In your report you mention that Jackson played well,and you also mention Holmes got little action on his side.
It does seem that teams have identified Adoree as the weak link.Is this identification justified?
How would you rate Jackson overall?
CB is such a big part of Wink's Defensive scheme....
Chicago only has 1 NFL caliber WR (Mooney) which is still 1 more than the Giants had on Sunday and since Giants were playing a number of man schemes defensively they were able to keep Jackson on him.
I understand the frustration with KG. I think it is more than attitude here. He is most likely cooked imv unless there is some injury that they are not revealing that is having a bigger impact.
I get it, what I mean is a high effort player (with less athletic skills) will produce more than this done version of Golladay. But, I do think he lacks an interest in doing all that he can possibly do to produce.
Good write-up. Nice game plan by Daboll and company and sticking
My "Cheer" continues to go out to Andrew Thomas who is just putting up one strong performance after another. He is really coming into his own and, quite frankly, displaying a game that probably shows he could have been taken even earlier than overall #4 a few years ago. Stay healthy please!
My "Jeer" goes to the NY Giant Special Team units/coaches. Other than Gano, this group has been pretty disappointing in every single game. Blocked FGs, punts going needlessly into the end zone, fumbles on returns, running out kickoffs from the end zone, poor tackling, gunners running out of bounds for penalties. They have gotten a few fumble recoveries themselves and good thing because otherwise my grade would drop them to Awful.
They need to get it together since we play too many close games for them to be a problem each week.
The Giants can go 6-7 the rest of the way and finish 9-8. Think about that for a second.
You post that like it's an astute observation worth pondering.
What you're essentially saying is that the Giants are currently 2 games over .500, so if they go 1 game UNDER .500 the rest of the way, they'll be 1 game OVER .500 at the end of the season.
Good point from the thread here...
Not sure why but is a real weakness in our team.
Funny enough I noticed this during Judges regime...and he was a Special teams guy.
The fumbled punt could have turned this last game around.
The D rose up and prevented that from happening.
But it could easily have done so.
The new punter needs to learn how to punt out of bounds and inside the 10 yd line
He booms everything but sometimes thats now the correct play
are there any young(ish) wide receivers around the league you like on the back of anyone's roster (sort of like other team's version of slayton)? sort of like how Jax dealt Laviska?
Mims is the local one, PFF speculated on Terrace Marshall this week. Kendrick Bourne is apparently in a doghouse in NE.
any hope cole beasley runs out of elevations and doesn't get an active roster spot and moves north? i think the bucs only have 1 more activation so maybe he's the guy Dabs/Schoen are waiting on before moving on to others in the vet category?
The Giants can go 6-7 the rest of the way and finish 9-8. Think about that for a second.
I was thinking about this after the loss to Dallas.
If nothing else it would be nice to break the streak of no playoffs and all the losing. A winning record? Sign me up.
Running game and defense can get us home. NEed to get Jones healthy as his running ability only enables Barkley to do even more damage. Teams have two guys to worry about when Jones is healthy.
Weather this injury storm and slate of tougher games. Steal a game here and there and then finish off the season with a dominant running game and above average defense.
.....quite a thing.
I still believe NYG needs to focus on this being a transitional year and not do anything like give up draft picks that might weaken our position next season.
other teams know our receivers suck so they load up the box to stop Barkley and blitz Jones knowing our receivers can't get separation. Plus our o line is not good at pass blocking.
Time for power football. Multiple tights ands and running backs. Use Slayton on post routes to occupy a defensive back and hold the safety. Barkley can be split out also.
Eat up the clock, wear the opposing defense down while keeping our defense fresh.
Not sexy. But utilizes what we have best. Our weakest unit by far are our receivers, why pretend?
The Giants can go 6-7 the rest of the way and finish 9-8. Think about that for a second.
I was thinking about this after the loss to Dallas.
If nothing else it would be nice to break the streak of no playoffs and all the losing. A winning record? Sign me up.
Running game and defense can get us home. NEed to get Jones healthy as his running ability only enables Barkley to do even more damage. Teams have two guys to worry about when Jones is healthy.
Weather this injury storm and slate of tougher games. Steal a game here and there and then finish off the season with a dominant running game and above average defense.
O-Line. Neal progressing and getting some kind of improvement inside can keep them in games and overcome adversity, particularly against the remaining quality of opponents.
The day Sy'56 writes a review lauding the OL play against one of his tier 1/2 teams will be when we know this thing is ready to take flight!
Encouraging about Neal. Seems clear that he is a worker and is at minimum going to be a quality run blocker.
Think Neal will always have a few issues is pass pro. But that he puts in the work and can bounce back encouraging
AT improved towards the end of his rookie yr and is playing at all pro level now
If Neal can come close to that, offensive line will be set at OT for next few yrs ( depending on affordability)
Teams that win consistently have players that seem to find ways to impact the game even if they're not regular players.
Brightwell had a big first down run against Carolina at a crucial time and now a fumble recovery at a very opportune time against the Bears.
I don't know how good of a running back he'll ever be, but he seems to be carving out a niche for himself as a good role player that finds a way to help his team in limited snaps. Guys like this are needed just as much as stars.
Absolutely. Guys in the right place at right time or making most of limited opps always needed. U don’t have to be a star. I do think we can get something out of him at RB too
and honestly I think there are a few things here we may miss or did miss about the game this past weekend.
This team is so bare in the passing game and YET it wasn't inability to get open or to get the ball to a guy it was/were two specific drops that I think kept us from putting the Bears away sooner and who knows what that would have meant in play choice, timing etc. that led to Jones's injury.
1) Slaytons drop as mentioned was huge as it very well could have been a TD if caught it. he continues to be a guy who gets in position but doesn't finish. He is the Featherstone of our WR corps. (if you know the reference you know I am right).
2) The second one, was mentioned only in the positional breakdown section, Tanner Hudsons drop. First, the biggest issue I have with this drop is that it took away from an absolute rope, on the move and perfectly placed throw by Jones (it split two tight defenders) that hit Hudson between the numbers. That was a BIGTIME pass for Jones and it would have extended that drive and added to his passing numbers as well as force the Bears to continue to at least keep an eye on our passing attack (giving Barkley more room and chances of breaking a big run).
That is a big deal as it was a momentum killer right there.
Kenny Golladay should be taking even more grief than he does/did after this game. He was horribly slow off the line and cannot get away from anyone! We know why he is here ($$$) but he does nothing but this team back. We don't have a great option behind him but honestly, just a 100% effort guy would be better than what Golladay is bringing to the table now.
Right now our receiving corps reminds me of 2002 at the end of the season except we don't have an Amani Toomer as the 1 main guy. Remember that year we even brought in Herman Moore at the very end.
Agreed on that Hudson drop. That was a huge face palm for me I was pretty pissed after watching that. Probably would be a lot less disconcerting if we had someone else stepping up as a pass catcher for us. Brutal.
re Dexter, how much of his improved play to you attribute to scheme vs finally playing what many beleived to be the correct position for his skill set?
The Giants can go 6-7 the rest of the way and finish 9-8. Think about that for a second.
You post that like it's an astute observation worth pondering.
What you're essentially saying is that the Giants are currently 2 games over .500, so if they go 1 game UNDER .500 the rest of the way, they'll be 1 game OVER .500 at the end of the season.
Mind blown!
I guarantee you, Ryan does think he made a profound statement with that post. And, for him, it was.
He isnt good, and some teams didnt even have him as a 1st rounder
That’s great Sy backed up everything you said.
Why don’t you share some of those prior comments you have made on here. And while you’re at it, please let us know which teams let you see their first round draft boards.
RE: RE: And Sy backs up everything I have said about Fields
He isnt good, and some teams didnt even have him as a 1st rounder
That’s great Sy backed up everything you said.
Why don’t you share some of those prior comments you have made on here. And while you’re at it, please let us know which teams let you see their first round draft boards.
The prior comments are that Fields isnt good, just another athlete trying to play QB, the type that so many here wanted to draft in April (and next April)
As usual, when I said this about Fields a couple weeks ago, the Jones sucks crowd attacked me. And once again they were wrong, no surprise
And Sy said in this writeup that some teams didnt have him as a 1st rounder, which backs up the point that he isnt good
You got attacked because you said Fields wasn’t any good??
In your report you mention that Jackson played well,and you also mention Holmes got little action on his side.
It does seem that teams have identified Adoree as the weak link.Is this identification justified?
How would you rate Jackson overall?
CB is such a big part of Wink's Defensive scheme....
No there are several factors that go into where an opposing offense opts to throw. Jackson is clearly the top cover man on this team
I can see no way the Giants can win in London. GB will load the box against Davis Webb and Webb does not have Jones wheels. I would sit Jones to let that ankle heal rather than risk it in a likely loss. I do not see Taylor being anywhere near cleared after the Yua fiasco.
Perhaps the TEs can come through. Perhaps Saquon on the outside more often with Breida or Brightwell in the backfield or some combo of that?
If by some miracle Toney decides to grace us with his presence, at least they would have one viable target.
At what point does Ezeudu take over for Bredesen at LG or is this a full year learning curve for Ezeudu?
We have seen more bad than good from Ezeudu early in the year. I do not forecast that change coming soon but getting him snaps week to week is a good idea. Bredeson appears to have the mental side down and while he is not a very good athlete - there is likely more trust there than the rookie
re Dexter, how much of his improved play to you attribute to scheme vs finally playing what many beleived to be the correct position for his skill set?
And thanks again for these reviews!
I never understood why Patrick Graham wanted to put, and leave, Lawrence at DE in their hybrid front. I always thought he was a true, potentially great NT and that is what we are seeing now that Martindale is here. It is his best spot and I do think that is part of the success we are seeing.
re Dexter, how much of his improved play to you attribute to scheme vs finally playing what many beleived to be the correct position for his skill set?
And thanks again for these reviews!
I never understood why Patrick Graham wanted to put, and leave, Lawrence at DE in their hybrid front. I always thought he was a true, potentially great NT and that is what we are seeing now that Martindale is here. It is his best spot and I do think that is part of the success we are seeing.
agreed I was hopeful re: dexter that playing his natural position would really help
so far, so good
and we picked up 5th yr option
has to be an extension candidate has proven durable and is closing in on pro bowl level (may be there now)
a big deal out of the Slayton "drop". He was interfered with and they got the yardage. Still could have caught it and had a bigger gain, but not easy when being interfered with. He's the one guy who can take the top off the defense. Sounds like Toney is making progress, if he can go, along with Slayton and James, that may be serviceable for now.
Plus, it looks like we have two decent TEs - may want to involve them more in the game plan.....
a big deal out of the Slayton "drop". He was interfered with and they got the yardage. Still could have caught it and had a bigger gain, but not easy when being interfered with. He's the one guy who can take the top off the defense. Sounds like Toney is making progress, if he can go, along with Slayton and James, that may be serviceable for now.
Plus, it looks like we have two decent TEs - may want to involve them more in the game plan.....
a big deal out of the Slayton "drop". He was interfered with and they got the yardage. Still could have caught it and had a bigger gain, but not easy when being interfered with....
The fact that he is known for dropping the ball more than catching it makes this relevant. If an athlete has a chance to shut up a critical fan base, they should take advantage...not prove them right.
deserved a mention. Seemed really unnecessary, undisciplined. I hope it's an exception, as he's going to playing a lotta snaps for us in the next few years.
I am sure you can find since you remember the attack so well. I'd be searching by day and have no way to narrow it down.
Will assume you will find it and post here.
I don't need to. I know what I said and I know what happened afterwards. If you want proof of it you can find it yourself
snab, I agree with you sometimes, but I don't know why you seem to insist on being right about everything and turn almost every thread into a pissing match.
It does seem that teams have identified Adoree as the weak link.Is this identification justified?
How would you rate Jackson overall?
CB is such a big part of Wink's Defensive scheme....
Chicago only has 1 NFL caliber WR (Mooney) which is still 1 more than the Giants had on Sunday and since Giants were playing a number of man schemes defensively they were able to keep Jackson on him.
See his last paragraph.
I get it, what I mean is a high effort player (with less athletic skills) will produce more than this done version of Golladay. But, I do think he lacks an interest in doing all that he can possibly do to produce.
My "Cheer" continues to go out to Andrew Thomas who is just putting up one strong performance after another. He is really coming into his own and, quite frankly, displaying a game that probably shows he could have been taken even earlier than overall #4 a few years ago. Stay healthy please!
My "Jeer" goes to the NY Giant Special Team units/coaches. Other than Gano, this group has been pretty disappointing in every single game. Blocked FGs, punts going needlessly into the end zone, fumbles on returns, running out kickoffs from the end zone, poor tackling, gunners running out of bounds for penalties. They have gotten a few fumble recoveries themselves and good thing because otherwise my grade would drop them to Awful.
They need to get it together since we play too many close games for them to be a problem each week.
You post that like it's an astute observation worth pondering.
What you're essentially saying is that the Giants are currently 2 games over .500, so if they go 1 game UNDER .500 the rest of the way, they'll be 1 game OVER .500 at the end of the season.
Mind blown!
Not sure why but is a real weakness in our team.
Funny enough I noticed this during Judges regime...and he was a Special teams guy.
The fumbled punt could have turned this last game around.
The D rose up and prevented that from happening.
But it could easily have done so.
The new punter needs to learn how to punt out of bounds and inside the 10 yd line
He booms everything but sometimes thats now the correct play
Mims is the local one, PFF speculated on Terrace Marshall this week. Kendrick Bourne is apparently in a doghouse in NE.
any hope cole beasley runs out of elevations and doesn't get an active roster spot and moves north? i think the bucs only have 1 more activation so maybe he's the guy Dabs/Schoen are waiting on before moving on to others in the vet category?
I was thinking about this after the loss to Dallas.
If nothing else it would be nice to break the streak of no playoffs and all the losing. A winning record? Sign me up.
Running game and defense can get us home. NEed to get Jones healthy as his running ability only enables Barkley to do even more damage. Teams have two guys to worry about when Jones is healthy.
Weather this injury storm and slate of tougher games. Steal a game here and there and then finish off the season with a dominant running game and above average defense.
I still believe NYG needs to focus on this being a transitional year and not do anything like give up draft picks that might weaken our position next season.
Time for power football. Multiple tights ands and running backs. Use Slayton on post routes to occupy a defensive back and hold the safety. Barkley can be split out also.
Eat up the clock, wear the opposing defense down while keeping our defense fresh.
Not sexy. But utilizes what we have best. Our weakest unit by far are our receivers, why pretend?
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As long as injuries do not destroy them....they have a decent shot....with just enough on roster except current WRs.
See his last paragraph.
I absolutely would be all over those guys, as long as they would accept pretty cheap deals. Ty Hilton would be 10x anyone we currently have
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The Giants can go 6-7 the rest of the way and finish 9-8. Think about that for a second.
I was thinking about this after the loss to Dallas.
If nothing else it would be nice to break the streak of no playoffs and all the losing. A winning record? Sign me up.
Running game and defense can get us home. NEed to get Jones healthy as his running ability only enables Barkley to do even more damage. Teams have two guys to worry about when Jones is healthy.
Weather this injury storm and slate of tougher games. Steal a game here and there and then finish off the season with a dominant running game and above average defense.
O-Line. Neal progressing and getting some kind of improvement inside can keep them in games and overcome adversity, particularly against the remaining quality of opponents.
The day Sy'56 writes a review lauding the OL play against one of his tier 1/2 teams will be when we know this thing is ready to take flight!
And thanks Sy for these write-ups.
Encouraging about Neal. Seems clear that he is a worker and is at minimum going to be a quality run blocker.
Think Neal will always have a few issues is pass pro. But that he puts in the work and can bounce back encouraging
AT improved towards the end of his rookie yr and is playing at all pro level now
If Neal can come close to that, offensive line will be set at OT for next few yrs ( depending on affordability)
Brightwell had a big first down run against Carolina at a crucial time and now a fumble recovery at a very opportune time against the Bears.
I don't know how good of a running back he'll ever be, but he seems to be carving out a niche for himself as a good role player that finds a way to help his team in limited snaps. Guys like this are needed just as much as stars.
Absolutely. Guys in the right place at right time or making most of limited opps always needed. U don’t have to be a star. I do think we can get something out of him at RB too
This team is so bare in the passing game and YET it wasn't inability to get open or to get the ball to a guy it was/were two specific drops that I think kept us from putting the Bears away sooner and who knows what that would have meant in play choice, timing etc. that led to Jones's injury.
1) Slaytons drop as mentioned was huge as it very well could have been a TD if caught it. he continues to be a guy who gets in position but doesn't finish. He is the Featherstone of our WR corps. (if you know the reference you know I am right).
2) The second one, was mentioned only in the positional breakdown section, Tanner Hudsons drop. First, the biggest issue I have with this drop is that it took away from an absolute rope, on the move and perfectly placed throw by Jones (it split two tight defenders) that hit Hudson between the numbers. That was a BIGTIME pass for Jones and it would have extended that drive and added to his passing numbers as well as force the Bears to continue to at least keep an eye on our passing attack (giving Barkley more room and chances of breaking a big run).
That is a big deal as it was a momentum killer right there.
Kenny Golladay should be taking even more grief than he does/did after this game. He was horribly slow off the line and cannot get away from anyone! We know why he is here ($$$) but he does nothing but this team back. We don't have a great option behind him but honestly, just a 100% effort guy would be better than what Golladay is bringing to the table now.
Right now our receiving corps reminds me of 2002 at the end of the season except we don't have an Amani Toomer as the 1 main guy. Remember that year we even brought in Herman Moore at the very end.
Agreed on that Hudson drop. That was a huge face palm for me I was pretty pissed after watching that. Probably would be a lot less disconcerting if we had someone else stepping up as a pass catcher for us. Brutal.
And thanks again for these reviews!
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The Giants can go 6-7 the rest of the way and finish 9-8. Think about that for a second.
You post that like it's an astute observation worth pondering.
What you're essentially saying is that the Giants are currently 2 games over .500, so if they go 1 game UNDER .500 the rest of the way, they'll be 1 game OVER .500 at the end of the season.
Mind blown!
I guarantee you, Ryan does think he made a profound statement with that post. And, for him, it was.
That’s great Sy backed up everything you said.
Why don’t you share some of those prior comments you have made on here. And while you’re at it, please let us know which teams let you see their first round draft boards.
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He isnt good, and some teams didnt even have him as a 1st rounder
That’s great Sy backed up everything you said.
Why don’t you share some of those prior comments you have made on here. And while you’re at it, please let us know which teams let you see their first round draft boards.
The prior comments are that Fields isnt good, just another athlete trying to play QB, the type that so many here wanted to draft in April (and next April)
As usual, when I said this about Fields a couple weeks ago, the Jones sucks crowd attacked me. And once again they were wrong, no surprise
And Sy said in this writeup that some teams didnt have him as a 1st rounder, which backs up the point that he isnt good
It does seem that teams have identified Adoree as the weak link.Is this identification justified?
How would you rate Jackson overall?
CB is such a big part of Wink's Defensive scheme....
No there are several factors that go into where an opposing offense opts to throw. Jackson is clearly the top cover man on this team
I can see no way the Giants can win in London. GB will load the box against Davis Webb and Webb does not have Jones wheels. I would sit Jones to let that ankle heal rather than risk it in a likely loss. I do not see Taylor being anywhere near cleared after the Yua fiasco.
Perhaps the TEs can come through. Perhaps Saquon on the outside more often with Breida or Brightwell in the backfield or some combo of that?
If by some miracle Toney decides to grace us with his presence, at least they would have one viable target.
At what point does Ezeudu take over for Bredesen at LG or is this a full year learning curve for Ezeudu?
We have seen more bad than good from Ezeudu early in the year. I do not forecast that change coming soon but getting him snaps week to week is a good idea. Bredeson appears to have the mental side down and while he is not a very good athlete - there is likely more trust there than the rookie
You're the one who's claiming it. You go find it.
And thanks again for these reviews!
I never understood why Patrick Graham wanted to put, and leave, Lawrence at DE in their hybrid front. I always thought he was a true, potentially great NT and that is what we are seeing now that Martindale is here. It is his best spot and I do think that is part of the success we are seeing.
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re Dexter, how much of his improved play to you attribute to scheme vs finally playing what many beleived to be the correct position for his skill set?
And thanks again for these reviews!
I never understood why Patrick Graham wanted to put, and leave, Lawrence at DE in their hybrid front. I always thought he was a true, potentially great NT and that is what we are seeing now that Martindale is here. It is his best spot and I do think that is part of the success we are seeing.
agreed I was hopeful re: dexter that playing his natural position would really help
so far, so good
and we picked up 5th yr option
has to be an extension candidate has proven durable and is closing in on pro bowl level (may be there now)
Plus, it looks like we have two decent TEs - may want to involve them more in the game plan.....
I am sure you can find since you remember the attack so well. I'd be searching by day and have no way to narrow it down.
Will assume you will find it and post here.
Plus, it looks like we have two decent TEs - may want to involve them more in the game plan.....
It was not a big deal for the game.
But when it comes to his evaluation - it matters
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Im sure it was in one of the many Jones threads
I am sure you can find since you remember the attack so well. I'd be searching by day and have no way to narrow it down.
Will assume you will find it and post here.
I don't need to. I know what I said and I know what happened afterwards. If you want proof of it you can find it yourself
I liked the presentation of the potential future view of the team.
The fact that he is known for dropping the ball more than catching it makes this relevant. If an athlete has a chance to shut up a critical fan base, they should take advantage...not prove them right.
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Im sure it was in one of the many Jones threads
I am sure you can find since you remember the attack so well. I'd be searching by day and have no way to narrow it down.
Will assume you will find it and post here.
I don't need to. I know what I said and I know what happened afterwards. If you want proof of it you can find it yourself
Then we'll just assume you made it up. Or at the very least are being overly-dramatic about how "attacked" you were.
I've been attacked! - ( New Window )
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Im sure it was in one of the many Jones threads
I am sure you can find since you remember the attack so well. I'd be searching by day and have no way to narrow it down.
Will assume you will find it and post here.
I don't need to. I know what I said and I know what happened afterwards. If you want proof of it you can find it yourself
Then we'll just assume you made it up. Or at the very least are being overly-dramatic about how "attacked" you were.
WTF are you even paying attention and posting anything. Just let it die a natural death and not clog up this thread.
So Snablats, is this the thread where the crime allegedly occurred?
If so, I was being kind earlier suggesting you were probably just being overly-dramatic.
It fucking annoying and unnecessary to feed a troll.
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Im sure it was in one of the many Jones threads
I am sure you can find since you remember the attack so well. I'd be searching by day and have no way to narrow it down.
Will assume you will find it and post here.
I don't need to. I know what I said and I know what happened afterwards. If you want proof of it you can find it yourself
snab, I agree with you sometimes, but I don't know why you seem to insist on being right about everything and turn almost every thread into a pissing match.