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NFT: Nats @ Mets - Doubleheader - Games 1 & 2

Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:01 pm
Game 1: Carrasco (NYM) vs. Abbott (WASH)
Game 2: Walker (NYM) vs. Espino (WASH)


We've got a doubleheader with questionable weather today in Flushing, with Game 1 scheduled to start in about ten minutes, pending of course any further delays due to inclement weather (we can keep comments & discussion for both games on this thread).

The Braves have a magic number of 1 to win the division, so there will be three chances for that to happen today between their game in Miami later and the Mets' two games today in Queens. Let's see what happens. The odds are overwhelmingly in the Braves' favor (92%) according to PlayoffStatus.com.

Let's see what happens with the Phillies and Padres too today. The odds are that the Mets will play San Diego (84%), but don't be surprised to see Philly slide in there on the last day since there's only one game separating them now and also because Philly has the tie-breaker between themselves and San Diego since they won the season series against them. Things are still up in the air other than the identity of the 12 playoff teams. The Brewers were eliminated yesterday when the Phillies won against Houston and clinched a playoff berth of their own.



October 4, 2022 - Nats at Mets - Doubleheader: Game 1

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RE: To the old timers and most of the newcomers  
Jay on the Island : 10/4/2022 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15846756 Shecky said:
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Congrats on a great season, and cheers to the playoffs

And is it Jay on a the Island??? who was the Braves fan? To the only good Braves fan - congrats to your douchebag if a team in another incredible season.

Thanks Shecky and I will congratulate you guys on a hell of a season. 100 wins is no easy task and I know many of you guys are down after the sweep but as the Braves proved last year anything can happen in the playoffs. This was the most exciting season that I can remember in nearly two decades.
Has any other team lost their division during their 100th victory?  
butler : 10/4/2022 11:23 pm : link
Unreal. Let's Go Mets.
all of Yu/Musgrove/Snell were better vs. LHH than RHH this year  
Eric on Li : 10/4/2022 11:23 pm : link
if I were buck I'd consider starting Alvarez at DH game 1 and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle.

Keep Vogelbach on the bench for an important situation against a RHRP.

Assuming no Marte, start McNeil in the OF and Guillorme at 2b.

Nimmo
Lindor
McNeil
Alonso
Escobar
Canha
Alvarez
Guillorme
Nidon't or McCan't

Vogelbach, Naquin, Vientos on bench to hit for catchers if the situation calls for it.
McNeil should sit tomorrow  
Snablats : 10/4/2022 11:24 pm : link
Get the 2 days off with the rest of the regulars
Put another one in the books!  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:26 pm : link




100 wins :-) Let's make it 101 tomorrow :-)
Since June 1st...  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:28 pm : link
RE: Put another one in the books!  
Eric on Li : 10/4/2022 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15846782 Optimus-NY said:
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100 wins :-) Let's make it 101 tomorrow :-)


let's pray for a 4/4 with 4 homers for alvarez. if he can do some damage it could be a real gamechanger and right now he's a total unknown. the 2 balls he mashed today were both of RHP too.
RE: Has any other team lost their division during their 100th victory?  
Shecky : 10/4/2022 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15846778 butler said:
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Unreal. Let's Go Mets.


About a dozen times in all of mlb history

Worked out well for the dodgers last year
Win tomorrow and this is the second  
ZGiants98 : 10/4/2022 11:30 pm : link
best record in franchise history. All alone.

Would be pretty sweet.
RE: Win tomorrow and this is the second  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15846786 ZGiants98 said:
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best record in franchise history. All alone.

Would be pretty sweet.


Indeed
RE: RE: Put another one in the books!  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15846784 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15846782 Optimus-NY said:


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100 wins :-) Let's make it 101 tomorrow :-)



let's pray for a 4/4 with 4 homers for alvarez. if he can do some damage it could be a real gamechanger and right now he's a total unknown. the 2 balls he mashed today were both of RHP too.


+1
RE: RE: To the old timers and most of the newcomers  
ZGiants98 : 10/4/2022 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15846777 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15846756 Shecky said:


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Congrats on a great season, and cheers to the playoffs

And is it Jay on a the Island??? who was the Braves fan? To the only good Braves fan - congrats to your douchebag if a team in another incredible season.



Thanks Shecky and I will congratulate you guys on a hell of a season. 100 wins is no easy task and I know many of you guys are down after the sweep but as the Braves proved last year anything can happen in the playoffs. This was the most exciting season that I can remember in nearly two decades.


Thanks Jay. Very classy.
RE: RE: Has any other team lost their division during their 100th victory?  
butler : 10/4/2022 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15846785 Shecky said:
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In comment 15846778 butler said:


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Unreal. Let's Go Mets.



About a dozen times in all of mlb history

Worked out well for the dodgers last year


I know that other teams have lost the division with 100 wins. But the Giants, for example, didn't clinch DURING the Dodgers 100th victory.
The Pads are up 5-0 on the SFG in San Diego now in the mid of the 7th.  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:38 pm : link
We should have a result in the next 45 minutes to an hour, assuming the game doesn't go to extra innings.

SFG at SD Padres - TV: Padres feed


Gameday Box Score - SFG at SD - mlb.com - 10/4/22 - ( New Window )
NL East standings as of now:  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:44 pm : link


Mets are the #4 seed as the first Wild Card in the NL against either the Pads or Phils. If the Pads win tonight, then it'll be the Pads.
As unlikely as it may be right now...  
ZGiants98 : 10/4/2022 11:49 pm : link
If the Mets get another crack at the Braves in the NLCS and beat them, this season instantly becomes one of the GOATS.

On to the Padres.
One more game to go...  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 11:53 pm : link
RE: One more game to go...  
Eric on Li : 10/4/2022 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15846800 Optimus-NY said:
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if he plays tomorrow, he should DH. i want the guy to win the batting title but they cannot afford an injury and it's 1 game. if they were winning the division and coming up on 5 days off it's one thing but they have 1 day off and then wild card. give him the day off or at worst dh him and dont let him play the field.
RE: RE: One more game to go...  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:01 am : link
In comment 15846802 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15846800 Optimus-NY said:


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if he plays tomorrow, he should DH. i want the guy to win the batting title but they cannot afford an injury and it's 1 game. if they were winning the division and coming up on 5 days off it's one thing but they have 1 day off and then wild card. give him the day off or at worst dh him and dont let him play the field.


Sound logic. I'm down with that. Put Luis in at 2nd.
RE: RE: RE: One more game to go...  
Eric on Li : 10/5/2022 12:06 am : link
In comment 15846804 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15846802 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 15846800 Optimus-NY said:


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if he plays tomorrow, he should DH. i want the guy to win the batting title but they cannot afford an injury and it's 1 game. if they were winning the division and coming up on 5 days off it's one thing but they have 1 day off and then wild card. give him the day off or at worst dh him and dont let him play the field.



Sound logic. I'm down with that. Put Luis in at 2nd.


man tomorrow's lineup. it's crazy but i think id go:

LF Canha
SS Guillorme
2b Escobar (has played there before, who knows may need to go there in an emergency in postseason?)
DH Vogey
C Alvarez
RF Naquin
3b Vientos
1b McCann
CF Gore

not sure who else they have with the team that's not on the active roster but if they can they could use some more bodies.
I like that lineup Eric.  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:10 am : link
What if McNeil wants to play though?
McNeil, Lindor and Alonso should all rest  
Vanzetti : 10/5/2022 12:18 am : link
Two days off is optimum. Muscle mass begins to decrease ever so slightly on the third day, leading to tightness and lethargy.
Who's the starting pitcher tomorrow?  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:18 am : link
Peterson? Megill? Williams? Who can the Mets throw to keep everyone on the pitching staff as fresh as possible going into Friday?
RE: McNeil, Lindor and Alonso should all rest  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:23 am : link
In comment 15846810 Vanzetti said:
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Two days off is optimum. Muscle mass begins to decrease ever so slightly on the third day, leading to tightness and lethargy.


Maybe start them, especially since Lindor and Alonso have played in every game so far this season (correct me if I'm wrong please) and might want to finish things off in that regard in the season finale, and then remove them during the game.
Final Score from San Diego just in....  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:32 am : link
Padres 6, S.F. Giants 2


Padres have clinched the 5 seed. It'll be Pads at Mets on Friday and Saturday (and Sunday, if necessary).
The playoff brackets are fully set in each league now:  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:46 am : link





MLB postseason picture - As of now - ( New Window )
Didn't Lindor promise  
ripdumaine : 10/5/2022 6:07 am : link
McNeil a car if he won the batting title this year during spring training???
Of course I have a wedding Friday night for the  
Chris684 : 10/5/2022 6:17 am : link
first Met playoff game in 6 years.

With the way the matchups are though you have to figure the Mets/Padres will be in either the 4pm range or 9pm range for start time right?

I’d guess the lineup will be TB/Cle early followed by M’s/Jays, Phils/Cards and Mets/Pads in that order.
McNeil with a nice lead for Batting Title  
moze1021 : 10/5/2022 6:38 am : link

McNeil: .32645
Freeman: .32236

Freeman needs to go 4-4 today to beat Jeff

So... do you just sit Jeff? Doesn't seem in his nature but I guess we'll find out later

RE: Of course I have a wedding Friday night for the  
Chris684 : 10/5/2022 7:09 am : link
In comment 15846846 Chris684 said:
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first Met playoff game in 6 years.

With the way the matchups are though you have to figure the Mets/Padres will be in either the 4pm range or 9pm range for start time right?

I’d guess the lineup will be TB/Cle early followed by M’s/Jays, Phils/Cards and Mets/Pads in that order.


Actually won’t be 9pm from Citi but I’ll be curious to see the schedule MLB comes up with
I know many don't think so on this thread right now but the Mets  
Jimmy Googs : 10/5/2022 8:41 am : link
had a superb season. Way, way above expectations. Not easy to navigate 100 wins in any year with any roster of ballplayers. The Braves were just relentless as summer kicked off as shown in the charts Optimus-NY posted above, and they never cooled off.

And in no way is it over for New York. A year ago very few here in Atlanta had much hope for the Braves to make it to the promised land but some good pitching and a handful of epic at bats got them thru it.

Look forward to a good postseason of watching who comes out of the NL...
Does anyone know when they will announce the game times?  
figgy2989 : 10/5/2022 8:43 am : link
Sitting on pins and needles for the Saturday game time.
RE: McNeil with a nice lead for Batting Title  
Snablats : 10/5/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15846852 moze1021 said:
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McNeil: .32645
Freeman: .32236

Freeman needs to go 4-4 today to beat Jeff

So... do you just sit Jeff? Doesn't seem in his nature but I guess we'll find out later

He should sit because he needs the two day rest, just like the other regulars
RE: I know many don't think so on this thread right now but the Mets  
CooperDash : 10/5/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15846903 Jimmy Googs said:
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had a superb season. Way, way above expectations. Not easy to navigate 100 wins in any year with any roster of ballplayers. The Braves were just relentless as summer kicked off as shown in the charts Optimus-NY posted above, and they never cooled off.

And in no way is it over for New York. A year ago very few here in Atlanta had much hope for the Braves to make it to the promised land but some good pitching and a handful of epic at bats got them thru it.

Look forward to a good postseason of watching who comes out of the NL...


Yes, of course. While there are things you can complain about, it’s hard to be too down about a team that wins 100 games.

I don’t think that I would have signed up for it to go down the way it did, but the bottom line is that we are a damn good team. They have a really tough road ahead of the…so let’s see what damage they can do.
It was definitely a good year  
Vanzetti : 10/5/2022 11:05 am : link
I think the thing that troubles me is that the front office did not facilitate success.

No need to rehash other than to say the handling of Alvarez was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.


RE: It was definitely a good year  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15847115 Vanzetti said:
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I think the thing that troubles me is that the front office did not facilitate success.

No need to rehash other than to say the handling of Alvarez was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.



+1. Would you guys agree that there seemed to be a bit of a conflict of interests in the Mets' front office with Sandy and his son along with Eppler and Buck? Vientos and Alvarez should have been called up a long time ago, so that Alvarez's at bats in Atlanta wouldn't be the first ones he swung during the regular season.
RE: McNeil with a nice lead for Batting Title  
moze1021 : 10/5/2022 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15846852 moze1021 said:
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McNeil: .32645
Freeman: .32236

Freeman needs to go 4-4 today to beat Jeff

So... do you just sit Jeff? Doesn't seem in his nature but I guess we'll find out later


I had a slight rounding/truncation error in above

McNeil: 0.32645
Freeman: 0.32237

If McNeil goes 0-0... Freeman needs 4-4

If McNeil goes 0-1... Freeman needs 4-4
If McNeil goes 1-1... Freeman needs 5-5

If McNeil goes 0-2... Freeman needs 3-3
If McNeil goes 1-2... Freeman needs 5-5

If McNeil goes 0-3... Freeman needs 3-3
If McNeil goes 1-3... Freeman needs 4-4
If McNeil goes 2-3... Freeman needs 6-6
If McNeil goes 3-3... Freeman needs 8-8

If McNeil goes 0-4... Freeman needs 2-2
If McNeil goes 1-4... Freeman needs 4-4
If McNeil goes 2-4... Freeman needs 5-5
If McNeil goes 3-4... Freeman needs 7-7
If McNeil goes 4-4... Freeman needs 9-9

So really no risk at all in giving Jeff a start.. if he gets a hit in his 1st AB, he basically forces a 5-5 day for Freddie... but if he is hitless in that 1 AB, it changes nothing
I can't believe I missed one..  
moze1021 : 10/5/2022 12:53 pm : link
If McNeil goes 2-2... Freeman needs 6-6

Thank you moze!  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 1:00 pm : link
I'd give McNeil the start at 2B today (the Mets are short on middle infielders now). He's a gamer and wants to play. I'd give him one or two at-bats and then pull him in the early to middle innings and then bring in Escobar off the bench to play second base (I'd sit Escobar to start the day at 3B and give Vientos the start there).
If the Mets win Game 1 vs SD  
Metnut : 10/5/2022 1:12 pm : link
would you start Bassit in Game 2? Then, if you lose Game 2, you could start Scherzer in Game 3. If you win Game 2, you'd have Scherzer able to go Game 1 and Game 5 vs LAD. Seems like the upside to that is a lot more than the downside.
Wildcard schedule has been announced:  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 1:17 pm : link


MLB Postseason schedule


Wild Card Series game times announced - mlb.com - 12 minutes ago - Thomas Harrigan (@HarriganMLB) - ( New Window )
If a Game 3 is necessary on Sunday, then the time could change:  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 1:22 pm : link
WILD CARD SERIES (ALL TIMES ET)
Friday, Oct. 7
Rays @ Guardians, Game 1, 12:07 p.m., ESPN
Phillies @ Cardinals, Game 1, 2:07 p.m., ABC
Mariners @ Blue Jays, Game 1, 4:07 p.m., ESPN
Padres @ Mets, Game 1, 8:07 p.m., ESPN

Saturday, Oct. 8
Rays @ Guardians, Game 2, 12:07 p.m., ESPN2
Mariners @ Blue Jays, Game 2, 4:07 p.m., ESPN
Padres @ Mets, Game 2, 7:37 p.m., ESPN
Phillies @ Cardinals, Game 2, 8:37 p.m., ESPN2

Sunday, Oct. 9
Mariners @ Blue Jays, Game 3, 2:07 p.m., ABC (if necessary)
Rays @ Guardians, Game 3, 4:07 p.m., ESPN (if necessary)
Padres @ Mets, Game 3, 7:37 p.m., ESPN (if necessary)
Phillies @ Cardinals, Game 3, 8:37 p.m., ESPN2 (if necessary)

For Any Three-Game Scenarios on Sunday

1. If the TB @ CLE series is over:
a.) SEA @ TOR remains as scheduled.
b.) SD @ NYM moves to 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN)
c.) PHI @ STL moves to 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 8:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN2)

2.) If the SEA @ TOR series is over, then there are no changes to the original schedule.

3.) If the PHI @ STL series is over, then there are no changes to the original schedule.

4. If the SD @ NYM series is over:
a.) SEA @ TOR and TB @ CLE remain as scheduled.
b.) PHI @ STL moves to 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 8:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN2)

For Any Two-Game Scenarios on Sunday

1. If the TB @ CLE and SEA @ TOR series end:
a.) SD @ NYM moves to 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN)
b.) PHI @ STL moves to 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 8:30 pm ET on ESPN2)

2. If the SEA @ TOR and SD @ NYM series end:
a.) TB @ CLE will remain at 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN
b.) PHI @ STL moves to 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 8:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN2)

3. If the TB @ CLE and SD @ NYM series end:
a.) SEA @ TOR moves to 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 2:00 p.m. (ET) on ABC)
b.) PHI @ STL moves to 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN2)

4. If the SD @ NYM and PHI @ STL series end:
a.) SEA @ TOR moves to 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 2:00 p.m. (ET) on ABC)
b.) TB @ CLE moves to 7:30 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN)

5. If the SEA @ TOR and PHI @ STL series end, then there are no changes to the TB @ CLE and SD @ NYM game times.

6. If the TB @ CLE and PHI @ STL series end:
a.) SEA @ TOR moves to 4:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN (instead of 2:00 p.m. (ET) on ABC)
b.) SD @ NYM will remain scheduled at 7:30 p.m. (ET)

For Any One-Game Scenario on Sunday

1. If there is only one game, it will be scheduled at 7:00 p.m. (ET) on ESPN.


Wild Card Series game times announced - mlb.com - 20 minutes ago - by Thomas Harrigan (@HarriganMLB) - ( New Window )
It's not exactly how we wanted it  
pjcas18 : 10/5/2022 1:24 pm : link
but playoff baseball is playoff baseball and I am looking forward to it.
So basically, Game 3 can be changed to 4 pm EST on ESPN  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 1:25 pm : link
if needed from the originally scheduled 7:37 pm EST start. Games 1 and 2 though are set in stone with respect to their scheduled starting times (pending weather of course).
Trevor Williams is getting the start for the Mets later today:  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 1:32 pm : link
It'll probably be a bullpen game with Williams starting it off in a little over two and a half hours from now. I'll start a thread for it in about two hours.




Probable Starting pitchers today for Nats at Mets - October 5, 2022 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: It was definitely a good year  
Snablats : 10/5/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15847193 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15847115 Vanzetti said:


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I think the thing that troubles me is that the front office did not facilitate success.

No need to rehash other than to say the handling of Alvarez was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.





+1. Would you guys agree that there seemed to be a bit of a conflict of interests in the Mets' front office with Sandy and his son along with Eppler and Buck? Vientos and Alvarez should have been called up a long time ago, so that Alvarez's at bats in Atlanta wouldn't be the first ones he swung during the regular season.

I said it earlier on this thread - a hallmark of Alderson is indecision. In trades and in callups. He constantly left the bench shorthanded while trying to decide whether or not to put players on the DL, while other GMs complained about how hard he is to trade with because he would take forever to make decisions

The handling of the minor leaguers is just another piece of evidence that Alderson has been running the show
I agree Snablats  
Optimus-NY : 10/5/2022 1:54 pm : link
What do you make of Sandy no longer being the President next season and just being a consultant to the owner? Who are the Mets going to go after for that role? Stearns in Milwaukee?
No McNeil in the lineup!  
moze1021 : 10/5/2022 2:25 pm : link
Freeman IS in the Dodgers lineup

He needs to go 4-4 to overtake Jeff
RE: No McNeil in the lineup!  
moze1021 : 10/5/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15847467 moze1021 said:
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Freeman IS in the Dodgers lineup

He needs to go 4-4 to overtake Jeff


5-6 or 5-7 would get it done too mathematically so making an out or 2 doesn't technically end it, but practically not really feasible

RE: I agree Snablats  
Snablats : 10/5/2022 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15847402 Optimus-NY said:
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What do you make of Sandy no longer being the President next season and just being a consultant to the owner? Who are the Mets going to go after for that role? Stearns in Milwaukee?

The Milwaukee owner hates big market teams and has never let Stearns interview. Maybe Stearns can finally talk him into it

Other than that, I dont want the guys from KC and Texas who were canned this season

It seems Alderson will lead this process, which would be bad
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