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thoughts on Gettleman

Andy in Boston : 10/5/2022 11:50 am
I'll admit....I liked him when they hired him....and was excited is 1st year...I thought he would do a really good job. Loved his old school demeanor, thoughts on football, approach. Then overtime realized he wasn't ready for modern football and he ended up really hurting the Giants. My biggest issues with him were the draft picks of Deandre Baker, Will Hernandez, possibly Kadarius Toney. And of course the Nate Solder and Golloday singings. The other gaffes, I think most GM's have. (Omameh, Jonathan Stewart, etc.)

What's interesting now, is the draft picks that are playing well or on the verge of playing well, seem to be his guys. And they could end up being the real cornerstones of the future.

Dexter Lawrence
Saquon Barkley
Xavier Mckinney
Azeez Ojulari
Andrew Thomas
Julian Love
Tae Crowder
possibly Daniel Jones

He also deserves credit for guys like:

Signing Adoree Jackson
signing Graham Gano.
discovering Nick Gates
trading for Leonard Williams, although his contract is inflated. Same with Bradberry.

Question is, what kind of legacy will Gettleman really have?

Again, I think he screwed up royally his last year....but he could end up being fairly average in terms of a GM grade.


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Brett  
ryanmkeane : 10/5/2022 5:02 pm : link
my comments around Thomas are when he started playing games. First half of 2020 - posters were calling him a flat out bust, a terrible pick, and everyone was saying they wanted Becton and we should have picked Becton, or Wirfs for that matter.

Becton has to play right tackle because of his weight and can't play a game without getting injured.
Everyone huh?  
ajr2456 : 10/5/2022 5:04 pm : link
So you were the only Thomas fan?
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Gatorade Dunk : 10/5/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15847644 ryanmkeane said:
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my comments around Thomas are when he started playing games. First half of 2020 - posters were calling him a flat out bust, a terrible pick, and everyone was saying they wanted Becton and we should have picked Becton, or Wirfs for that matter.

Becton has to play right tackle because of his weight and can't play a game without getting injured.

Just a weird victory lap.

Do you want BBI to pull up every example of every player that you wanted to wait and see how it played out, only to see that litany of players ultimately flame out, one after another?

You say the same thing about every fucking player. You're bound to be right eventually, just like Gettleman himself. That's probably why you're one of his few remaining fans.
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ryanmkeane : 10/5/2022 5:05 pm : link
it seems right now that Schoen nailed the head coach, who also nailed his assistant coaching hires. To me that is more important than who the GM drafts.

Daboll hired a modern up and coming OC and a veteran DC, both of which seem to be in their lane and very good at it.
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ryanmkeane : 10/5/2022 5:07 pm : link
its no coincidence that someone like Ximines actually looks like a NFL player now that he has a better defensive coordinator.

No coincidence that Love looks like a starting NFL player now that he has a better coordinator.

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sb from NYT Forum : 10/5/2022 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15847616 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15847291 ryanmkeane said:


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for example, he drafted Andrew Thomas when basically everyone on this board and in the media said that was the wrong move amongst the available tackles.

Not only was it the right move, but Thomas is playing like the best left tackle in football at the age of 23.

The coaching selections and free agency moves were a disaster. But he may have selected the NFL's best offensive weapon and one of the game's best left tackles. And yet, most fans just don't want to admit that to be true.




Most people seemed to like the pick. Giants Draft Thomas - ( New Window )


Winner winner chicken dinner, yay me!
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Fucking awesome pick
sb from NYT Forum : 4/23/2020 9:29 pm : link
So happy
Wild thread  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/5/2022 5:31 pm : link
But something that isn't being brought up... as best I can tell anyway...

When you have years of opportunities to draft college football players, of course all of them aren't going to suck. If you draft a player projected to be 1st round or 2nd round talent, it doesn't matter if you arrived at that pick by putting on a blindfold and throwing a dart at the draft board.

So yeah, he drafted McKinney. He's a good football player. It doesn't mean he had some astute foresight in drafting him. Yes, I acknowledge that Gettleman drafted some good football players. But honestly? It almost doesn't matter. The draft is just the most visible moment for a general manager, but it's only one part of the job.

He's the worst GM in the history of the franchise. If you want to focus on the fact that some of the players he drafted don't suck, go ahead. To me, that's like finding a single pair of jeans that fit at Walmart and telling people ya know, Walmart actually has some nice stuff.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/5/2022 6:24 pm : link
Matt Millen drafted Shaun Rogers and Calvin Johnson, signed Dre Bly. He still sucked. He drafted some other Pro Bowlers too.

Thomas and Barkley are two of my favorite players on the team. They have been superb this season. Gettleman still sucks.
 
christian : 10/5/2022 6:49 pm : link
Andrew Thomas looked really bad in big stretches his rookie year, and without all of the information, it was pretty reasonable to be concerned.

It turns out Thomas had a foot injury early on, which required surgery and materially impacted his play.

If there weren’t mitigating factors to explain his bad performance, and that’s who he really was — that would have been a disaster.
The drafting got a lot better when Judge came aboard.  
Returning Video Tapes : 10/5/2022 6:53 pm : link
And you need to weight the decisions. He handed out arguably the two worst FA contracts in Giants history with one of those being arguably the worst in modern day history. He outbid himself on both price AND years for a guy he wanted to trade for until gramps had the keys taken away from him by Judge.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/5/2022 7:29 pm : link
Again, THE worst hire in Giants history, which dates back to 1925. THE worst. Yeah, he had a good pick here or there, but for every one of those...there were 10 horrific decisions. In all seriousness, I really believe you could have picked a random BBIer as GM instead of Gettleman & he does better.
Gettleman could accumulate some talent  
Sean : 10/5/2022 7:36 pm : link
However, he never built a team. He reminds me of Isiah Thomas during his Knick tenure. They both brought in some talented pieces, but in terms of eliminating distractions and building a winner it was a disaster.
James McCann  
allstarjim : 10/5/2022 8:30 pm : link
Hit a 3-run homer for the Mets tonight.

He still blows chunks.
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