I'll admit....I liked him when they hired him....and was excited is 1st year...I thought he would do a really good job. Loved his old school demeanor, thoughts on football, approach. Then overtime realized he wasn't ready for modern football and he ended up really hurting the Giants. My biggest issues with him were the draft picks of Deandre Baker, Will Hernandez, possibly Kadarius Toney. And of course the Nate Solder and Golloday singings. The other gaffes, I think most GM's have. (Omameh, Jonathan Stewart, etc.)
What's interesting now, is the draft picks that are playing well or on the verge of playing well, seem to be his guys. And they could end up being the real cornerstones of the future.
Dexter Lawrence
Saquon Barkley
Xavier Mckinney
Azeez Ojulari
Andrew Thomas
Julian Love
Tae Crowder
possibly Daniel Jones
He also deserves credit for guys like:
Signing Adoree Jackson
signing Graham Gano.
discovering Nick Gates
trading for Leonard Williams, although his contract is inflated. Same with Bradberry.
Question is, what kind of legacy will Gettleman really have?
Again, I think he screwed up royally his last year....but he could end up being fairly average in terms of a GM grade.
Eric....I said he royally screwed up....and hurt the Giants.
They have such little offensive talent, they are basically running a college offense from 1965.
Other knockdowns:
* From Day 1, his stated goal was to get the OL in better shape, and it was in much worse condition when he left
* Resistance to using technology or analytics
* Shurmur, McAdoo and Judge hires
He wasn't batting .500.
He wrecked the franchise. Wrecked it.
It will take years to clean up.
I know....but I do think batting .500 is truly what most NFL GM's do.
I think Howie Roseman is the best.
Good question.
FFS!
That's how I feel.
Ray Handley can be greeted with open arms compared to Gettleman.
Huh? If you regularly draft two or three contributors every year you're on the plus side.
But I think its pretty clear the owners interfere. Hell they continue to do it.
I agree he left some very nice pieces and his vision still has a meaningful place. The problem was the execution.
The really big one is the OL is still a problem. This makes him a much bigger failure imv.
The HC selections. That is very collaborative. I also think he had a mandate with Eli.
Good thing is at least JS has more of a young baseline than what Dave started with.
Had a decent career as a scout and NYG head of pro personnel. 'Manager' part of the General Manager role was elusive.
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It's not good enough as a NFL GM.
Huh? If you regularly draft two or three contributors every year you're on the plus side.
I didn't expect anyone to do the math. Point is, yes he hit on some things, but man when he missed he really missed. Every GM is going to have some hits and some misses. He had way too many misses (big miss too) then he did hits.
When he signed Golladay, he probably knew his days were numbered and was hoping to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
But where I really cringed with him was his constantly being on his back foot with Leo and the contract negotiations after trading with the Jets. Has Leo turned out to be a good player...sure....but he held all the cards with Gettleman through the whole relationship.
Terrible. Unless the player is Tom Brady or a sure fire HOF'er, that should never happen.
At the end of the day, in his attempt to contend, he paid a lot of money to players who were clearly not worth it and put us in salary cap hell.
He was attrocious at team building, managing the cap, assessing FA value, dealing with the media, hiring coaches and pretty much most other gm duties.
seemed to have a decent eye for talent, as alot of the players you mentioned are exciting. I know some people want everything he touched dragged into the yard and burned, but I'm excited to see some of these guys under a real coaching staff.
When he signed Golladay, he probably knew his days were numbered and was hoping to pull a rabbit out of the hat.
But where I really cringed with him was his constantly being on his back foot with Leo and the contract negotiations after trading with the Jets. Has Leo turned out to be a good player...sure....but he held all the cards with Gettleman through the whole relationship.
Terrible. Unless the player is Tom Brady or a sure fire HOF'er, that should never happen.
Hernandez is not an athlete. I think in last 3-5 years....the best OL in the NFL are really athletic.
It was so bad that Schoen couldn't even afford to cut the players he wanted due to the overloaded and restructured contracts in place.
And there are still fans who can't resist the temptation to defend his performance if even to just suggest that he wasn't as bad as advertised? He was worse than most fans can even comprehend because most choose not to pay attention to the impact that cap dynamics have on the timeline of a rebuild.
THE only way to save some of DG's legacy is if Jones works out and brings a championship. That would be a big deal.
good riddance. screw that guy.
Identifying a good draft pick or signing here or there doesn't get around the broader issue of resource allocation. On that it was just constant, constant disappointment.
This. Holy hell.
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It's not good enough as a NFL GM.
He wasn't batting .500.
He wrecked the franchise. Wrecked it.
It will take years to clean up.
The franchise had half a decade of failure before Gettleman showed up. Gettleman hardly wrecked the franchise. They were a terrible team before he showed up. They were a terrible team with him. He failed to improve them into a contender, yes. But they were not a good team before he was there.
He's passed on three QBs right now who are on a legitimate HoF trajectory - Allen, Jackson and Herbert.
And in a league where having a great QB is paramount to consistent success, that is three doses of salt on a gaping wound...
I think if we'd moved on from Eli a couple years earlier, we'd be in a better position.
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It's not good enough as a NFL GM.
He wasn't batting .500.
He wrecked the franchise. Wrecked it.
It will take years to clean up.
Eric, how about we give Gettleman the BBI Giant of the Year award, just for being gone? Then when he shows up to receive it, you can read him some of the best thread comments about what a dope he was and how he destroyed the franchise.
I think if we'd moved on from Eli a couple years earlier, we'd be in a better position.
wasn't there a report out that Ben Mcadoo wanted to trade up for Patrick Mahommes and the front office rejected it?
Not only was DG a disaster, but the process that led to Accorsi/Mara hiring him was a complete embarrassment and sham.
That story should never be left out when reviewing the DG era...
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no1 really wants to talk about this, but what really hurt the Giants was keeping Eli Manning around too long.
I think if we'd moved on from Eli a couple years earlier, we'd be in a better position.
wasn't there a report out that Ben Mcadoo wanted to trade up for Patrick Mahommes and the front office rejected it?
Ncadoo is a QB guru, he was also right about Geno, Mayfield and Darnold!
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It's not good enough as a NFL GM.
He wasn't batting .500.
He wrecked the franchise. Wrecked it.
It will take years to clean up.
The franchise had half a decade of failure before Gettleman showed up. Gettleman hardly wrecked the franchise. They were a terrible team before he showed up. They were a terrible team with him. He failed to improve them into a contender, yes. But they were not a good team before he was there.
Was Gettleman handcuffed by the salary cap in any meaningful way when he took over?
Were there any players that he would have cut but he could not afford to?
Were there any players that he had no choice but to cut or restructure just to conform to the cap?
Did Reese, even in as weak a condition that he left the roster, ever find himself with so little cap room that he could not afford to fill out a complete roster during the season?
Simply by this context alone, compare the state of the roster when Gettleman took over to the state of the roster when Schoen took over.
No matter how poorly you think Reese managed the roster, Gettleman did worse, by orders of magnitude.
I think if we'd moved on from Eli a couple years earlier, we'd be in a better position.
Alternatively had they stuck with Eli through 2019, and waited for Herbert in 2020 the Giants are also better off.