But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
I'm in your boat but much like you not the player but the resource allocation. But most of that involves the high draft pick and length of contract. I'd be fine franchising him the next two years if his health is pristine, we have the cap space.
But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
I'm in your boat but much like you not the player but the resource allocation. But most of that involves the high draft pick and length of contract. I'd be fine franchising him the next two years if his health is pristine, we have the cap space.
Agree. The draft already happened and just about everyone acknowledges it was a mistake. But, I’m not just going to give him away. If a team wants to offer a first for him, I absolutely consider. But I’m in no way of the camp to just sell him off for a 2nd or 3rd just because he’s a RB.
The tag is a fine option right now.
Yeah that also is to say I don't expect his health
to hold up. So it may be moot. But we may get a whole season too, maybe even two.
But I'm fine with 1 year commitments to him because we are 3-1 because of him right now. Those bootlegs aren't as effective if Saquon isn't being a terror this year. And he has had so many momentum changing runs.
first four games, and that is coming from a big Saquon critic, so I'm happy to eat some crow on this one. I agree he looks like a different back so far - much less hesitation before he hits the hole - and he's falling forward with the pile much more than we're used to seeing from him.
the caveat being (which I'm sure we're all wondering about) - let's see him stay healthy for a full season with this kind of workload/style of offense.
the second caveat being - if he does stay healthy, he would have tremendous trade value for Super Bowl contending team later in the season. it would be negligence not to listen to what teams have to offer.
first four games, and that is coming from a big Saquon critic, so I'm happy to eat some crow on this one. I agree he looks like a different back so far - much less hesitation before he hits the hole - and he's falling forward with the pile much more than we're used to seeing from him.
the caveat being (which I'm sure we're all wondering about) - let's see him stay healthy for a full season with this kind of workload/style of offense.
the second caveat being - if he does stay healthy, he would have tremendous trade value for Super Bowl contending team later in the season. it would be negligence not to listen to what teams have to offer.
Why would you need to eat crow? If you have been suggesting in the past that Saquon was not playing the position correctly and needed to get better at being a running back for this type of production to take place and now he has changed as you say, then that means you were right. Therefore no need to eat crow.
The thing I like best about this season's version of #26 is that he
Why would you need to eat crow? If you have been suggesting in the past that Saquon was not playing the position correctly and needed to get better at being a running back for this type of production to take place and now he has changed as you say, then that means you were right. Therefore no need to eat crow.
fair point. to be honest, I wasn't sure if he was capable of changing the way he played in terms of his vision/patience/instincts because the "all or nothing" style was something he's been using his whole career.
But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
Time to go to school a bit my friend.
Watch and learn.
so much balance and power on their way down from the air like Barkley. More than anything from his PSU tapes, that's what stood out to me the most. He just has rare balance.
That screen pass wasn't exactly a hurdle, but the way he came down from the air after that awkward tackle attempt and immediately was in position to explode and cut was something most RBs can't dream of doing.
RE: RE: RE: I have been as hard as anybody of Barkley
But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
Time to go to school a bit my friend.
Watch and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZfHHEpb21w
That video really highlights how special Barkley was in 2018. The OL was porous and Barkley still had an amazing year even with some of his poor choices that lead to some untimely losses in the backfield.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I have been as hard as anybody of Barkley
But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
Time to go to school a bit my friend.
Watch and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZfHHEpb21w
That video really highlights how special Barkley was in 2018. The OL was porous and Barkley still had an amazing year even with some of his poor choices that lead to some untimely losses in the backfield.
The video shows how he danced and got away with it in his rookie year. He clearly shows how Barkley consistently went for the "wrong" hole looking for the home run. It also highlights how boom or bust he was. When you apply analytics to rushing, boom or bust is a losing strategy. The analytics show it is better to get more modest but still successful gains consistently.
I think DCs got smart and took that back side stuff away from Barkley after 2018. Then there was only bust, no boom. Now he is going where the play is designed. He is running up hard, and making his cuts IN THE HOLE, not in the backfield. That is the big difference I see.
Now, the Giants need to have WRs when they sell out to stop Barkley.
Yes. I would reject a 2nd rounder for him if offered.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
I'm in your boat but much like you not the player but the resource allocation. But most of that involves the high draft pick and length of contract. I'd be fine franchising him the next two years if his health is pristine, we have the cap space.
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But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
I'm in your boat but much like you not the player but the resource allocation. But most of that involves the high draft pick and length of contract. I'd be fine franchising him the next two years if his health is pristine, we have the cap space.
Agree. The draft already happened and just about everyone acknowledges it was a mistake. But, I’m not just going to give him away. If a team wants to offer a first for him, I absolutely consider. But I’m in no way of the camp to just sell him off for a 2nd or 3rd just because he’s a RB.
The tag is a fine option right now.
But I'm fine with 1 year commitments to him because we are 3-1 because of him right now. Those bootlegs aren't as effective if Saquon isn't being a terror this year. And he has had so many momentum changing runs.
the caveat being (which I'm sure we're all wondering about) - let's see him stay healthy for a full season with this kind of workload/style of offense.
the second caveat being - if he does stay healthy, he would have tremendous trade value for Super Bowl contending team later in the season. it would be negligence not to listen to what teams have to offer.
the caveat being (which I'm sure we're all wondering about) - let's see him stay healthy for a full season with this kind of workload/style of offense.
the second caveat being - if he does stay healthy, he would have tremendous trade value for Super Bowl contending team later in the season. it would be negligence not to listen to what teams have to offer.
Why would you need to eat crow? If you have been suggesting in the past that Saquon was not playing the position correctly and needed to get better at being a running back for this type of production to take place and now he has changed as you say, then that means you were right. Therefore no need to eat crow.
You can catch him in the backfield but not tackle him ;)
fair point. to be honest, I wasn't sure if he was capable of changing the way he played in terms of his vision/patience/instincts because the "all or nothing" style was something he's been using his whole career.
happy to be wrong about that part!
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
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But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
Time to go to school a bit my friend.
Watch and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZfHHEpb21w
That screen pass wasn't exactly a hurdle, but the way he came down from the air after that awkward tackle attempt and immediately was in position to explode and cut was something most RBs can't dream of doing.
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But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
Time to go to school a bit my friend.
Watch and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZfHHEpb21w
That video really highlights how special Barkley was in 2018. The OL was porous and Barkley still had an amazing year even with some of his poor choices that lead to some untimely losses in the backfield.
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In comment 15845424 .McL. said:
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But he is playing very differently this year. He is running hard, not dancing, taking what's there, lowing his shoulder, and still producing the breakout plays. All good stuff. He still can't pass block to save his life, but he has been awesome with the ball in his hands. It is good to see, and I am rooting for him to continue.
That said, it still doesn't change my opinion of spending resources on RBs.
This is nonsense. What you call "dancing" was Barkley being met in the backfield and having to make a move before getting back to the line of scrimmage. What you call not "running hard" was a guy who injured and his body was diminished.
Do you really think the difference this year is he stopped dancing and decided to run hard?
BTW, the top five picks the year we took Barkley were Mayfield, SQ, Darnold, Denzel Ward and Bradley Chubb. Yes there were other good players that year. But none of them (except Josh Allen, the third QB picked) affects the W/L column like Barkley.
Time to go to school a bit my friend.
Watch and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZfHHEpb21w
That video really highlights how special Barkley was in 2018. The OL was porous and Barkley still had an amazing year even with some of his poor choices that lead to some untimely losses in the backfield.
The video shows how he danced and got away with it in his rookie year. He clearly shows how Barkley consistently went for the "wrong" hole looking for the home run. It also highlights how boom or bust he was. When you apply analytics to rushing, boom or bust is a losing strategy. The analytics show it is better to get more modest but still successful gains consistently.
I think DCs got smart and took that back side stuff away from Barkley after 2018. Then there was only bust, no boom. Now he is going where the play is designed. He is running up hard, and making his cuts IN THE HOLE, not in the backfield. That is the big difference I see.