Yea he is. You sound like you don't watch football. He dominates a very difficult era to dominate. He has the most sacks over the last decade. And he plays DT.
He is not better than Joe Greene, Deacon Jones, Reggie White and maybe Bob Lilly and Merlin Olsen, to name a few.
Page, Olsen, or Greene. He’s great and among them as part of that elite group but those guys were awesome as well. It’s just so many years ago since they played their dominance diminishes in people’s minds
When the average OL was 255 pounds, he would be viewed as the greatest player of all time.
I'm not sure I get this? Another transport in the time machine? LOL
If he played in the era when everyone was 255 lbs, Donald would still be great because everything would still be relative including the training/technique/etc. But that wouldn't automatically make him the best.
If he retired 10 years ago, nobody would know.
If he retired 10 years ago, nobody would know.
This. How's his daughter's softball team?
No he is not a top 5 defender all time. He is outstanding, yes. Top 10, close
LT, Joe Green, Bruce Smith, Ray Lewis, Reggie White, Deacon Jones....
He would have easily adapted...
I just remember a George Young quote about LT. "You could take someone who knew nothing about football, watch the Giants defense for 5 minutes and they'd immediately know Taylor was the best player on the field" (paraphrasing).
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I think Aikman said something like that. As a Giants fan who saw every game Taylor played, I don’t think anyone comes close to LT. The only question I have is that by today’s rules, LT would,be penalized for lots of plays or worse. Donald is playing by a different set of rules especially regarding hitting the QB.
He would have easily adapted...
And LT, even for his time period, was a pretty clean player who was text book on tackling.
Ummm, no there’s not. It’s a discussion for some but by no means is there an actual argument comparing LT to any defender ever.
He’s on another level entirely and I think the only argument would be for the guys rated below him. Personally I’d put Donald just outside the top 5.
Donald is great, but personally I've seen better defensive players in my lifetime: LT, White, Lott, Reed, and Woodson. And maybe even Sanders and Darrell Greene.
I never saw Deacon Jones, Blount, Butkus, Greene, Lambert, Page, Olson, etc.
'nuff said
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that will countenance any defender being compared to LT. Donald is great though. Easily a top-5 all time defender. He deserves a lot of credit.
No he is not a top 5 defender all time. He is outstanding, yes. Top 10, close
LT, Joe Green, Bruce Smith, Ray Lewis, Reggie White, Deacon Jones....
I saw all of those guys though just very little of Deacon Jones (though many highlights) Donald is in the conversation. Plus Donald plays a much tougher position in which to accumulate sacks, and he plays in an era where the players are much bigger, stronger and faster.
It's all prime with Donald. Another reason he is so much better than Watt.
Probably right. And White spent his first two years in the USFL, which impacted his totals.
It's sad Jerome Brown died because he was another DT monster. Only 27 and right in the thick of his prime.
And LT, even for his time period, was a pretty clean player who was text book on tackling.
Tackling in the field of play, yes. But some of his sacks/QB hits (ie, late hits by today's standards) were not.
And I'm not so sure he would adapt well...
True there are different set of rules about hitting QBs there’s also about twice as much passing. It’s unclear how that might affect his ability to sack the QB.
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
Bill Walsh made left tackle a high priority after dealing with LT his rookie year. This led to every team making left tackle a high priority. Every team was then looking for the next LT after the '81 season. On top of it Joe Gibbs had to start sleeping in his office even more and ultimately he came up with another plan to stop LT. All that effort and LT was still LT.
Or you can listen to the poster who mentioned BB or Angel eyes and his thoughts.
And LT was still better...
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
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who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
You're in your 30's right and your exposure to LT was through videos or word of mouth?
For people who lived it, saying Donald is better than LT is outrageous. And it's not a slight or insult to Donald.
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who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
Look, great player. He is not even the best DT/DL of all time.
Overrated ?? Seriously?? He isn’t better than LT not even close but to call him overrated is just asinine
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who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
You're in your 30's right and your exposure to LT was through videos or word of mouth?
For people who lived it, saying Donald is better than LT is outrageous. And it's not a slight or insult to Donald.
No I'm 57 and have watched NFL since 1973.
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who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
Look, great player. He is not even the best DT/DL of all time.
Yea he is. You sound like you don't watch football. He dominates a very difficult era to dominate. He has the most sacks over the last decade. And he plays DT.
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who at one time had a relevant opinion feel the need to say something outrageous to see their names once again "in lights".
it's like almost any time Peter Gammons offers an opinion on anything the past decade.
It's not outrageous. Donald is fucking phenomenal. I think LT is greater. But eventually I think Donald will be remembered as #2 when he retires. It's an incredible weapon to have that much pressure from one guy in the middle. If the Giants had him 07 to 11 we would have won one or two more Super Bowls.
Look, great player. He is not even the best DT/DL of all time.
Yea he is. You sound like you don't watch football. He dominates a very difficult era to dominate. He has the most sacks over the last decade. And he plays DT.
He is not better than Joe Greene, Deacon Jones, Reggie White and maybe Bob Lilly and Merlin Olsen, to name a few.
He is excellent, not the best.
You can only judge athletes based on how they dominate when they played, it’s pointless and irrelevant to guess what someone might have done.
I'm not sure I get this? Another transport in the time machine? LOL
If he played in the era when everyone was 255 lbs, Donald would still be great because everything would still be relative including the training/technique/etc. But that wouldn't automatically make him the best.
LT was just different in the way he played. Even the chop on QBs....that never was a thing until LT.
I don't sense that with Donald, but again, that has to do with the positions they play.