The only thing I would consider trading him for would be for a QB that I wanted in the draft. Not just for picks but I would need to know that those picks would yield the QB and obviously a QB that I had a absolute conviction on.
Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
You mean some posters were impatient with Thomas and overreacted early on; so surprising, that rarely happens here.
Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
I don’t know about many but there was at least one poster who I know would’ve traded him, and this past off season too.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
I don’t know about many but there was at least one poster who I know would’ve traded him, and this past off season too.
Ok, yeah. You are right on that one and maybe a couple others in that inner circle. But even that was because of timing and not because of talent. He wanted alignment with the newly drafted franchise QB. Why pay for a franchise LT when you do not have the franchise QB....
Given his performance, position and rookie contract, AT is one of the few current untouchables on this team and hopefully a cornerstone for the next decade.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
I don’t know about many but there was at least one poster who I know would’ve traded him, and this past off season too.
Ok, yeah. You are right on that one and maybe a couple others in that inner circle. But even that was because of timing and not because of talent. He wanted alignment with the newly drafted franchise QB. Why pay for a franchise LT when you do not have the franchise QB....
True, context is important but it also seemed to me maybe a bit of an anti DG thing as well and no one he drafted was worth keeping.
I know a very special someone who would have traded Thomas
to get rid of every singe Gettelman pick because apparently, they were all bad. So bad that other teams would give us their picks for our terrible players. Fun times.
No I wouldn't trade Thomas. If his health is in check he's a top LT in the game.
you can't really do that kind of thing, it's not good for your team.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Thomas had a handful of games where he played really well last year mixed in with some pretty bad games, that were most certainly result of injury, and then ramping back up.
Like every fan I’m hopeful, love seeing him doing well, and when he’s interviewed seems like a great guy.
He’s having an unquestionably great year in 2022, but as a fan I’ll need to see him play a full year without missing, or being diminished by injuries to view him as untouchable.
Put another way if he misses a quarter of the year with an ankle or foot injury, I’d rather trade him than extend him.
you can't really do that kind of thing, it's not good for your team.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Ok, I can see that on what happened 1st two years, probably. But even with popularity contest of Pro Bowl/All Pro, you take the LT over the RT everyday - as they play today.
Yes, a and full of people complained about Thomas when he struggled his rookie year. It was dumb because he was a rookie. But do we also need a call out thread for all the people who anointed Slayton our #1 receiver his rookie year? Why do we only call out some of the fringe idiot posters?
People jump to conclusions on players. It happens. It is happeneing now with Evan Neal. It will happen with whoever we draft next year too, especially if it is a QB.
you can't really do that kind of thing, it's not good for your team.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Ok, I can see that on what happened 1st two years, probably. But even with popularity contest of Pro Bowl/All Pro, you take the LT over the RT everyday - as they play today.
The value of an LT vs. RT is not what it used to be their salaries are pretty much converging. So no, I don't do that every day. I take the best most durable player every day. Also, while the pro bowl is a popularity contest. I've never seen a 1st team all-pro that didn't earn their place on that team.
you can't really do that kind of thing, it's not good for your team.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Ok, I can see that on what happened 1st two years, probably. But even with popularity contest of Pro Bowl/All Pro, you take the LT over the RT everyday - as they play today.
The value of an LT vs. RT is not what it used to be their salaries are pretty much converging. So no, I don't do that every day. I take the best most durable player every day. Also, while the pro bowl is a popularity contest. I've never seen a 1st team all-pro that didn't earn their place on that team.
It is still a popularity contest. No matter how you cut it. Yes the players are deserving, but you could probably flip the top three at any position and it would be legit. Plus once you are on it, you remain on it.
And LT is still more highly regarded, even if the gap is closing(as it should IMHO), unless your QB is left handed.
It's just a homer-y thing to say Thomas over Wirfs
you can rationalize it however you want and you could certainly argue that Thomas is better than Wirfs this season but when picking a player consistency and health trumps. This guy has had a better 4 game stretch
RE: It's just a homer-y thing to say Thomas over Wirfs
you can rationalize it however you want and you could certainly argue that Thomas is better than Wirfs this season but when picking a player consistency and health trumps. This guy has had a better 4 game stretch
Over their careers, Wirfs has been better. Yes and health is a big part. He was probably going to be better year 1 even if Thomas had not injured the ankle, and maybe into mid-season year two. Since then, basically a wash. Who is better at that level of play is in the eye of the beholder and basically irrelevant.
you can't throw that out. And I really wouldn't say Thomas was just as good as Wirfs last year irrespective of that. It's really a stretch. But it doesn't matter either way, you can't just toss out health when it is one of the most important variables.
Why would you trade the best Lt in the league still under a rookie contract for any other lineman?
the real question is when do you extend Thomas ??
He can't be extended until after this season at the earliest. And if he continues with the season that he's having, he should be extended at the earliest possible opportunity as long as it represents a good value for the contract.
No one should ever reference game threads for anything at all. There needs to be a safe space for people to vent in the moment without it constantly being brought back up as though it is in any way comparable to a thoughtful post on a regular thread.
Is the Giants are on the clock at #11. The trade down with Chicago who takes Fields. Dallas grabs Parsons next (we could have had). We take Toney and this year it would have been a OL at #5 but we grab #5 and OL at #7. All three of the picks ( are two this year and Toney) started slow and Parsons is a stud! That’s why no patience. I understand why. Let’s hope they develop.
I would only consider trading him for Wirf if Neal looked unbelievable and had more upside at LT than AT.
I don't think we are there, so no need to trade AT - right now - for any of the players mentioned in the OP.
Of all of the players on this current roster, AT is the most untouchable for now.
Agree, especially the "for now" part. In general, I think the Giants would have to at least entertain trading anyone on this roster that gets interest, if high picks are being offered.
But, specific to this question at hand, I wouldn't trade him for those other OTs regardless.
the real question is when do you extend Thomas ??
Tunsil and Kenny Stills for Miami's:
2020 first-round pick
2021 first-round pick
2021 second-round pick
Cornerback Johnson Bademosi
Offensive lineman Julién Davenport
What is the point of this exercise?
Why even mention Becton? His capeer is probably over
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
You mean some posters were impatient with Thomas and overreacted early on; so surprising, that rarely happens here.
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Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
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Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
Ok, you and someone else?
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Is not that I want to trade Thomas for any of these guys, the point is to show how far Thomas has come in 2 years. A few years ago almost everyone on this board would have said yes to all 3.
Now? There’s maybe one guy you hesitate for, last years ALL PRO right tackle on his rookie deal.
Nobody was saying to trade Thomas ever. Some of the impatient complained his development was too slow and we should have taken Wirfs. His 1st year had the ankle but by game 8 he was showing promise. Last year he had the ankle again, but it was obvious that he would be good, as even hobbled he was stoning people. I think without the ankle he would have been very close to what we see now.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
I don’t know about many but there was at least one poster who I know would’ve traded him, and this past off season too.
Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
I don’t know about many but there was at least one poster who I know would’ve traded him, and this past off season too.
Ok, yeah. You are right on that one and maybe a couple others in that inner circle. But even that was because of timing and not because of talent. He wanted alignment with the newly drafted franchise QB. Why pay for a franchise LT when you do not have the franchise QB....
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Many would have traded him, I’ll admit it, I would have traded him for Whirfs in a second!
I don’t know about many but there was at least one poster who I know would’ve traded him, and this past off season too.
Ok, yeah. You are right on that one and maybe a couple others in that inner circle. But even that was because of timing and not because of talent. He wanted alignment with the newly drafted franchise QB. Why pay for a franchise LT when you do not have the franchise QB....
True, context is important but it also seemed to me maybe a bit of an anti DG thing as well and no one he drafted was worth keeping.
No I wouldn't trade Thomas. If his health is in check he's a top LT in the game.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Like every fan I’m hopeful, love seeing him doing well, and when he’s interviewed seems like a great guy.
He’s having an unquestionably great year in 2022, but as a fan I’ll need to see him play a full year without missing, or being diminished by injuries to view him as untouchable.
Put another way if he misses a quarter of the year with an ankle or foot injury, I’d rather trade him than extend him.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Ok, I can see that on what happened 1st two years, probably. But even with popularity contest of Pro Bowl/All Pro, you take the LT over the RT everyday - as they play today.
Wills is comparable talent wise, but he's having issues staying healthy as well.
People jump to conclusions on players. It happens. It is happeneing now with Evan Neal. It will happen with whoever we draft next year too, especially if it is a QB.
Sometimes we have a really whiney fan base.
DG! You’re on BBI.!
Gutsy.
And still wrong.
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you can't really do that kind of thing, it's not good for your team.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Ok, I can see that on what happened 1st two years, probably. But even with popularity contest of Pro Bowl/All Pro, you take the LT over the RT everyday - as they play today.
The value of an LT vs. RT is not what it used to be their salaries are pretty much converging. So no, I don't do that every day. I take the best most durable player every day. Also, while the pro bowl is a popularity contest. I've never seen a 1st team all-pro that didn't earn their place on that team.
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you can't really do that kind of thing, it's not good for your team.
If the question is do I think Wirfs is the better players? Yes absolutely. And I'd prefer him in a vacuum. He's an all-pro and he's missed zero games. In his career. Thomas is having a fantastic season but there are some practicalities that are important IMO.
Ok, I can see that on what happened 1st two years, probably. But even with popularity contest of Pro Bowl/All Pro, you take the LT over the RT everyday - as they play today.
The value of an LT vs. RT is not what it used to be their salaries are pretty much converging. So no, I don't do that every day. I take the best most durable player every day. Also, while the pro bowl is a popularity contest. I've never seen a 1st team all-pro that didn't earn their place on that team.
It is still a popularity contest. No matter how you cut it. Yes the players are deserving, but you could probably flip the top three at any position and it would be legit. Plus once you are on it, you remain on it.
And LT is still more highly regarded, even if the gap is closing(as it should IMHO), unless your QB is left handed.
Over their careers, Wirfs has been better. Yes and health is a big part. He was probably going to be better year 1 even if Thomas had not injured the ankle, and maybe into mid-season year two. Since then, basically a wash. Who is better at that level of play is in the eye of the beholder and basically irrelevant.
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Why would you trade the best Lt in the league still under a rookie contract for any other lineman?
the real question is when do you extend Thomas ??
He can't be extended until after this season at the earliest. And if he continues with the season that he's having, he should be extended at the earliest possible opportunity as long as it represents a good value for the contract.
I don't think we are there, so no need to trade AT - right now - for any of the players mentioned in the OP.
Of all of the players on this current roster, AT is the most untouchable for now.
No one should ever reference game threads for anything at all. There needs to be a safe space for people to vent in the moment without it constantly being brought back up as though it is in any way comparable to a thoughtful post on a regular thread.
I don't think we are there, so no need to trade AT - right now - for any of the players mentioned in the OP.
Of all of the players on this current roster, AT is the most untouchable for now.
But, specific to this question at hand, I wouldn't trade him for those other OTs regardless.