I disagree that this is indicative of Gettleman hate on BBI. Yes we dodged a bullet with Trubisky, but he did lead Chicago to the playoffs and was demonstrably better than the other QB's who he was benched for in Chicago. I can get why a team, at the right price, would gamble on him pulling a Kerry Collins.
Trubisky >> than Taylor. Check their records. I would rather see
Trubisky as a backup than Taylor. Trubisky knew the offense, younger and more durable than Taylor. Of course, the BBI faithful probably would have been screaming for Trubisky as the starter.
Trubisky would beat Jones in a real competition, then he got replaced by a rookie after 4 weeks
I don't remember everything I write, but I could see myself saying that if there was a legitimate competition for the starting job Trubisky could win it.
So what if he lost the starting job to Pickett. Maybe Pickett is clearly the better player and will now get his shot.
RE: But Trubisky would beat out Jones in a real competition
That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
have almost identical passing stats this year. Jones does have better running #s. Giants and Steelers have scored almost the same amount of points.
I realize that Daniel Jones is the 1st QB who transcends stats, but its worth pointing out that both guys suck. It's just the Giants were on the right end of a few toss-up games.
that's a pretty low bar for trubisky to not exceed. there's a reason he got paid like a backup QB.
Well, then it's perfectly clear Pittsburgh made a mistake with Pickett and they should find another solution.
After one game.
i don't like pickett but i dont think they made a mistake. they took the highest graded QB in the draft and also signed i think the most expensive qb in UFA. they took 2 shots at a QB which is smart but at this point it's more of a race to the bottom than the top. that's a team with a lot of good weapons too.
have almost identical passing stats this year. Jones does have better running #s. Giants and Steelers have scored almost the same amount of points.
I realize that Daniel Jones is the 1st QB who transcends stats, but its worth pointing out that both guys suck. It's just the Giants were on the right end of a few toss-up games.
Jones is actually playing better than Trubisky.
I think a key reason is likely offensive coaching.
Jones has Daboll and Kafka and Trubisky has Matt Canada.
RE: RE: RE: pickett threw 3 ints in 13 attempts at home
Well, then it's perfectly clear Pittsburgh made a mistake with Pickett and they should find another solution.
After one game.
i don't like pickett but i dont think they made a mistake. they took the highest graded QB in the draft and also signed i think the most expensive qb in UFA. they took 2 shots at a QB which is smart but at this point it's more of a race to the bottom than the top. that's a team with a lot of good weapons too.
I cooled on Pickett before the draft. The glove/hand-size seemed relevant as problematic.
But I understood Pittsburgh's thought process. They easily had the most intel on Pickett and thought he was worth the stretch. And Trubisky could play the role of mentor/bridge.
I'm actually not surprised Pickett is now QB1. I was thinking it would be a more traditional handoff - later in the season and if Pitt was out of the playoffs, etc.
I like their weapons, too. But that OL is poor and I'm not a Matt Canada fan.
RE: RE: But Trubisky would beat out Jones in a real competition
That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
I was okay with a Day 2 pick on a couple of QBs this past offseason
and with Pickett being one of them. Probably wouldn't have extended it to a first rounder but Steelers are looking for their guy.
The change from Trubisky was really only a matter of time. No surprise if he has to go back in at some point this season either as rookie QBs tend to get a bit risky at times in desperation.
RE: RE: RE: But Trubisky would beat out Jones in a real competition
That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
How are you proven right that the Steelers decided to play their rookie first round pick, since it has nothing to do with Jones? Everybody puts high drafted rookie QBs in...even Jones got his shot. 4 times over no less.
And why do we need to tell you, now in October, who in college might be a better future pro than Daniel Jones will be? Schoen will give you his answer next April, if not sooner. The answer can’t even be tested until over a year from now or longer anyway so go pull down an early mock draft if you need potential names. They have a whole season to play out anyway and a lot will happen before the next draft in the eyes of NFL scouts.
You post in an obtuse manner and like you have a vendetta against everyone on this board because you got chased off of it before or something. Is that it?
I think Pickett will develop into a good QB for them.
That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
How are you proven right that the Steelers decided to play their rookie first round pick, since it has nothing to do with Jones? Everybody puts high drafted rookie QBs in...even Jones got his shot. 4 times over no less.
And why do we need to tell you, now in October, who in college might be a better future pro than Daniel Jones will be? Schoen will give you his answer next April, if not sooner. The answer can’t even be tested until over a year from now or longer anyway so go pull down an early mock draft if you need potential names. They have a whole season to play out anyway and a lot will happen before the next draft in the eyes of NFL scouts.
You post in an obtuse manner and like you have a vendetta against everyone on this board because you got chased off of it before or something. Is that it?
They are playing Pickett because Trubisky has been terrible. If Trubisky was playing well, Pickett wouldnt be playing.
Which means Trubisky would not have beaten out Jones, which is what the Jones sucks club kept telling us would have happened
You think some college QB is all of a sudden going to look a lot better than he does now? This is the standard refrain of the Jones sucks crowd, that some QB will come out of nowhere and just appear at the Giants doorstep
Its not obtuse, its accurate
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: But Trubisky would beat out Jones in a real competition
That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
How are you proven right that the Steelers decided to play their rookie first round pick, since it has nothing to do with Jones? Everybody puts high drafted rookie QBs in...even Jones got his shot. 4 times over no less.
And why do we need to tell you, now in October, who in college might be a better future pro than Daniel Jones will be? Schoen will give you his answer next April, if not sooner. The answer can’t even be tested until over a year from now or longer anyway so go pull down an early mock draft if you need potential names. They have a whole season to play out anyway and a lot will happen before the next draft in the eyes of NFL scouts.
You post in an obtuse manner and like you have a vendetta against everyone on this board because you got chased off of it before or something. Is that it?
They are playing Pickett because Trubisky has been terrible. If Trubisky was playing well, Pickett wouldnt be playing.
Which means Trubisky would not have beaten out Jones, which is what the Jones sucks club kept telling us would have happened
You think some college QB is all of a sudden going to look a lot better than he does now? This is the standard refrain of the Jones sucks crowd, that some QB will come out of nowhere and just appear at the Giants doorstep
Its not obtuse, its accurate
Almost all 1st round QBs are expected to play their first season. Usually around game 6. Pickett is on schedule.
… of which I am a proud member, I wish to state unequivocally that our organization never endorsed the acquisition of Mitch Trubisky. While individual members may have supported this idea, there was no consensus on the subject, let alone a formal resolution.
Also, please to not conflate us with the Daniel Jones Sux Association (DJSA). Although membership overlaps, and we share certain convictions about the 2019-2021 Giants, our group sustains its contempt for the former GM without any special malice for his anointed franchise QB. We regard Jones as a symptom, not a cause, and despite his limitations, we continue to root for the guy. He’s a ballsy SoB.
The 20th pick is a lot closer to Jordan Love or Paxton Lynch than Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence. Anyway, I doubt Pittsburgh paid Trubisky what they did in anticipation of benching him after four games.
So Snablats is probably right, though of course we’ll never know. For his part, Tomlin said there was never a timeline, and dodged questions about how big a factor Trubisky’s performance had been in the decision.
Of course, the likely plan wasn't to not play Pickett.
haters who were calling for Willis at pick 5 or 7 and more the QBGC (QB guru club) who were calling for him. They are pretty consistent on most QB threads imv. Everything is tools and little else.
I think Pitt has a bunch of problems. Kurt Warner had issues with Pickett and he did a nice job breaking him down. We'll see how it goes. He certainly is not walking into a offensive team like BR did to start.
RE: On behalf of the He-Man Gettleman-Haters’ Club…
… of which I am a proud member, I wish to state unequivocally that our organization never endorsed the acquisition of Mitch Trubisky. While individual members may have supported this idea, there was no consensus on the subject, let alone a formal resolution.
Also, please to not conflate us with the Daniel Jones Sux Association (DJSA). Although membership overlaps, and we share certain convictions about the 2019-2021 Giants, our group sustains its contempt for the former GM without any special malice for his anointed franchise QB. We regard Jones as a symptom, not a cause, and despite his limitations, we continue to root for the guy. He’s a ballsy SoB.
Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.
BBB is correct, as I also attended that particular Gettleman-Haters Club meeting...
There are two concepts being folded into the debate that are related but not the same question.
1) Would Trubisky have beaten out Jones?
2) Are there viable options to replace Jones next year?
To point number one, given Trubisky’s familiarity in the system, and the fact the Giants offense has been simplified down to bootlegs, RPOs, and read options — I think Trubisky stood a chance. I also don’t think there’s anything Jones is doing Trubisky couldn’t do.
His struggles in Pittsburgh aren’t a good indicator of how he’d perform in a better offensive system in which he’s familiar.
As to options to replace Jones, start with how much you believe Jones will be making next year, then let’s have an intellectually honest debate.
There are two concepts being folded into the debate that are related but not the same question.
1) Would Trubisky have beaten out Jones?
2) Are there viable options to replace Jones next year?
To point number one, given Trubisky’s familiarity in the system, and the fact the Giants offense has been simplified down to bootlegs, RPOs, and read options — I think Trubisky stood a chance. I also don’t think there’s anything Jones is doing Trubisky couldn’t do.
His struggles in Pittsburgh aren’t a good indicator of how he’d perform in a better offensive system in which he’s familiar.
As to options to replace Jones, start with how much you believe Jones will be making next year, then let’s have an intellectually honest debate.
christian, to your first point - I tend to agree that Trubisky could have held his own in a true QB competition with Jones, and that maybe his system familiarity tips the scales in his favor. Good call on that comment. Although, it seems pretty clear the franchise had no intent to run a QB competition.
As to second point - from an AAV perspective, I have it in my mind Jones can maybe get a deal up to about $18M. So many QB contracts around $10M and below and so many rookie deals out there that muddy the waters. But with his ability to move the chains with arm/legs, no red flags or attitude problems and NYG dysfunction, he has some things in his favor to negotiate some extra $ for himself in a new venue.
Not sure how many years he gets as that is very hazy whether he is aggressive enough to bet on himself for a short gig or play it conservative. And of course, any more injuries this season only puts additional discounts on that price tag.
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
Pretty much sums it up. For some reason their is this ever present argument that somehow Jones brings intangibles that transcend statistics, while non-Giants qbs are exactly as their numbers suggest.
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
Pretty much sums it up. For some reason their is this ever present argument that somehow Jones brings intangibles that transcend statistics, while non-Giants qbs are exactly as their numbers suggest.
Jones always gets the hometown bump. Ties go to Jones.
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
I’m no Jones apologist by any means but to be fair, I’d give up your left nut to have the receiving core that Pittsburgh has. You can’t just ignore that if you’re going to insinuate that what the two have done are basically the same. The Steelers have 3 WRs that would be the clear number 1 with the Giants
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It's mental illness.
Yeah, buncha lunatics around here for hating a clown whose teams went 19-46
We dodged a major bullet. Mitch is awful. I'm surprised Tomlin waited this long to bench him.
I disagree that this is indicative of Gettleman hate on BBI. Yes we dodged a bullet with Trubisky, but he did lead Chicago to the playoffs and was demonstrably better than the other QB's who he was benched for in Chicago. I can get why a team, at the right price, would gamble on him pulling a Kerry Collins.
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I was wrong. He looks terrible, completely finished with 0 ceiling.
We dodged a major bullet. Mitch is awful. I'm surprised Tomlin waited this long to bench him.
Did we dodge a bullet or is Trubisky with the wrong team? Because Matt Canada is just an awful OC since getting the OC job in 2021 with Pittsburgh.
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
You do realize Schoen/Daboll absolutely wanted to sign Trubisky, right?
But Trubisky got a better deal/opportunity with Pittsburgh.
I don't remember everything I write, but I could see myself saying that if there was a legitimate competition for the starting job Trubisky could win it.
So what if he lost the starting job to Pickett. Maybe Pickett is clearly the better player and will now get his shot.
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
I realize that Daniel Jones is the 1st QB who transcends stats, but its worth pointing out that both guys suck. It's just the Giants were on the right end of a few toss-up games.
Well, then it's perfectly clear Pittsburgh made a mistake with Pickett and they should find another solution.
After one game.
I think the dealbreaker for MT coming here was that he likely had to accept he was the back-up, and the job belonged to Jones.
Taylor accepted the circumstances.
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that's a pretty low bar for trubisky to not exceed. there's a reason he got paid like a backup QB.
Well, then it's perfectly clear Pittsburgh made a mistake with Pickett and they should find another solution.
After one game.
i don't like pickett but i dont think they made a mistake. they took the highest graded QB in the draft and also signed i think the most expensive qb in UFA. they took 2 shots at a QB which is smart but at this point it's more of a race to the bottom than the top. that's a team with a lot of good weapons too.
I realize that Daniel Jones is the 1st QB who transcends stats, but its worth pointing out that both guys suck. It's just the Giants were on the right end of a few toss-up games.
Jones is actually playing better than Trubisky.
I think a key reason is likely offensive coaching.
Jones has Daboll and Kafka and Trubisky has Matt Canada.
Well, then it's perfectly clear Pittsburgh made a mistake with Pickett and they should find another solution.
After one game.
i don't like pickett but i dont think they made a mistake. they took the highest graded QB in the draft and also signed i think the most expensive qb in UFA. they took 2 shots at a QB which is smart but at this point it's more of a race to the bottom than the top. that's a team with a lot of good weapons too.
I cooled on Pickett before the draft. The glove/hand-size seemed relevant as problematic.
But I understood Pittsburgh's thought process. They easily had the most intel on Pickett and thought he was worth the stretch. And Trubisky could play the role of mentor/bridge.
I'm actually not surprised Pickett is now QB1. I was thinking it would be a more traditional handoff - later in the season and if Pitt was out of the playoffs, etc.
I like their weapons, too. But that OL is poor and I'm not a Matt Canada fan.
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That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
The change from Trubisky was really only a matter of time. No surprise if he has to go back in at some point this season either as rookie QBs tend to get a bit risky at times in desperation.
Why do you keep citing a situation - Trubisky v Jones - that never materialized? Pittsburgh and East Rutherford are 600 miles apart.
The only fact we know is that the Giants brass wanted to sign Trubisky.
I'll ask again. What if Pickett is actually better than Trubisky? And in this day and age, does it really matter if Pickett is a rookie?
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They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
Why do you keep citing a situation - Trubisky v Jones - that never materialized? Pittsburgh and East Rutherford are 600 miles apart.
The only fact we know is that the Giants brass wanted to sign Trubisky.
I'll ask again. What if Pickett is actually better than Trubisky? And in this day and age, does it really matter if Pickett is a rookie?
You are a troll to the end
But to be fair, Pickett could very well wind up being very good.
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That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
How are you proven right that the Steelers decided to play their rookie first round pick, since it has nothing to do with Jones? Everybody puts high drafted rookie QBs in...even Jones got his shot. 4 times over no less.
And why do we need to tell you, now in October, who in college might be a better future pro than Daniel Jones will be? Schoen will give you his answer next April, if not sooner. The answer can’t even be tested until over a year from now or longer anyway so go pull down an early mock draft if you need potential names. They have a whole season to play out anyway and a lot will happen before the next draft in the eyes of NFL scouts.
You post in an obtuse manner and like you have a vendetta against everyone on this board because you got chased off of it before or something. Is that it?
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That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
How are you proven right that the Steelers decided to play their rookie first round pick, since it has nothing to do with Jones? Everybody puts high drafted rookie QBs in...even Jones got his shot. 4 times over no less.
And why do we need to tell you, now in October, who in college might be a better future pro than Daniel Jones will be? Schoen will give you his answer next April, if not sooner. The answer can’t even be tested until over a year from now or longer anyway so go pull down an early mock draft if you need potential names. They have a whole season to play out anyway and a lot will happen before the next draft in the eyes of NFL scouts.
You post in an obtuse manner and like you have a vendetta against everyone on this board because you got chased off of it before or something. Is that it?
They are playing Pickett because Trubisky has been terrible. If Trubisky was playing well, Pickett wouldnt be playing.
Which means Trubisky would not have beaten out Jones, which is what the Jones sucks club kept telling us would have happened
You think some college QB is all of a sudden going to look a lot better than he does now? This is the standard refrain of the Jones sucks crowd, that some QB will come out of nowhere and just appear at the Giants doorstep
Its not obtuse, its accurate
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That's what all the Jones sucks people kept telling us this spring
They also wanted to draft Malik Willis at 5 or 7 (he went 86th) and Ridder or Corral at 36 (went 74th and 94th)
Yep, the Jones sucks crowd sure nailed the QB position this spring
Can you create a post that doesn't refer to Jones haters, or that every potential alternative to Jones is not good enough?
Whether it's a NFT thread or a Giants one, all you keep saying is you always called it correct and everybody else was always wrong? Yet you never show those posts, how come?
Clearly you are reading all of my posts, so why do I need to go find them again? You know I said it so you know I was right
I know what I wrote, I know what others wrote. People give me crap for my opinions, so when I am proven right I am giving it back to them
The Jones sucks crowd deserves it. They told us over and over that Trubisky would beat out Jones, and now Mitch is being replaced by a rookie after 4 games
And you tell me who can the Giants get that is better than Jones? Stroud yes, Young probably. Then who?
How are you proven right that the Steelers decided to play their rookie first round pick, since it has nothing to do with Jones? Everybody puts high drafted rookie QBs in...even Jones got his shot. 4 times over no less.
And why do we need to tell you, now in October, who in college might be a better future pro than Daniel Jones will be? Schoen will give you his answer next April, if not sooner. The answer can’t even be tested until over a year from now or longer anyway so go pull down an early mock draft if you need potential names. They have a whole season to play out anyway and a lot will happen before the next draft in the eyes of NFL scouts.
You post in an obtuse manner and like you have a vendetta against everyone on this board because you got chased off of it before or something. Is that it?
They are playing Pickett because Trubisky has been terrible. If Trubisky was playing well, Pickett wouldnt be playing.
Which means Trubisky would not have beaten out Jones, which is what the Jones sucks club kept telling us would have happened
You think some college QB is all of a sudden going to look a lot better than he does now? This is the standard refrain of the Jones sucks crowd, that some QB will come out of nowhere and just appear at the Giants doorstep
Its not obtuse, its accurate
Almost all 1st round QBs are expected to play their first season. Usually around game 6. Pickett is on schedule.
Sure.. ok.. and how long have you been Mike Tomlin's confidante.
Also, please to not conflate us with the Daniel Jones Sux Association (DJSA). Although membership overlaps, and we share certain convictions about the 2019-2021 Giants, our group sustains its contempt for the former GM without any special malice for his anointed franchise QB. We regard Jones as a symptom, not a cause, and despite his limitations, we continue to root for the guy. He’s a ballsy SoB.
Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.
So Snablats is probably right, though of course we’ll never know. For his part, Tomlin said there was never a timeline, and dodged questions about how big a factor Trubisky’s performance had been in the decision.
The rest of this conjecture is crap.
And most certainly has no relationship whatsoever to Daniel Jones' performance...
I think Pitt has a bunch of problems. Kurt Warner had issues with Pickett and he did a nice job breaking him down. We'll see how it goes. He certainly is not walking into a offensive team like BR did to start.
Also, please to not conflate us with the Daniel Jones Sux Association (DJSA). Although membership overlaps, and we share certain convictions about the 2019-2021 Giants, our group sustains its contempt for the former GM without any special malice for his anointed franchise QB. We regard Jones as a symptom, not a cause, and despite his limitations, we continue to root for the guy. He’s a ballsy SoB.
Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.
BBB is correct, as I also attended that particular Gettleman-Haters Club meeting...
1) Would Trubisky have beaten out Jones?
2) Are there viable options to replace Jones next year?
To point number one, given Trubisky’s familiarity in the system, and the fact the Giants offense has been simplified down to bootlegs, RPOs, and read options — I think Trubisky stood a chance. I also don’t think there’s anything Jones is doing Trubisky couldn’t do.
His struggles in Pittsburgh aren’t a good indicator of how he’d perform in a better offensive system in which he’s familiar.
As to options to replace Jones, start with how much you believe Jones will be making next year, then let’s have an intellectually honest debate.
1) Would Trubisky have beaten out Jones?
2) Are there viable options to replace Jones next year?
To point number one, given Trubisky’s familiarity in the system, and the fact the Giants offense has been simplified down to bootlegs, RPOs, and read options — I think Trubisky stood a chance. I also don’t think there’s anything Jones is doing Trubisky couldn’t do.
His struggles in Pittsburgh aren’t a good indicator of how he’d perform in a better offensive system in which he’s familiar.
As to options to replace Jones, start with how much you believe Jones will be making next year, then let’s have an intellectually honest debate.
christian, to your first point - I tend to agree that Trubisky could have held his own in a true QB competition with Jones, and that maybe his system familiarity tips the scales in his favor. Good call on that comment. Although, it seems pretty clear the franchise had no intent to run a QB competition.
As to second point - from an AAV perspective, I have it in my mind Jones can maybe get a deal up to about $18M. So many QB contracts around $10M and below and so many rookie deals out there that muddy the waters. But with his ability to move the chains with arm/legs, no red flags or attitude problems and NYG dysfunction, he has some things in his favor to negotiate some extra $ for himself in a new venue.
Not sure how many years he gets as that is very hazy whether he is aggressive enough to bet on himself for a short gig or play it conservative. And of course, any more injuries this season only puts additional discounts on that price tag.
Giants 19 PPG
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
Giants 19 PPG
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
Pretty much sums it up. For some reason their is this ever present argument that somehow Jones brings intangibles that transcend statistics, while non-Giants qbs are exactly as their numbers suggest.
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The Steelers average 18.5 PPG
Giants 19 PPG
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
Pretty much sums it up. For some reason their is this ever present argument that somehow Jones brings intangibles that transcend statistics, while non-Giants qbs are exactly as their numbers suggest.
Jones always gets the hometown bump. Ties go to Jones.
Giants 19 PPG
Trubisky is 69-116, 653 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints
Jones is 67-105, 631 yards, 3 TDs, 2 Ints
Two differences-
Jones has done a lot more running and been effective on the ground
The Steelers lost a couple ugly low scoring games. The Giants won a couple. Those things tend to even out.
Both guys are really bad starting QBs and solid backups.
I’m no Jones apologist by any means but to be fair, I’d give up your left nut to have the receiving core that Pittsburgh has. You can’t just ignore that if you’re going to insinuate that what the two have done are basically the same. The Steelers have 3 WRs that would be the clear number 1 with the Giants