What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
We didn't sign him to trade him! Bring him back.
On a more serious note, the #1 reason to bring in a legit WR this season is that it lets the team properly evaluate Jones. Assuming OBJ can pass the physical, Im all for it.
He'd probably tear his ACL again on the Met Life turf
today during his press conference, Daboll was pressed by the reporters for adding new players at WR. Twice Daboll said they would use their Practice Squaders first.
Which is expected. They’re not going to sign Odell; there’s no money to anyway and this team, as it’s currently constructed, likely isn’t what he wants. That’s why there are rumors about him talking with Green Bay. He wants to fall into the right situation or, at least elevate the right one where he sees a vacuum.
Still fun to think about though.
So, what are you guys suggesting exactly? Beckham just stopped in for coffee?
I'm not saying he ends up here, but it seems like an odd take to say that there is no interest from either side.
be proven dead wrong about this, but this reeks of Odell using the Giants as leverage vis a vis the Rams.
You’re dead on balls accurate. If not the Rams then, it will be a team with a playoff aspirations.
...and the Giants are blissfully unaaware, getting hosed by Beckham?
I'm not saying I want Beckham, but I feel like you and Eric are so opposed to it that you are building a narrative to convince yourselves that it can't happen.
And I’m talking about now, even with him rehabbing.
He’d get 20 targets a game here once he returns, even if he’s 70% of the player he was.
The current WR talent is JV level, so if his goal is to get stats, he’d do that here.
The question is how badly does he want to win another ring.
When did Giants fans lose their minds?
I've seen this all over social media.
A rehabbing Beckham is not better than any current Giants receiver who can actually put on a uniform on game day. To say otherwise is moronic. If you can't play, you're not better than someone else.
What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
Man Eric you really have been on edge lately. All the time I have been on this website I can’t remember you insulting people so much. I could be wrong but I am sure he was exaggerating.
It would be a dream scenario, IMO, but it's highly unlikely to say the
and that was before his latest injury. Don't think it makes much sense for him or us.
Um, evidence of this claim? People really don't understand how friggin'good OBJ was with the Rams last season all the way to the Super Bowl, which he scored in.
the evidence is that he averaged 96 catches and 14 ypc his first 3 seasons. Last year he had 44 catches at 11 ypc. Still a good player. It's a tribute to him that he can lose half a step (or more) and still be a good player. If we were a contender with cap space I'd say sign him. If he could do what he did 2014-2016 I'd say sign him. But neither is true IMO.
Completely intellectually dishonest. His time with the Browns was irrelevant except for the fact that he highlighted how much Baker Mayfield sucks at football. The man was getting open. Goes to L.A., takes a week to learn the playbook, and then balls out with a competent QB throwing him the ball down the stretch and through the playoffs. I saw it, he was excellent. He was about as uncoverable as ever.
Great points, except you left out the point that he blew his knee up in January again....small detail that you may want to include there.
And I’m talking about now, even with him rehabbing.
He’d get 20 targets a game here once he returns, even if he’s 70% of the player he was.
The current WR talent is JV level, so if his goal is to get stats, he’d do that here.
The question is how badly does he want to win another ring.
When did Giants fans lose their minds?
I've seen this all over social media.
A rehabbing Beckham is not better than any current Giants receiver who can actually put on a uniform on game day. To say otherwise is moronic. If you can't play, you're not better than someone else.
What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
Man Eric you really have been on edge lately. All the time I have been on this website I can’t remember you insulting people so much. I could be wrong but I am sure he was exaggerating.
It’s most of the site. For some reason differing opinions gets you name calling and insults here.
Like even if the guy wasn’t exaggerating, no need for that response.
He tore his ACL in the Superbowl. It's going to be a stretch for him to play this year. Maybe he's pretty far into rehad in a few weeks.
OBJ isn't coming here. He's not working for the league minimum. The Giants have 2 very tough games coming up. They aren't playing the Bears and the roster is banged up r/n..
Let's see how the Giants do the next 4 games. They beat 2 bad teams, 1 good team the first 4.
The smart play for him is to heal up, then sign with a playoff contender for the final few months, and do exactly what he did last season - try to win another ring, and hopefully not rip his knee up again. Then explore free agency for his next big contract. Even if we had the money to afford him, him signing here would be idiotic for him.
There are plenty of financial reasons for him to sign with he Giants. Plus, Schoen, Daboll and the players while not mortgaging the future for short term gain, understand unlike many here that at the moment the Giants are in playoff contention.
Also unlike many here they understand the value of pursuing that goal. It s the NFL, for these players the next game is for he most important one.
today during his press conference, Daboll was pressed by the reporters for adding new players at WR. Twice Daboll said they would use their Practice Squaders first.
This is actually ideal in building on the culture he has started good practice game production is rewarded under him “clout” salary does not matter to him. Gotta earn it not saying OBJ production does not stand on its own barring injuries but that is a factor he’d have to prove that part 1st and learn the system etc ….. him being signed and pushed to the front of the line will affect that negatively….it’s like passing people for promotions and hiring from the outside
The insults are out of incredible frustration that after all of these years, Giants fans are STILL living in denial.
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
Arcarsenal/Eric2425ny: Awful though Baker Mayfield may be…
… I think it was a high throw from Eli Manning that started Beckham’s injury woes and rapid decline. Dirty hit was the proximate cause, but Eli exposed Beckham this way pretty frequently. When Eli missed, he usually missed high. Beckham injures ankle in preseason at Cleveland, August 2017. - ( New Window )
The insults are out of incredible frustration that after all of these years, Giants fans are STILL living in denial.
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
be proven dead wrong about this, but this reeks of Odell using the Giants as leverage vis a vis the Rams.
Eric, honest question - do we have enough available money for anyone to use us as leverage?
I imagine there was a lot of goodwill with the Rams. Might be as simple as just being interested in where his longest-served team is now after all the changes?
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
The insults are out of incredible frustration that after all of these years, Giants fans are STILL living in denial.
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
Eric -- is there a dilemma for the Giants in light of what you are saying. On the one hand, there's a massive talent void; on the other hand, this team will somehow some way get to around the .500 mark due to an easy schedule and good coaching.
Bottom line: For a team with so many needs and which will be parting ways with several players, wouldn't it be nice to be drafting in the Top 5 rather than 15? Or do you fall on the side of: It's much better to establish some semblance of a winning culture and damn the draft position?
The occasional Madden-cover catches were both a bonus and a bit of a distraction. We probably appreciate the small stuff more now that we have nothing at WR: e.g. his elusiveness off the line of scrimmage against press coverage, his precise cuts at full speed, his ability to adjust to the ball without breaking stride, then make the first man miss and run away from DBs, etc.
Nobody expects him to ever be that guy again, even when the knee is fully healed. And nobody knows how much he has left, including Beckham himself.
Let’s see how Toney, Robinson, and even Golladay come along, and what the Practice Squad guys can do. Diligence on street free agents like Beckham is just one piece of a challenging WR puzzle with no obvious solutions.
My view is clear and consistent. It also appears thus far to be on the same page as Schoen and Daboll.
Clear the cap situation. Don't make it worse in future years right now. Try accumulate picks and not give them away. Re-build the roster through the draft.
The insults are out of incredible frustration that after all of these years, Giants fans are STILL living in denial.
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
I d be surprised if anyone believes this team is a Super Bowl Contender.
I remember a WR who bad-mouthed his QB right after signing a new big deal with the Giants. I remember a receiver letting it be known he wanted out of New York and wanted to play in California to help his acting career. I remember a receiver who was increasingly seeming to be more interested in pre-game show-off antics, doing embarrassing things on the playing field, and starting to get hurt.
I still think Giants fans have have 2014-2016 imprinted in their memories. That was an eternity ago.
A bunch of fans seem to be calling for him to be re-signed based on that memory. Nothing else explains the passionate calls to re-sign a player who tore his ACL eight months ago. The guy can't even pass a physical right now.
My view is clear and consistent. It also appears thus far to be on the same page as Schoen and Daboll.
Clear the cap situation. Don't make it worse in future years right now. Try accumulate picks and not give them away. Re-build the roster through the draft.
You won't hear me take another position all year.
Fair enough.
It also almost sounds like you may be somewhat indifferent to the Giants 2023 draft position. Or is that putting words in your mouth?
The insults are out of incredible frustration that after all of these years, Giants fans are STILL living in denial.
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
And that’s perfectly fine for you to feel that way.
But that doesn’t necessitate being insulting to fellow posters.
today during his press conference, Daboll was pressed by the reporters for adding new players at WR. Twice Daboll said they would use their Practice Squaders first.
Because Odell won't be ready until late November anyway...
However, it gets so tiresome to read the "so-and-so is horrible and we need to get rid of him" without realization of the current status of the roster.
What do I mean? I GUARANTEE you that if the Giants were 1-3 right now, a not so insignificant number of BBIers would be calling for the heads of Daboll, Kafka, and Martindale. Then it would be Schoen. I guarantee it. So, if the Giants are 4-4 in a few weeks, fans who had irrational dreams of a playoff run are going to start calling for a new regime.
It's the utter lack of recognition about how bad this team still is. I keep repeating myself, but much if not most of this offense won't even be here next year. So in a way, we're still in the prelude to the rebuild, especially if you want the QB gone.
the fact that some fans are even thinking about having Beckham back on the team is an absurdity.
We finally have a nice rebuild in order with a good staff and competent GM - hey - you know what I think this roster needs? Odell Beckham! No fucking thanks.
Stick with the roster now and take more receivers in the 2023 draft. Robinson will be back in a few weeks and who knows with Toney but he might play a few games. But who cares honestly. Just keep going with what we have. We are playing with house money right now at 3-1.
I remember a WR who bad-mouthed his QB right after signing a new big deal with the Giants. I remember a receiver letting it be known he wanted out of New York and wanted to play in California to help his acting career. I remember a receiver who was increasingly seeming to be more interested in pre-game show-off antics, doing embarrassing things on the playing field, and starting to get hurt.
I still think Giants fans have have 2014-2016 imprinted in their memories. That was an eternity ago.
A bunch of fans seem to be calling for him to be re-signed based on that memory. Nothing else explains the passionate calls to re-sign a player who tore his ACL eight months ago. The guy can't even pass a physical right now.
So 2016 was an eternity ago but bad mouthing Eli wasn't an eternity ago?
So some fans remember the good things, you remember the bad things, they both were long ago...
Last time I checked he looked pretty good helping the Rams win a superbowl. Not so sure they do that playoff run without Odell tbh.
If he comes back healthy is he or is he not better than Golladay, Sills and Richie James??? Come on
Beyond that, Beckham doesn't make sense for who and what the Giants are right now. They would be better off stealing guys off of Practice Squads and trying them out as possible #3 or #4 receivers on a 2023 roster.
Beckham? At best, you'd be hiring a guy coming off an ACL for what, possibly four games?
And even in fantasy, nobody has stashed Odell on their roster.
We are trying to build something here which includes team unity. Odell is not going to help with that. He brings the circus to town.
If we were in the mix to be a contender and we were one weapon away, then you consider a one year deal. However this team is far from accomplishing anything and adding Odell is pointless and counterproductive.
that the FO would even let him in the building. At the very least their time and resources could have been spent thinking about an improvement over the free medium pepsi promotion.
The man is a disrupter, soon as he feels DJ hasn't thrown him the ball enough he will destroy the camaraderie in that locker room.
Did he do that in LA while Kupp was showered with targets? He was seeing about 5-6 looks a game.
2015/16 was a while ago. I don't think he's really the same person and the circumstances are so different now.
Like I said from the start, I'd say the odds here are highly, highly unlikely. But, if there was a way to make it work from a cap standpoint, I'd do it.
He can't play right now, but the WR group needs so much help and not everything can come through drafts.
If we had a healthy QB, and a line that could pass block, then looking at OBJ would make some sort of sense.
But we don't have either. Why get an OBJ when the starting QB does not have time to take advantage of his route running (presuming OBJ comes back 100%...and none of us know if he'll even be close to that!).
At this point, I'd go with two TE's and two RB's, one WR, and run a power offense, since we only have one WR on this roster that's contributing (James).
I completely agree with the we are in a full rebuild mode
I’m all for trading Barkley with his renewed value. He’s a FA and we aren’t going anywhere in the next year. We may have a rookie QB next year and decent RBs are easy to find in later rounds. I’d be for trading other vet talent we have. Keep our good OL and defenders. We build from the Ol and Dl out…
You’re dead on balls accurate. If not the Rams then, it will be a team with a playoff aspirations.
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What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
We didn't sign him to trade him! Bring him back.
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What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
We didn't sign him to trade him! Bring him back.
On a more serious note, the #1 reason to bring in a legit WR this season is that it lets the team properly evaluate Jones. Assuming OBJ can pass the physical, Im all for it.
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and that was before his latest injury. Don't think it makes much sense for him or us.
He had 5 TD’s for the Rams last year. Your argument about him not being the player he once was before his injury in the Super Bowl doesn’t hold water.
Adding to this, have you seen our WRs? Even coming off of this injury, he’s still better than what we have right now.
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today during his press conference, Daboll was pressed by the reporters for adding new players at WR. Twice Daboll said they would use their Practice Squaders first.
Which is expected. They’re not going to sign Odell; there’s no money to anyway and this team, as it’s currently constructed, likely isn’t what he wants. That’s why there are rumors about him talking with Green Bay. He wants to fall into the right situation or, at least elevate the right one where he sees a vacuum.
Still fun to think about though.
So, what are you guys suggesting exactly? Beckham just stopped in for coffee?
I'm not saying he ends up here, but it seems like an odd take to say that there is no interest from either side.
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be proven dead wrong about this, but this reeks of Odell using the Giants as leverage vis a vis the Rams.
You’re dead on balls accurate. If not the Rams then, it will be a team with a playoff aspirations.
...and the Giants are blissfully unaaware, getting hosed by Beckham?
I'm not saying I want Beckham, but I feel like you and Eric are so opposed to it that you are building a narrative to convince yourselves that it can't happen.
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And I’m talking about now, even with him rehabbing.
He’d get 20 targets a game here once he returns, even if he’s 70% of the player he was.
The current WR talent is JV level, so if his goal is to get stats, he’d do that here.
The question is how badly does he want to win another ring.
When did Giants fans lose their minds?
I've seen this all over social media.
A rehabbing Beckham is not better than any current Giants receiver who can actually put on a uniform on game day. To say otherwise is moronic. If you can't play, you're not better than someone else.
What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
Man Eric you really have been on edge lately. All the time I have been on this website I can’t remember you insulting people so much. I could be wrong but I am sure he was exaggerating.
People also keep forgetting we have have no $$$ to spend this year
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and that was before his latest injury. Don't think it makes much sense for him or us.
Um, evidence of this claim? People really don't understand how friggin'good OBJ was with the Rams last season all the way to the Super Bowl, which he scored in.
the evidence is that he averaged 96 catches and 14 ypc his first 3 seasons. Last year he had 44 catches at 11 ypc. Still a good player. It's a tribute to him that he can lose half a step (or more) and still be a good player. If we were a contender with cap space I'd say sign him. If he could do what he did 2014-2016 I'd say sign him. But neither is true IMO.
Completely intellectually dishonest. His time with the Browns was irrelevant except for the fact that he highlighted how much Baker Mayfield sucks at football. The man was getting open. Goes to L.A., takes a week to learn the playbook, and then balls out with a competent QB throwing him the ball down the stretch and through the playoffs. I saw it, he was excellent. He was about as uncoverable as ever.
Great points, except you left out the point that he blew his knee up in January again....small detail that you may want to include there.
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And I’m talking about now, even with him rehabbing.
He’d get 20 targets a game here once he returns, even if he’s 70% of the player he was.
The current WR talent is JV level, so if his goal is to get stats, he’d do that here.
The question is how badly does he want to win another ring.
When did Giants fans lose their minds?
I've seen this all over social media.
A rehabbing Beckham is not better than any current Giants receiver who can actually put on a uniform on game day. To say otherwise is moronic. If you can't play, you're not better than someone else.
What's the deal with Giants fans wanting old players to return from an era when the team sucked? Nostalgia for losing?
Man Eric you really have been on edge lately. All the time I have been on this website I can’t remember you insulting people so much. I could be wrong but I am sure he was exaggerating.
It’s most of the site. For some reason differing opinions gets you name calling and insults here.
Like even if the guy wasn’t exaggerating, no need for that response.
no wide receivers.
Half an OBJ is better than what we've got.
We've got nothing.
He is not helping this team.
no wide receivers.
Half an OBJ is better than what we've got.
We've got nothing.
Nothing plus nothing is...well...nothing.
OBJ isn't coming here. He's not working for the league minimum. The Giants have 2 very tough games coming up. They aren't playing the Bears and the roster is banged up r/n..
Let's see how the Giants do the next 4 games. They beat 2 bad teams, 1 good team the first 4.
The smart play for him is to heal up, then sign with a playoff contender for the final few months, and do exactly what he did last season - try to win another ring, and hopefully not rip his knee up again. Then explore free agency for his next big contract. Even if we had the money to afford him, him signing here would be idiotic for him.
There are plenty of financial reasons for him to sign with he Giants. Plus, Schoen, Daboll and the players while not mortgaging the future for short term gain, understand unlike many here that at the moment the Giants are in playoff contention.
Also unlike many here they understand the value of pursuing that goal. It s the NFL, for these players the next game is for he most important one.
This is actually ideal in building on the culture he has started good practice game production is rewarded under him “clout” salary does not matter to him. Gotta earn it not saying OBJ production does not stand on its own barring injuries but that is a factor he’d have to prove that part 1st and learn the system etc ….. him being signed and pushed to the front of the line will affect that negatively….it’s like passing people for promotions and hiring from the outside
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
Beckham injures ankle in preseason at Cleveland, August 2017. - ( New Window )
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
Yep
Eric, honest question - do we have enough available money for anyone to use us as leverage?
I imagine there was a lot of goodwill with the Rams. Might be as simple as just being interested in where his longest-served team is now after all the changes?
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no wide receivers.
Half an OBJ is better than what we've got.
We've got nothing.
Nothing plus nothing is...well...nothing.
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Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
You gotta have somethin' if you wanna be with me
Billy Preston - Nothing From Nothing (1974) - ( New Window )
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
Eric -- is there a dilemma for the Giants in light of what you are saying. On the one hand, there's a massive talent void; on the other hand, this team will somehow some way get to around the .500 mark due to an easy schedule and good coaching.
Bottom line: For a team with so many needs and which will be parting ways with several players, wouldn't it be nice to be drafting in the Top 5 rather than 15? Or do you fall on the side of: It's much better to establish some semblance of a winning culture and damn the draft position?
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Nobody expects him to ever be that guy again, even when the knee is fully healed. And nobody knows how much he has left, including Beckham himself.
Let’s see how Toney, Robinson, and even Golladay come along, and what the Practice Squad guys can do. Diligence on street free agents like Beckham is just one piece of a challenging WR puzzle with no obvious solutions.
Clear the cap situation. Don't make it worse in future years right now. Try accumulate picks and not give them away. Re-build the roster through the draft.
You won't hear me take another position all year.
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
I d be surprised if anyone believes this team is a Super Bowl Contender.
I remember a WR who bad-mouthed his QB right after signing a new big deal with the Giants. I remember a receiver letting it be known he wanted out of New York and wanted to play in California to help his acting career. I remember a receiver who was increasingly seeming to be more interested in pre-game show-off antics, doing embarrassing things on the playing field, and starting to get hurt.
I still think Giants fans have have 2014-2016 imprinted in their memories. That was an eternity ago.
A bunch of fans seem to be calling for him to be re-signed based on that memory. Nothing else explains the passionate calls to re-sign a player who tore his ACL eight months ago. The guy can't even pass a physical right now.
Clear the cap situation. Don't make it worse in future years right now. Try accumulate picks and not give them away. Re-build the roster through the draft.
You won't hear me take another position all year.
Fair enough.
It also almost sounds like you may be somewhat indifferent to the Giants 2023 draft position. Or is that putting words in your mouth?
It's like they read the words, but they don't fully comprehend the meaning.
THIS TEAM IS REBUILDING.
FROM THE START AGAIN.
This team is not competing for a Super Bowl. It's not a team even capable of some miracle run. We're not the 1984 or 1985 Giants before 1986. We're not the 1989 Giants before 1990. Etc.
We're 3-1 because we've played two bad teams and have a good coaching staff. And even despite that, we've barely squeaked by in each game.
Much of the offense may not even be here next year and that includes the QB, RB, all but one of the WRs, and all but one of the TEs.
So it's embarrassing for the entire fan base to see huge chunks of it believing we are one player away.
And that’s perfectly fine for you to feel that way.
But that doesn’t necessitate being insulting to fellow posters.
Because Odell won't be ready until late November anyway...
However, it gets so tiresome to read the "so-and-so is horrible and we need to get rid of him" without realization of the current status of the roster.
What do I mean? I GUARANTEE you that if the Giants were 1-3 right now, a not so insignificant number of BBIers would be calling for the heads of Daboll, Kafka, and Martindale. Then it would be Schoen. I guarantee it. So, if the Giants are 4-4 in a few weeks, fans who had irrational dreams of a playoff run are going to start calling for a new regime.
It's the utter lack of recognition about how bad this team still is. I keep repeating myself, but much if not most of this offense won't even be here next year. So in a way, we're still in the prelude to the rebuild, especially if you want the QB gone.
We finally have a nice rebuild in order with a good staff and competent GM - hey - you know what I think this roster needs? Odell Beckham! No fucking thanks.
Stick with the roster now and take more receivers in the 2023 draft. Robinson will be back in a few weeks and who knows with Toney but he might play a few games. But who cares honestly. Just keep going with what we have. We are playing with house money right now at 3-1.
I remember a WR who bad-mouthed his QB right after signing a new big deal with the Giants. I remember a receiver letting it be known he wanted out of New York and wanted to play in California to help his acting career. I remember a receiver who was increasingly seeming to be more interested in pre-game show-off antics, doing embarrassing things on the playing field, and starting to get hurt.
I still think Giants fans have have 2014-2016 imprinted in their memories. That was an eternity ago.
A bunch of fans seem to be calling for him to be re-signed based on that memory. Nothing else explains the passionate calls to re-sign a player who tore his ACL eight months ago. The guy can't even pass a physical right now.
So 2016 was an eternity ago but bad mouthing Eli wasn't an eternity ago?
So some fans remember the good things, you remember the bad things, they both were long ago...
Last time I checked he looked pretty good helping the Rams win a superbowl. Not so sure they do that playoff run without Odell tbh.
If he comes back healthy is he or is he not better than Golladay, Sills and Richie James??? Come on
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Who doesn’t at this point? Lol.
I’d love to see it happen. They need the help and, the popcorn factor is just so choice.
Who doesn't fit the offense? Our highest paid receiver, for one. And maybe 2-3 other receivers on our roster, it seems.
Character seldom does.
Beyond that, Beckham doesn't make sense for who and what the Giants are right now. They would be better off stealing guys off of Practice Squads and trying them out as possible #3 or #4 receivers on a 2023 roster.
Beckham? At best, you'd be hiring a guy coming off an ACL for what, possibly four games?
We are trying to build something here which includes team unity. Odell is not going to help with that. He brings the circus to town.
If we were in the mix to be a contender and we were one weapon away, then you consider a one year deal. However this team is far from accomplishing anything and adding Odell is pointless and counterproductive.
Did he do that in LA while Kupp was showered with targets? He was seeing about 5-6 looks a game.
2015/16 was a while ago. I don't think he's really the same person and the circumstances are so different now.
Like I said from the start, I'd say the odds here are highly, highly unlikely. But, if there was a way to make it work from a cap standpoint, I'd do it.
He can't play right now, but the WR group needs so much help and not everything can come through drafts.
But we don't have either. Why get an OBJ when the starting QB does not have time to take advantage of his route running (presuming OBJ comes back 100%...and none of us know if he'll even be close to that!).
At this point, I'd go with two TE's and two RB's, one WR, and run a power offense, since we only have one WR on this roster that's contributing (James).