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Sitting Jones tactically is probably smarter anyways

MeanBunny : 10/4/2022 7:13 pm
Regardless of Jones injury, playing him hobbled is probably not smart. Give him 2 full weeks to recover mobility. If he was a pocket passer maybe it's OK, but his rushing is his best asset.
Send in the conscripts, we really had a slim chance anyway with the other injuries, and maybe by the time Jones recovers the paperweight KT is ready and the other guys on defense are ready to go for more winnable ventures. I would even pull Saquon if the game looks bad at halftime. If we do win somehow, then there's your new QB. I mean Davis Webb managed the offense pretty well in preseason.
If we can pull out a decent competitive effort with the REPLACEMENTS, Daboll is gonna be coach of the year with this rag tag crew

Jones has to be mobile to play. Maybe he doesn’t have to be able to  
Ivan15 : 10/4/2022 7:18 pm : link
Break off a 20 yard run but he has to be able to move around and roll out to his right.
So if I understand you correctly ...  
DefenseWins : 10/4/2022 7:21 pm : link
If we play a backup QB on Sunday and we win, that backup is the new starter ?

With that logic if we replqce Barkley as you suggest and we win, then our backup QB is the new starter too?

Jones can pass from the pocket if they give him  
Blue21 : 10/4/2022 7:29 pm : link
one. Last year I thought Garrett and Judge should roll him out more because our Oline was terrible at pass protection. So far this year they haven't been much better so Kafka has him rolling out more. Daboll even the other day when asked said Jones can pass from the pocket. Obviously didn't want to throw his oline under the bus but anyone whose watched these games know why he's rolling out. He's one of the most pressured QBs in the league.
It was kind of a joke...  
MeanBunny : 10/4/2022 7:32 pm : link
Will be interesting problem if backup to backups can defeat the Packers, especially if the QB can start connecting with WRs. We are prone to blaming WRs all the time for the ills of the offense but I saw a few points where Jones fails to scan fast enough and the corners close in on receivers. Jones actually did some good slice and dice passes early in season but the long game is toast. We are no fast enough.
I think, if we win, and offense is productive that Jones doesn't need to start everytime. That's a big if, probably will not happen anyways.
But if we are serious about Jones as starter I wouldn't put his neck in the chopping block for this game
I was talking with my Dad about this today  
Jimmy Meatballs : 10/4/2022 7:35 pm : link
Tactically, you are probably right. Jones without mobility historically will not work out well. It will be a really tough game to win and there is a decent chance he either hurts himself worse or, at best, it takes him longer to get back to full strength without the extra rest.

Strategically, though, you have a QB you are trying to assess in a contract year. If his ankle is reasonably stable, there’s a case to be made to roll him out there and see what he can do. Hypothetically, a franchise QB should be able to keep the team competitive without full mobility. Even if Taylor cleared protocol and Webb looked decent in preseason. It’s an evaluation year.
I say  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/4/2022 7:49 pm : link
Start Webb and have jones active on the bench if needed.
RE: I was talking with my Dad about this today  
dancing blue bear : 10/4/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15846419 Jimmy Meatballs said:
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Tactically, you are probably right. Jones without mobility historically will not work out well. It will be a really tough game to win and there is a decent chance he either hurts himself worse or, at best, it takes him longer to get back to full strength without the extra rest.

Strategically, though, you have a QB you are trying to assess in a contract year. If his ankle is reasonably stable, there’s a case to be made to roll him out there and see what he can do. Hypothetically, a franchise QB should be able to keep the team competitive without full mobility. Even if Taylor cleared protocol and Webb looked decent in preseason. It’s an evaluation year.


agreed.

part of the negative on jones was the injuries. gotta learn to play through it, if possible.

Ironically he has done a good job protecting himself...sliding, going OOB, throwing the ball away. then he gets hurt in the pocket. that's baseball, susan.

Eli didn't get hurt often, but when he did, he kept on truckin.
Daboll will play  
joeinpa : 10/4/2022 8:04 pm : link
Whomever he believes gives him the best chance to win.
Without a solid pocket  
thrunthrublue : 10/4/2022 8:10 pm : link
Jones will get mugged, and possibly still hurt his ankle yet again……time for spidey webb to run the offense.
Eli didn't get hurt often, but when he did, he kept on truckin.  
MeanBunny : 10/4/2022 8:35 pm : link
Eli knew how to fall and when to dive and when it was worth taking a big hit. In martial arts falling is just as important as making somebody fall.
If Daniel Jones is really the the quarterback that you want for the long haul in this season I would not throw him in a game that is probably not winnable and save him for the more winnable games in your weight class as Carl Banks used to say.
Bolt Jones and tyrod Taylor are prone to running as a second line of defense. I wonder if Davis Webb can run this offense from the pocket a little better but it really depends on the offensive line. Again he looked pretty commanding in preseason but he was also playing scrubs too
Davis Webb actually looked good and in command  
mattlawson : 10/4/2022 8:51 pm : link
He knows the plays. The issue is the OL pass blocking is not a stength and the WR group is now worse than what we had in camp.

To be totally honest - I’d love it if they came out in wildcat for the first quarter and then put Webb in for the second quarter and beyond to just totally fuck with the packers
I don't think  
santacruzom : 10/4/2022 10:04 pm : link
the pending availability of Toney should be a factor. Better to just assume he'll never play.
RE: So if I understand you correctly ...  
BSIMatt : 10/4/2022 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15846406 DefenseWins said:
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If we play a backup QB on Sunday and we win, that backup is the new starter ?



That was my favorite part. He just calmly slid that in there, no explanation, that’s just “how it is”.
To play a 50% Jones  
5BowlsSoon : 10/4/2022 10:09 pm : link
Is stoo-pid!

I would be shocked to see him play.
Doubt Giants clear Taylor  
Breeze_94 : 10/5/2022 1:25 am : link
after that debacle in Miami..

Chances are its Davis Webb if Jones can't go. Really liked the way he ran the offense in the preseason and I trust this staff to put him in a position to succeed.

That said, I don't think they have much of a shot beating Rodgers and a very good defense with their 3rd string QB. Then again, you never know- this is the same Packers team that almost lost to a 3rd string QB at home last week.
All this Webb  
PakistanPete : 10/5/2022 6:34 am : link
hopefulness feels Glennon-esque to me.

If DJ can't play, so be it. Go Webb!

But if DJ healthy enough to play as a pocket passer, I'm not exactly sure why we're trying to save him.

Seems like another chance to find something out with not a whole lot to lose in the grand scheme.
RE: All this Webb  
5BowlsSoon : 10/5/2022 7:15 am : link
In comment 15846850 PakistanPete said:
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hopefulness feels Glennon-esque to me.

If DJ can't play, so be it. Go Webb!

But if DJ healthy enough to play as a pocket passer, I'm not exactly sure why we're trying to save him.

Seems like another chance to find something out with not a whole lot to lose in the grand scheme.


We all know a large part of DJ’s success comes in the RPO, especially when he can take off when he sees the opening. If he can’t do that, why risk the chance of an immobile qb under a heavy rush? That is not logical. Webb showed us this preseason that he can move around in the pocket.
Hopefully Daboll is smart enough to reach out to Judge  
Jimmy Googs : 10/5/2022 8:12 am : link
who had this same dilemma with Jones versus the Arizona Cardinals two years ago.

Just follow his lead...
RE: All this Webb  
Ron Johnson : 10/5/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15846850 PakistanPete said:
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hopefulness feels Glennon-esque to me.

If DJ can't play, so be it. Go Webb!

But if DJ healthy enough to play as a pocket passer, I'm not exactly sure why we're trying to save him.

Seems like another chance to find something out with not a whole lot to lose in the grand scheme.


This. Jones is the quarterback. If he can go he goes. Our guys will have a game plan that can work.

There are only 17 games we can't be giving any away. It's GB after all, not the 85 Bears.
We've already seen the Giants play a tough defensive team.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/5/2022 9:03 am : link
They aren't good enough to line up and play dropback passing offense to beat someone. They have to be able to run the ball in different ways to have a chance, including QB runs.
RE: RE: All this Webb  
PakistanPete : 10/5/2022 9:04 am : link
In comment 15846857 5BowlsSoon said:
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We all know a large part of DJ’s success comes in the RPO, especially when he can take off when he sees the opening. If he can’t do that, why risk the chance of an immobile qb under a heavy rush? That is not logical. Webb showed us this preseason that he can move around in the pocket.


Webb wasn't playing notable talent or a gameplan.

What exactly are we risking? The season?

Shouldn't we be swinging for a home run with DJ with the consultation prize being better draft position?

If we're playing Webb simply to protect this season, I think that's a mistake.
I don’t understand this logic  
Bleedblue10 : 10/5/2022 10:51 am : link
That everyone should sit and we concede this game. We’re playing a decent not great packers team. They are better than we are but they don’t scare anyone and shouldn’t scare us. If Jones can play he should. What you guys are suggesting is ridiculous and the kind of shit that has made us a bad team going on 10 years
For years this team has been made up of losers  
Bleedblue10 : 10/5/2022 10:52 am : link
I didn’t realize the fan base was cut from the same cloth
RE: To play a 50% Jones  
BigBlueShock : 10/5/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15846711 5BowlsSoon said:
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Is stoo-pid!

I would be shocked to see him play.

Where did you see that Jones is only 50%?
RE: I don’t understand this logic  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/5/2022 11:22 am : link
In comment 15847088 Bleedblue10 said:
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What you guys are suggesting is ridiculous and the kind of shit that has made us a bad team going on 10 years


How does this apply to what's made the Giants bad? When have the Giants sat players or conceded anything other than Judge calling QB sneaks in one tragic game.

They're bad because they lacked talent and coaching, not because they chose to sit a compromised player.
If Jones gets really hurt  
MeanBunny : 10/5/2022 12:59 pm : link
And coaches think he is the "one" then it's silly to throw him in when he cannot run RPOs and boots and get him clobbered for a game that is probably a loss. If they wanna test him as a statue pocket passer, OK, but the O-Line is horrible and he is gonna get killed either way. He needs to be able to defend himself
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