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NFT: Nats @ Mets - Doubleheader - Games 1 & 2

Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:01 pm
Game 1: Carrasco (NYM) vs. Abbott (WASH)
Game 2: Walker (NYM) vs. Espino (WASH)


We've got a doubleheader with questionable weather today in Flushing, with Game 1 scheduled to start in about ten minutes, pending of course any further delays due to inclement weather (we can keep comments & discussion for both games on this thread).

The Braves have a magic number of 1 to win the division, so there will be three chances for that to happen today between their game in Miami later and the Mets' two games today in Queens. Let's see what happens. The odds are overwhelmingly in the Braves' favor (92%) according to PlayoffStatus.com.

Let's see what happens with the Phillies and Padres too today. The odds are that the Mets will play San Diego (84%), but don't be surprised to see Philly slide in there on the last day since there's only one game separating them now and also because Philly has the tie-breaker between themselves and San Diego since they won the season series against them. Things are still up in the air other than the identity of the 12 playoff teams. The Brewers were eliminated yesterday when the Phillies won against Houston and clinched a playoff berth of their own.



October 4, 2022 - Nats at Mets - Doubleheader: Game 1

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Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:05 pm : link
Nats @ Mets - 4:10 pm start from Flushing - TV: Mets' telecast - SNY(Gary & Zeile)


Nats @ Mets - 4:10 pm start from Flushing - TV: Nationals' telecast

This game will start on time in a couple of minutes.  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:06 pm : link
Braves and Marlins will start in Miami in about two and a half hours at around 6:40 pm EST.
Sorry  
Spider43 : 10/4/2022 4:10 pm : link
But we don't deserve the division. We deserve to go the long way round. Bitches need to take their medicine. So gimme' a Braves win, if we're gonna' mess around and win both games of the doubleheader. Only half joking...
I'm sure the Braves will put the division to bed tonight  
Chris684 : 10/4/2022 4:14 pm : link
and even if they don't, sweeping doubleheaders is tough, but let's assume for some reason this drags into the final day.

I don't think you can throw one of the big 3 ahead of the still very likely WC round. I think if they're going to win the division (a minor miracle at this point) they'll need to do it by leaving the pitching in tact for the very likely worse case scenario of opening the playoffs on Friday.
Is this going to be another  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 4:16 pm : link
Bad Carrasco 1si inning? Why maintain any suspense about our wildcard status?
RE: Sorry  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15846121 Spider43 said:
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But we don't deserve the division. We deserve to go the long way round. Bitches need to take their medicine. So gimme' a Braves win, if we're gonna' mess around and win both games of the doubleheader. Only half joking...


I agree. The Mets need to be put out of their misery and the Braves need to end this too for their benefit. Yesterday the Braves must have been off their game after the drama this past weekend.
RE: I'm sure the Braves will put the division to bed tonight  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15846129 Chris684 said:
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and even if they don't, sweeping doubleheaders is tough, but let's assume for some reason this drags into the final day.

I don't think you can throw one of the big 3 ahead of the still very likely WC round. I think if they're going to win the division (a minor miracle at this point) they'll need to do it by leaving the pitching in tact for the very likely worse case scenario of opening the playoffs on Friday.


+1. Exactly.
If the Mets somehow end up with a true win and clinch division game  
Metnut : 10/4/2022 4:28 pm : link
(would basically require a rainout tonight and a doubleheader tomorrow), I’d treat it as Game 7 and go all in. Can’t burn one of your top guys if you still need help from ATL to win it though.
Alvarez should get the start at Catcher tomorrow.  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 4:51 pm : link
Peterson should start tomorrow, hopefully for 6 innings or so, no matter what happens in these three games today being played by the Mets and Braves. Here's the matchup in Miami in a little less than two hours form now:

No offense, but if by some miracle, the Mets sweep the DH and Braves  
butler : 10/4/2022 5:02 pm : link
lose today and Buck doesn't go all in tomorrow with the chance to hand the Braves the kind of historical disgraceful collapse that we can crow about for years, and get us a division championship and a bye I'm gonna punch him in the face.
RE: No offense, but if by some miracle, the Mets sweep the DH and Braves  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15846229 butler said:
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lose today and Buck doesn't go all in tomorrow with the chance to hand the Braves the kind of historical disgraceful collapse that we can crow about for years, and get us a division championship and a bye I'm gonna punch him in the face.


LOL. I feel the same way. It woud be historic.
If the Mets do get both games in today  
Chris684 : 10/4/2022 5:20 pm : link
And they stay alive until tomorrow, both their game and Atlanta’s start at the same time tomorrow afternoon.

You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.
I’d view that as a playoff game  
Shecky : 10/4/2022 5:24 pm : link
And go balls to the wall, personally
Ah, c'mon, how can you take that pitch?  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 5:25 pm : link
It was right down the middle.
RE: If the Mets do get both games in today  
butler : 10/4/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15846250 Chris684 said:
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And they stay alive until tomorrow, both their game and Atlanta’s start at the same time tomorrow afternoon.

You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.


In comment 15846250 Chris684 said:
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You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.


The Mets haven't won a World Series since I was in high school. I would rather not risk throwing away a miracle division win. You need to help create your own luck and not just settle for second place because we are too used to things not going our way.
RE: If the Mets do get both games in today  
allstarjim : 10/4/2022 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15846250 Chris684 said:
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And they stay alive until tomorrow, both their game and Atlanta’s start at the same time tomorrow afternoon.

You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.


I agree. Allow me to add, you pitch Jake tomorrow and he doesn't pitch at all in the WC series. You're not going to pitch Jake on short rest in a series deciding game when he hasn't been sharp recently and given his injuries the last two seasons.

You should be able to win against the worst team in baseball with Peterson, Megill, bullpen game, whatever. And just let the chips fall where they may.

If you would really go into that Padres series without being able to pitch Jake, it's just not a good idea.
Well done Nimmo!  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 5:45 pm : link
4-0 in the 4th now with that homer. The Mets need to get off the snide and shake off the bad vibes from the Atlanta sweep. Winning always helps. Coming back home and getting used to the weather up here is also important.
RE: RE: If the Mets do get both games in today  
allstarjim : 10/4/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15846263 butler said:
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And they stay alive until tomorrow, both their game and Atlanta’s start at the same time tomorrow afternoon.

You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.



In comment 15846250 Chris684 said:


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You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.



The Mets haven't won a World Series since I was in high school. I would rather not risk throwing away a miracle division win. You need to help create your own luck and not just settle for second place because we are too used to things not going our way.


The risk is that the Braves win against a far inferior opponent making that start meaningless, and not having Jake at all for a do-or-die 3 game series against a really good San Diego ball club.

You should be able to beat the Nats with Peterson/Megill.

And there's always the chance you pitch Jake, don't get run support even if he pitches well, and lose anyway.

The Mets are in this spot because they shot themselves in Atlanta. Now they need to wear it, and you go win that ball game assuming it's not going to matter, because you need Jake in a short series.
RE: RE: If the Mets do get both games in today  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15846277 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15846250 Chris684 said:


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And they stay alive until tomorrow, both their game and Atlanta’s start at the same time tomorrow afternoon.

You can’t risk Jake throwing 7 innings only to watch the Braves win and have him burned for Friday.



I agree. Allow me to add, you pitch Jake tomorrow and he doesn't pitch at all in the WC series. You're not going to pitch Jake on short rest in a series deciding game when he hasn't been sharp recently and given his injuries the last two seasons.

You should be able to win against the worst team in baseball with Peterson, Megill, bullpen game, whatever. And just let the chips fall where they may.

If you would really go into that Padres series without being able to pitch Jake, it's just not a good idea.


+1. Exactly, especially since the Nats look like they're gonna mail these games in.
Still gotta win  
allstarjim : 10/4/2022 5:58 pm : link
2 games tonight
Would be great if the Marlins would throw Alcantra tomorrow  
Metnut : 10/4/2022 5:59 pm : link
but I think they are resting him the rest of the year.

While starting DeGrom tomorrow would make him unavailable for the wild card series, if you can somehow make it through that, you'd be able to start Degrom in games 1 and 5 of the NLDS on full rest @LAD (if you make it there), and still get a Scherzer and Bassit start in that series.
Carrasco sure does seem to be falling off a cliff early recently in  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 5:59 pm : link
his starts. We're gonna need one of either himself or Walker to start in the playoffs, particularly in the NLDS--if the Mets are the WC and get that far of course--since deGrom and Scherzer would have already pitched in the WC round.
RE: Carrasco sure does seem to be falling off a cliff early recently in  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15846295 Optimus-NY said:
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his starts. We're gonna need one of either himself or Walker to start in the playoffs, particularly in the NLDS--if the Mets are the WC and get that far of course--since deGrom and Scherzer would have already pitched in the WC round.


I was just thinking the same thing about Carrasco. He and Walker both seem pretty unreliable in the 2nd half of this season.
If they lose this game, after being ahead 4-0, with so much at stake,  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 6:07 pm : link
Ir would be a microcosm of the whole year. I really wonder about Bucky, and why he has been so ineffectual in influencing this slide.
RE: Carrasco sure does seem to be falling off a cliff early recently in  
Metnut : 10/4/2022 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15846295 Optimus-NY said:
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his starts. We're gonna need one of either himself or Walker to start in the playoffs, particularly in the NLDS--if the Mets are the WC and get that far of course--since deGrom and Scherzer would have already pitched in the WC round.


It's hard to have any confidence in him facing LAD or ATL in the playoffs. Wonder if we'd be better off rolling the dice with Walker or Peterson. Unfortunately, not sure if Peterson is stretched out.

I could see the Mets just going with a full bullpen game and trying to match Walker/Carrasco/Peterson/Megill to try and keep the damage from getting out of hand.
Braves @ Marlins game starts in a little less than half an hour...  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 6:14 pm : link
I'd trust Peterson over Carrasco at this point w/regards to making a  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 6:28 pm : link
start in the playoffs, if it comes to it. IF the Mets are the QC and get through that round, they might have to start someone who isn't in their Top 3 in Game 1 in LA a week form now, especially if the WC round goes three games, and all three of their Big three pitch in that series. My guess right now is that Walker would be the one, but not far behind him would be Peterson. Cookie is officially sus at this point.
Bassitt was a real disappointment in a must win game  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2022 6:33 pm : link
Let up 4 runs and did not make it out of the third inning

Really poor performance in a big spot. Jake and Max were disappointing but still turned in quality starts. Bassitt was a dog
Playoff brackets as of now:  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 6:35 pm : link
RE: Bassitt was a real disappointment in a must win game  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15846331 Vanzetti said:
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Let up 4 runs and did not make it out of the third inning

Really poor performance in a big spot. Jake and Max were disappointing but still turned in quality starts. Bassitt was a dog


He really was. No two ways about it. Peterson needs to be in the Mets' starting rotation next season no matter what at this point.
RE: RE: Bassitt was a real disappointment in a must win game  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2022 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15846336 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15846331 Vanzetti said:


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Let up 4 runs and did not make it out of the third inning

Really poor performance in a big spot. Jake and Max were disappointing but still turned in quality starts. Bassitt was a dog



He really was. No two ways about it. Peterson needs to be in the Mets' starting rotation next season no matter what at this point.


I'm starting to think that all four of the unsigned guys--Jake, Bassitt, Carrasco and Walker--are not locks to be back.

Hope they hold onto Jake, despite the injury risk. It could come down to how he performs in postseason.
Here are links to the Braves-Marlins game now underway in the 1st:  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 6:47 pm : link
Marlins have won 9 of the last 14.

Braves at Marlins - 6:40 pm EST start from Miami - Marlins' TV feed

Braves at Marlins - 6:40 pm EST start from Miami - Braves' TV feed


Gameday Box Score - mlb.com - Braves @ Marlins - 10.4.22 - 6:40 PM EST from Miami - ( New Window )
Joely's last 7 games  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2022 6:49 pm : link
8.2 IP
2 hits
11 Ks
0 BBs
If the Mets finish second in the division and get the #4 seed  
Metnut : 10/4/2022 6:52 pm : link
and play STL in the NLCS, who would get home field advantage?
RE: If the Mets finish second in the division and get the #4 seed  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2022 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15846358 Metnut said:
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and play STL in the NLCS, who would get home field advantage?


Mets would be 4 seed and play Padres (5 seed)
Padres rotation is set  
Vanzetti : 10/4/2022 7:06 pm : link
Darvish
Snell
Musgrove

It's a tough match up, especially with Met-killer Juan Soto in the lineup. Thank God Tatis is suspended.
RE: If the Mets finish second in the division and get the #4 seed  
Chris684 : 10/4/2022 7:15 pm : link
In comment 15846358 Metnut said:
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and play STL in the NLCS, who would get home field advantage?


I don’t know for sure but I’m assuming the division winner and higher seed, so STL
McNeil  
pjcas18 : 10/4/2022 7:18 pm : link
leading MLB in batting average.

Alonso leading in RBI
Nice win.  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 7:26 pm : link
Good to get off the schneid. 1 down another to go today, no matter what the Braves do to day. It's good to win again.
Top of the 4th - Atlanta 1, Miami 0  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 7:43 pm : link
Let's keep an eye out for this.
I’ve decided today I want the Phillies  
Chris684 : 10/4/2022 7:44 pm : link
over the Pads.

Darvish and Soto are Met killers
RE: I’ve decided today I want the Phillies  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15846434 Chris684 said:
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over the Pads.

Darvish and Soto are Met killers


Darvish scares the shit outta me.
RE: I’ve decided today I want the Phillies  
moze1021 : 10/4/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15846434 Chris684 said:
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over the Pads.

Darvish and Soto are Met killers


Ok but the way my brain works...if we lose to Padres it sucks...if we lose to Phillies it absolutely ruins me for years and years
RE: Padres rotation is set  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15846382 Vanzetti said:
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Darvish
Snell
Musgrove

It's a tough match up, especially with Met-killer Juan Soto in the lineup. Thank God Tatis is suspended.


That series scares the shit outta me man. I don't have any kind of overwhelming confidence facing them.
Here are the lineups & pitchers for Game 2 of the DH tonight:  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 8:03 pm : link


October 4, 2022 - DH Game 2 - Starting Lineups & Pitchers
Braves up, 2-1  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 8:11 pm : link
Top 5th
Here's a link for the game:  
Optimus-NY : 10/4/2022 8:12 pm : link
TV links to follow in a bit...


Gameday Box Score - mlb.com - Nats @ Mets - Game #2 of Double header - ( New Window )
Sure, NOW  
Dennis : 10/4/2022 8:25 pm : link
they start hitting!
RE: RE: I’ve decided today I want the Phillies  
Chris684 : 10/4/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15846444 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15846434 Chris684 said:


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over the Pads.

Darvish and Soto are Met killers



Ok but the way my brain works...if we lose to Padres it sucks...if we lose to Phillies it absolutely ruins me for years and years


Very true. Our regular season ownership of the Phillies worries me too. A lot of times the worm turns in the playoffs
What a shame this is  
moze1021 : 10/4/2022 8:35 pm : link
That these games probably meaningless
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