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Giantimistic : 10/4/2022 8:22 pm
The following happens:

-the online continuous to improve and gel. Maybe Ezudo takes over or Shane comes back. Maybe Gates gets activated and plays close to his old self.

-Barkley stays healthy and gets more involved in the pass game

-Leonard Williams comes back and our edges get in game shape. Williams and Dex pushing the middle with Thibs and Ojulari coming around the edge could be a top 10 or better Dline

-Corners get and stay healthy and continue to improve.

-I think we are seeing about what we will get from our LBs for the rest of the season.

-special teams improves to be more consistent.

-Jones stays healthy and they continue to use his running as a major game factor. With better online play he starts to have time in the pocket. He starts to deliver on an above avg, top 15 level.

-and probably most importantly, we get Toney and Wan’Dale healthy, and get some production out of the WRs

Although many of these things may not happen and many will say most won’t happen, but as the optimist, if they do, do we get into the playoffs? I think a lot of these things can happen, plus our schedule, I think we can get in. Although I am an optimist, the one thing that derails us is what is already happening—injuries. I think we don’t have the depth to sustain More injuries.

Lots of “ifs” but you are right. Almost all those things can happen  
Ivan15 : 10/4/2022 8:26 pm : link
But if someone doesn’t step up as a WR, there won’t be any playoffs.

Giants need to find someone with an unhappy #4 WR who can get separation who is willing to take a 7th round pick.
Find me 7 teams in the NFC that  
Breeze_94 : 10/4/2022 8:53 pm : link
look like playoff caliber teams

1. Philly
2. San Francisco
3. Tampa Bay
4. Green Bay (simply because of Rodgers + defense because they haven't been impressive)

After those 4?

Rams look bad. Cowboys I'm not sold on. Vikings? Cardinals?

Bottom line is the NFC Wild Card spots are WIDE open.

I think Giants can make it based on their 3-1 start and the fact that their schedule lines up very nicely. They need to stay healthy- Saquon, DJ, Leo, Dex, AT, Thibs, Azeez, Jackson, Neal and McKinney especially...those guys are the key to this team.

I like some of the vets they've brought in to shore up weaknesses (Moreau at CB, Jaylon Smith & Klein at LB) and I think the oline is continuing to gel- remember that 3/5ths of this unit wasn't here last year, and even Bredeson played sparingly. DJ has also cut down on mistakes.

IMO what they need most, besides health, is for pass catchers to emerge. Really hoping that can be Toney & Wandale as they have the pedigree and skillsets to make an impact. Need them on the field and integrated into the offense. Besides those 2, hoping we can get more out of Slayton. He at least offers the speed to take the top off the defense and isn't too far removed from being the guy who had 1105 yards and 10 tds in the first 19 games of his career.
RE: Find me 7 teams in the NFC that  
GMen72 : 10/4/2022 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15846552 Breeze_94 said:
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look like playoff caliber teams

1. Philly
2. San Francisco
3. Tampa Bay
4. Green Bay (simply because of Rodgers + defense because they haven't been impressive)

After those 4?

Rams look bad. Cowboys I'm not sold on. Vikings? Cardinals?

Bottom line is the NFC Wild Card spots are WIDE open.

I think Giants can make it based on their 3-1 start and the fact that their schedule lines up very nicely. They need to stay healthy- Saquon, DJ, Leo, Dex, AT, Thibs, Azeez, Jackson, Neal and McKinney especially...those guys are the key to this team.

I like some of the vets they've brought in to shore up weaknesses (Moreau at CB, Jaylon Smith & Klein at LB) and I think the oline is continuing to gel- remember that 3/5ths of this unit wasn't here last year, and even Bredeson played sparingly. DJ has also cut down on mistakes.

IMO what they need most, besides health, is for pass catchers to emerge. Really hoping that can be Toney & Wandale as they have the pedigree and skillsets to make an impact. Need them on the field and integrated into the offense. Besides those 2, hoping we can get more out of Slayton. He at least offers the speed to take the top off the defense and isn't too far removed from being the guy who had 1105 yards and 10 tds in the first 19 games of his career.


Giants just lost to a Cowgirl team without their starting QB, but we're going to make the playoffs? We've beaten 2 (possibly 3) teams that won't make the playoffs.

This team has no chance to make the playoffs. Early in the tear, I'd have said the Lions, Seahawks, and Jags were wins...those games are crapshoots now. Houston is the only game the Giants should beat...every other game is 50/50, or worse. 7-10 is best case scenario with this offense...the odds Saquon stays healthy all year are low. Without him, this offense is the worst in football.

Injuries and wide receiver play  
SLIM_ : 10/4/2022 9:34 pm : link
If we stay relatively healthy or at least healthy at key positions AND we get slightly below average WR play, we will contend for a spot.

Conversely.

- Even without too many injuries, if we continue our WR play we will be lucky to win 6 games (and I know we have 3 wins already).
Yes  
joeinpa : 10/4/2022 9:37 pm : link
They are
There are lots of reasons we may get better as season progresses.  
kelly : 10/4/2022 10:39 pm : link
Jones getting more comfortable with the offense.

Rookies improving. Neal. Bellinger. Kt5,

Players returning to health. Toney, Robinson, Williams to name a few.

Wild card is possible. Stranger things have happened.

Finally, sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I get the feeling that the players like the coaches and their teammates chemistry in football can carry a team a long ways.
Health is #1  
PEEJ : 10/4/2022 10:41 pm : link
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It's a long season, and anything can happen  
NBGblue : 10/4/2022 11:24 pm : link
What with injuries to various teams and the NYG "soft" schedule. But, as things stand right now, you have to figure that Philly wins the East, GB the north, TB the South and LA/SF the West. Pencil in SF/LA, Dallas and Minny as the 3 wild cards. If it goes down that way, NYG are left on outside looking in at something like 9-8 (or could easily be 6-11, 7-10).

Again, maybe they pull some upsets, and maybe the other "bubble" teams flounder for whatever reasons, which gets NYG the 3rd Wild Card. But I'm not seeing it right now.
RE: RE: Find me 7 teams in the NFC that  
Breeze_94 : 10/5/2022 12:56 am : link
In comment 15846619 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15846552 Breeze_94 said:


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look like playoff caliber teams

1. Philly
2. San Francisco
3. Tampa Bay
4. Green Bay (simply because of Rodgers + defense because they haven't been impressive)

After those 4?

Rams look bad. Cowboys I'm not sold on. Vikings? Cardinals?

Bottom line is the NFC Wild Card spots are WIDE open.

I think Giants can make it based on their 3-1 start and the fact that their schedule lines up very nicely. They need to stay healthy- Saquon, DJ, Leo, Dex, AT, Thibs, Azeez, Jackson, Neal and McKinney especially...those guys are the key to this team.

I like some of the vets they've brought in to shore up weaknesses (Moreau at CB, Jaylon Smith & Klein at LB) and I think the oline is continuing to gel- remember that 3/5ths of this unit wasn't here last year, and even Bredeson played sparingly. DJ has also cut down on mistakes.

IMO what they need most, besides health, is for pass catchers to emerge. Really hoping that can be Toney & Wandale as they have the pedigree and skillsets to make an impact. Need them on the field and integrated into the offense. Besides those 2, hoping we can get more out of Slayton. He at least offers the speed to take the top off the defense and isn't too far removed from being the guy who had 1105 yards and 10 tds in the first 19 games of his career.



Giants just lost to a Cowgirl team without their starting QB, but we're going to make the playoffs? We've beaten 2 (possibly 3) teams that won't make the playoffs.

This team has no chance to make the playoffs. Early in the tear, I'd have said the Lions, Seahawks, and Jags were wins...those games are crapshoots now. Houston is the only game the Giants should beat...every other game is 50/50, or worse. 7-10 is best case scenario with this offense...the odds Saquon stays healthy all year are low. Without him, this offense is the worst in football.


3-1 but they have no shot at the playoffs, Saquon likely to get hurt, 4-9 finish best case scenario.

I don't get it- you're a fan of the team, they are showing signs of life for the first time in 6 years, but from the looks of it you'd think they are 0-4. Why can't we have a little hope & optimism as fans?

The Titans were the 1 seed in a loaded AFC last year and besides AJ Brown I don't think they had much more talent than the Giants do.

RE: RE: RE: Find me 7 teams in the NFC that  
BlackLight : 10/5/2022 1:37 am : link
In comment 15846821 Breeze_94 said:
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I don't get it- you're a fan of the team, they are showing signs of life for the first time in 6 years, but from the looks of it you'd think they are 0-4. Why can't we have a little hope & optimism as fans?



Because there's no point to it. It's mental masturbation. At the very least, wait for conditions to start breaking our way before we have a little of that hope and optimism as fans.

I'm happy we're 3-1, but four games is enough for sober-minded folks to see where the ceiling is on this team. Why assume that Barkley will probably miss time at some point this season? For the same reason we *don't* assume that Toney and Robinson have finally put the injury bug behind them. The history with these players (or their archetypes) doesn't make these the most likely outcomes.

Nothing about being a fan of this team (or any other) prevents one from being a clear-eyed realist about what our eyes are telling us is true.
RE: RE: RE: Find me 7 teams in the NFC that  
GMen72 : 10/5/2022 4:13 am : link
In comment 15846821 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 15846552 Breeze_94 said:


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look like playoff caliber teams

1. Philly
2. San Francisco
3. Tampa Bay
4. Green Bay (simply because of Rodgers + defense because they haven't been impressive)

After those 4?

Rams look bad. Cowboys I'm not sold on. Vikings? Cardinals?

Bottom line is the NFC Wild Card spots are WIDE open.

I think Giants can make it based on their 3-1 start and the fact that their schedule lines up very nicely. They need to stay healthy- Saquon, DJ, Leo, Dex, AT, Thibs, Azeez, Jackson, Neal and McKinney especially...those guys are the key to this team.

I like some of the vets they've brought in to shore up weaknesses (Moreau at CB, Jaylon Smith & Klein at LB) and I think the oline is continuing to gel- remember that 3/5ths of this unit wasn't here last year, and even Bredeson played sparingly. DJ has also cut down on mistakes.

IMO what they need most, besides health, is for pass catchers to emerge. Really hoping that can be Toney & Wandale as they have the pedigree and skillsets to make an impact. Need them on the field and integrated into the offense. Besides those 2, hoping we can get more out of Slayton. He at least offers the speed to take the top off the defense and isn't too far removed from being the guy who had 1105 yards and 10 tds in the first 19 games of his career.



Giants just lost to a Cowgirl team without their starting QB, but we're going to make the playoffs? We've beaten 2 (possibly 3) teams that won't make the playoffs.

This team has no chance to make the playoffs. Early in the tear, I'd have said the Lions, Seahawks, and Jags were wins...those games are crapshoots now. Houston is the only game the Giants should beat...every other game is 50/50, or worse. 7-10 is best case scenario with this offense...the odds Saquon stays healthy all year are low. Without him, this offense is the worst in football.




3-1 but they have no shot at the playoffs, Saquon likely to get hurt, 4-9 finish best case scenario.

I don't get it- you're a fan of the team, they are showing signs of life for the first time in 6 years, but from the looks of it you'd think they are 0-4. Why can't we have a little hope & optimism as fans?

The Titans were the 1 seed in a loaded AFC last year and besides AJ Brown I don't think they had much more talent than the Giants do.


Where are the wins it's going to take to make the playoffs? Where are the points it's going to take to beat good/decent teams. Every game will be close (or a blowout loss), simply because the Giants struggle to score 19 points. I see 3-3 quickly. Then I'll take a split in the next 4 (Jags and Det losses, Texans and Seahawks wins...although I wouldn't bet on a win against Seattle)...that's 5-5. After that...a split against Washington...and maybe a Colts win. That's 7 wins. This team isn't beating the Eagles, Packers, Ravens, or Cowboys...and we will be a dog against Minnesota. If Saquon or Thomas miss games...those are losses. The margin for error with this team is razor thin...that doesn't usually play out well over 17 weeks (see Detroit last year.)
It's a lot of ifs  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/5/2022 7:43 am : link
but if all these happen they should be able to get the game to the 4th QTR and win most Sundays.

I think if they can get back and keep the D guys healthy they have a shot. D right now is holding teams to 17.8 pts/game. This has been the big key with our O limitations. Thibs and Olijari need to advance and play well.
We're going to run out of players before we get to the playoffs  
Jimmy Googs : 10/5/2022 8:09 am : link
and that's not sarcasm...
RE: We're going to run out of players before we get to the playoffs  
Giantimistic : 10/5/2022 8:21 am : link
In comment 15846888 Jimmy Googs said:
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and that's not sarcasm...


That is my biggest concern. I think the best teams have the best depth. We have enough playmakers and potential developing players to get in but not if we are not healthy and lose key players
if they win enough games they will make the playoffs  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/5/2022 9:57 am : link
I'm not confident that they will -- talk to me after the next few games
I was thinking over the weekend, we have not played a team  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/5/2022 10:00 am : link
with a "dynamic" offense yet, like the Packers can be. So far, dragging teams down in the muck with us has been the MO.

We are not built to win 35-28, the weapons just aren't there. I think the Packers game will show whether the defense is good enough to continue playing "our" game.

Point is, I don't think this a playoff team yet because the offense is so limited.
playoffs is long shot  
uther99 : 10/5/2022 10:08 am : link
we needed muffed punts in two of the wins. The good luck will run out
Current formula for success is not sustainable  
JonC : 10/5/2022 10:08 am : link
over 17 games, and not if they somehow made the playoffs. Jones has to be much better, the OL and WRs have to be much better, they've got get and stay healthy, and the defense is not great versus the run.
we have alot of players coming back in second half of season.  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/5/2022 10:55 am : link
Lemiux, Roadarius williams, Aaron Williams, Elerson Smith, Lenorad Williams, -This will bolster the roster

None of our injuries have been catastrophic so far. We will be ok. This team is fighting and is very physical on offense and Defense. They will contend for a playoff spot going into December.
RE: I was thinking over the weekend, we have not played a team  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/5/2022 10:57 am : link
In comment 15846997 mikeinbloomfield said:
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with a "dynamic" offense yet, like the Packers can be. So far, dragging teams down in the muck with us has been the MO.

We are not built to win 35-28, the weapons just aren't there. I think the Packers game will show whether the defense is good enough to continue playing "our" game.

Point is, I don't think this a playoff team yet because the offense is so limited.


None of the defenses Aaron Rodgers has played this year have punched him in the face. The Giants D will punch aaron in the face this week. Green Bay is in for a Dogfight this weekend and they better bring their boxing gloves.
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Danny Kanell : 10/5/2022 10:59 am : link
While I agree with JonC's post, I think it's very possible. 9 wins likely gets in, so we need to find 6 wins. There are alot of very winnable games on the schedule. Washington twice, Lions, Texans, Colts, Seahawks. That's 6 very winnable games. Say we go 4-2 or 3-3 in those games. Can we find 2 or 3 more somewhere along the way? Jags, Vikings and Eagles aren't world beaters.

IMO, if we get there, it will be a product of very good coaching and a light schedule this year. And after all the crap the past decade, I'll take it. A playoff berth in year 1 of this regime would go a heck of a long way to building a sustainable new winning culture.
Yes  
Blue The Dog : 10/5/2022 11:18 am : link
If all the good things happen and none of the bad things happen, they will be a playoff team.
RE: RE: I was thinking over the weekend, we have not played a team  
giantstock : 10/6/2022 1:45 am : link
In comment 15847099 MartyNJ1969 said:
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In comment 15846997 mikeinbloomfield said:


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with a "dynamic" offense yet, like the Packers can be. So far, dragging teams down in the muck with us has been the MO.

We are not built to win 35-28, the weapons just aren't there. I think the Packers game will show whether the defense is good enough to continue playing "our" game.

Point is, I don't think this a playoff team yet because the offense is so limited.



None of the defenses Aaron Rodgers has played this year have punched him in the face. The Giants D will punch aaron in the face this week. Green Bay is in for a Dogfight this weekend and they better bring their boxing gloves.


Green Bay is way too balanced for the Giants Defense.
RE: It's a lot of ifs  
giantstock : 10/6/2022 2:07 am : link
In comment 15846874 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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but if all these happen they should be able to get the game to the 4th QTR and win most Sundays.

I think if they can get back and keep the D guys healthy they have a shot. D right now is holding teams to 17.8 pts/game. This has been the big key with our O limitations. Thibs and Olijari need to advance and play well.


The Defense is an illusion. They've played against two of the worst starting QB's in the NFL and overall 3 weak Offenses.

The one game they played against a pretty good Offense they got taken to the cleaners.
I think first "light schedule" needs to stop  
Matt M. : 10/6/2022 8:16 am : link
getting thrown around. That was based on last year's results. Some of the wins that are being thrown around (Seattle, Detroit, Jax) are not glimmers. Any team that's either putting up points or playing tough D with a pass rushers is going to be tough fornus to overcome...even if all the things in the thread starter happen.

I like that this team has found ways to win. 3-1 feels great and this team looks and feels better than anything we've seen in a while. But, I'm not counting on or expecting a single win the rest of the way. This team needs to play very clean in every facet of the game to win and get some breaks. I'm excited each week to see what happens, but expect nothing.
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