Now that Aaron Judge's historic Season of 62 Home Runs is behind us,it's time for the Sports Writers to voice their opinions about who the real Single Season HR King truly is.
I just listened to Manfred on Get Up with Mike Greenberg,and the commissioner is clearly unable to meet the moment on his own.
He deflected all attempts Greenie made to delineate the "Steroid Era" records from Judge's.
Do you agree,and if so,how do you see the best way to go about it?
As to Judge and 'roids BB12, Judge has been this size since college. You do not get to 6'7" by 'roids. Given that his size has been steady for nearly a decade, while not impossible, it is highly unlikely 'roids had anything to do with it. Look at McGwire, Bonds and Sosa and how their body changed well after 25/27 y/o in mass because of 'roids.
Its not to late for the BBWA to change their minds...they saw this season with their own eyes.
Dont they have a responsibility to the integrity of the game?
Jeez there was an asterisk on Maris' 1961 Season.
Why not do the same for the roid era?
Lmao I’m dying. Yea he took steroids so he could grow to 6 7 282. Holy hell do people know what peds actually do? Or anyone who has any muscle is a juicer?
For the life of me I don't understand Yankee fans trying to discredit everything from the steroid era (which would include their 3-4 championships), just to get Judge a record he otherwise shouldn't have. He had an incredible season and set the AL record for HRs. Enjoy it and quit bitching.
Honestly…who cares? How many of these “hallowed” baseball records had guys taking amphetamines on the reg? There’s a reason Adderall is on the banned substance list.
Personally I like the way the NFL does that, pretty much allow you to take a cycle of test year round if you want. There’s def guys that go above and beyond and risk getting popped, but the dudes that mysteriously somehow gain 10-20 lbs of pure muscle in a short off-season always seem to end up hurt (recently see Lorenzo Carter or Ojulari)
Has been throughout history. Aaron and Mantle used PEDs. Tatis just got busted. The steroid Karens are comical in their denial
There is nothing wrong with holding the AL HR record and the Yankee team record, with the Yankees being the most historic and accomplished franchise in sports history.
For the life of me I don't understand Yankee fans trying to discredit everything from the steroid era (which would include their 3-4 championships), just to get Judge a record he otherwise shouldn't have. He had an incredible season and set the AL record for HRs. Enjoy it and quit bitching.
If you cannot see that individuals are completely different than teams, you are foolish. So basically you are saying, that while many players on all teams were 'roiding, only the Yankees gained the advantage. Only a jealous Mets fan would suggest something so ludicrous.
And beside Clemens, which Yankees were juicers of that 96-01 team. Pettitte did it on the Astros afterwards. Maybe Wetteland. The rest of that team was pretty "skinny" and they did it with no one hitting more than 28 HRs(IIRC). Is it possible the Yanks had more users then I listed - of course. But to say THEY only won because of juicing ignores the fact that it would then have to be likely every other teams' players weren't, which we know is false.
Its not to late for the BBWA to change their minds...they saw this season with their own eyes.
Dont they have a responsibility to the integrity of the game?
Jeez there was an asterisk on Maris' 1961 Season.
Why not do the same for the roid era?
The thing is, during Bonds era there is no doubt that there were pitchers he faced that were also using PED's.
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math really isn't that hard. And why should only HRs not count during the steroid era? Why should championships of teams with a bunch of players on steroids count?
For the life of me I don't understand Yankee fans trying to discredit everything from the steroid era (which would include their 3-4 championships), just to get Judge a record he otherwise shouldn't have. He had an incredible season and set the AL record for HRs. Enjoy it and quit bitching.
If you cannot see that individuals are completely different than teams, you are foolish. So basically you are saying, that while many players on all teams were 'roiding, only the Yankees gained the advantage. Only a jealous Mets fan would suggest something so ludicrous.
And beside Clemens, which Yankees were juicers of that 96-01 team. Pettitte did it on the Astros afterwards. Maybe Wetteland. The rest of that team was pretty "skinny" and they did it with no one hitting more than 28 HRs(IIRC). Is it possible the Yanks had more users then I listed - of course. But to say THEY only won because of juicing ignores the fact that it would then have to be likely every other teams' players weren't, which we know is false.
You are foolish to think that only a couple hitters were using steroids. Hate to break it to you, but that simply wasn't the case.
A quick google search shows A-Rod, Clemens, Pettitte, Wetteland, Giambi, Kevin Brown, Mike Stanton, Denny Neagle, Jason Grimsley, Jim Leyritz, Chuck Knoblauch, Velarde, Canseco, Glenallen Hill, David Justice, Rondell White, Gary Sheffield. Many of those players were on championship teams there.
So it is acceptable for a single player to use, and his stats should be completely delegitimized? Yet, it is perfectly acceptable for a team to have a bunch of players cheating, and their accomplishments are legit? What kind of bizarre logic is that?
(And for the record, I don't advocating taking away any player or team accomplishments. I just advocate against such blatant hypocrisy)
Because they are the yankees! Lol. Most entitled cry baby fanbase in sports. The dallas cowboys of baseball.
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math really isn't that hard. And why should only HRs not count during the steroid era? Why should championships of teams with a bunch of players on steroids count?
For the life of me I don't understand Yankee fans trying to discredit everything from the steroid era (which would include their 3-4 championships), just to get Judge a record he otherwise shouldn't have. He had an incredible season and set the AL record for HRs. Enjoy it and quit bitching.
If you cannot see that individuals are completely different than teams, you are foolish. So basically you are saying, that while many players on all teams were 'roiding, only the Yankees gained the advantage. Only a jealous Mets fan would suggest something so ludicrous.
And beside Clemens, which Yankees were juicers of that 96-01 team. Pettitte did it on the Astros afterwards. Maybe Wetteland. The rest of that team was pretty "skinny" and they did it with no one hitting more than 28 HRs(IIRC). Is it possible the Yanks had more users then I listed - of course. But to say THEY only won because of juicing ignores the fact that it would then have to be likely every other teams' players weren't, which we know is false.
You are foolish to think that only a couple hitters were using steroids. Hate to break it to you, but that simply wasn't the case.
A quick google search shows A-Rod, Clemens, Pettitte, Wetteland, Giambi, Kevin Brown, Mike Stanton, Denny Neagle, Jason Grimsley, Jim Leyritz, Chuck Knoblauch, Velarde, Canseco, Glenallen Hill, David Justice, Rondell White, Gary Sheffield. Many of those players were on championship teams there.
So it is acceptable for a single player to use, and his stats should be completely delegitimized? Yet, it is perfectly acceptable for a team to have a bunch of players cheating, and their accomplishments are legit? What kind of bizarre logic is that?
(And for the record, I don't advocating taking away any player or team accomplishments. I just advocate against such blatant hypocrisy)
Your logic is flawed. You said the Yanks are delegitimized because they may have had users while at the same time saying many players throughout the league used also...it is a team game, if we accept that many players of all teams used, then all teams were on equal grounds. If all teams had players that were using, then no one team has an advantage - it is a wash. You cannot say only one team had an advantage, pretty simple.
As for Bond, et al, I have always felt that they still had to hit the ball, which is still hard enough. That is why I say it is up to each baseball fan to decide who is the leader. Bonds hit 73. I do not like it, but he still did it. He never hit more than 49 in any other year.
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In comment 15847991 KDavies said:
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math really isn't that hard. And why should only HRs not count during the steroid era? Why should championships of teams with a bunch of players on steroids count?
For the life of me I don't understand Yankee fans trying to discredit everything from the steroid era (which would include their 3-4 championships), just to get Judge a record he otherwise shouldn't have. He had an incredible season and set the AL record for HRs. Enjoy it and quit bitching.
If you cannot see that individuals are completely different than teams, you are foolish. So basically you are saying, that while many players on all teams were 'roiding, only the Yankees gained the advantage. Only a jealous Mets fan would suggest something so ludicrous.
And beside Clemens, which Yankees were juicers of that 96-01 team. Pettitte did it on the Astros afterwards. Maybe Wetteland. The rest of that team was pretty "skinny" and they did it with no one hitting more than 28 HRs(IIRC). Is it possible the Yanks had more users then I listed - of course. But to say THEY only won because of juicing ignores the fact that it would then have to be likely every other teams' players weren't, which we know is false.
You are foolish to think that only a couple hitters were using steroids. Hate to break it to you, but that simply wasn't the case.
A quick google search shows A-Rod, Clemens, Pettitte, Wetteland, Giambi, Kevin Brown, Mike Stanton, Denny Neagle, Jason Grimsley, Jim Leyritz, Chuck Knoblauch, Velarde, Canseco, Glenallen Hill, David Justice, Rondell White, Gary Sheffield. Many of those players were on championship teams there.
So it is acceptable for a single player to use, and his stats should be completely delegitimized? Yet, it is perfectly acceptable for a team to have a bunch of players cheating, and their accomplishments are legit? What kind of bizarre logic is that?
(And for the record, I don't advocating taking away any player or team accomplishments. I just advocate against such blatant hypocrisy)
Your logic is flawed. You said the Yanks are delegitimized because they may have had users while at the same time saying many players throughout the league used also...it is a team game, if we accept that many players of all teams used, then all teams were on equal grounds. If all teams had players that were using, then no one team has an advantage - it is a wash. You cannot say only one team had an advantage, pretty simple.
As for Bond, et al, I have always felt that they still had to hit the ball, which is still hard enough. That is why I say it is up to each baseball fan to decide who is the leader. Bonds hit 73. I do not like it, but he still did it. He never hit more than 49 in any other year.
Let me break it down to you simply: I don't think the Yankees are delegitimized. I specifically said that I don't believe any individual or team records should be taken away. What I was doing is pointing out the flaw in the logic in saying that Bonds' records are not legitimate (as if he were one of only a few hitters using), while arguing that the Yankees team accomplishments are legitimate, even though a crapton of players from those teams were using.
Let me break it down to you simply: I don't think the Yankees are delegitimized. I specifically said that I don't believe any individual or team records should be taken away. What I was doing is pointing out the flaw in the logic in saying that Bonds' records are not legitimate (as if he were one of only a few hitters using), while arguing that the Yankees team accomplishments are legitimate, even though a crapton of players from those teams were using. [/quote]
I ultimately agree, even if individual records are easier to achieve through chemical enhancement than team achievements. Bonds would have been great on any team and probably hits 80 if on the Yanks.
If you take Bonds 73 HR year and bring it back to his norm, about 45 HRs, he does not catch Aaron, but still hits 735/740.
Let me break it down to you simply: I don't think the Yankees are delegitimized. I specifically said that I don't believe any individual or team records should be taken away. What I was doing is pointing out the flaw in the logic in saying that Bonds' records are not legitimate (as if he were one of only a few hitters using), while arguing that the Yankees team accomplishments are legitimate, even though a crapton of players from those teams were using.
I ultimately agree, even if individual records are easier to achieve through chemical enhancement than team achievements. Bonds would have been great on any team and probably hits 80 if on the Yanks.
If you take Bonds 73 HR year and bring it back to his norm, about 45 HRs, he does not catch Aaron, but still hits 735/740. [/quote]
Based purely on Bonds HR history pre his roiding up...he comes nowhere close to 700
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math really isn't that hard. And why should only HRs not count during the steroid era? Why should championships of teams with a bunch of players on steroids count?
For the life of me I don't understand Yankee fans trying to discredit everything from the steroid era (which would include their 3-4 championships), just to get Judge a record he otherwise shouldn't have. He had an incredible season and set the AL record for HRs. Enjoy it and quit bitching.
If you cannot see that individuals are completely different than teams, you are foolish. So basically you are saying, that while many players on all teams were 'roiding, only the Yankees gained the advantage. Only a jealous Mets fan would suggest something so ludicrous.
And beside Clemens, which Yankees were juicers of that 96-01 team. Pettitte did it on the Astros afterwards. Maybe Wetteland. The rest of that team was pretty "skinny" and they did it with no one hitting more than 28 HRs(IIRC). Is it possible the Yanks had more users then I listed - of course. But to say THEY only won because of juicing ignores the fact that it would then have to be likely every other teams' players weren't, which we know is false.
Isn't that literally the same thing as saying that only Bonds (and McGwire and Sosa) derived an advantage from steroids when we know for a fact that many (most?) pitchers were also using during that era?
Ridiculously naive. I personally like the way the NFL handles it. Essentially says you can cruise on a low cycle of test year-round with its testing levels. Everything else we can try for and its your risk of getting caught. Generally the guys that caught are the ones that are abusing it. But at least it levels the playing field as there are only marginal benefits going above and beyond.
Shit I can name you three recent giants players right now that clearly spent their two months out of program gearing their balls off. The thing is those guys often end up getting hurt. Lorenzon Carter and Ojulari come to mind. Golden Tate needs HCG for pregnancy as a 30-year-old pro football player? Sure! Big Dex already got busted for Ostarine in college (which helps endurance) and all of a sudden dude can handle 90% of snaps, and looks as lean as he has since college, when he's been sucking wind on 50% of snaps and performing out of his mind in a contract year?
balls that are doubles or outs now were HRs
they couldnt even pitch to bonds it was so unfair
That's just how it is, and Bob Costas said it best "we have to accept it was the age of steroids".........
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Is that it seems to only apply to certain players accomplishments. There are players that have a blind eye turned to their steroid use (ex. Ortiz, David). Also, no one knows who is actually clean. I went to high school late 90s and at least a half dozen of my classmates took roids to play .500 high school football to think you know current players aren’t or haven’t used is beyond naive.
Ridiculously naive. I personally like the way the NFL handles it. Essentially says you can cruise on a low cycle of test year-round with its testing levels. Everything else we can try for and its your risk of getting caught. Generally the guys that caught are the ones that are abusing it. But at least it levels the playing field as there are only marginal benefits going above and beyond.
Shit I can name you three recent giants players right now that clearly spent their two months out of program gearing their balls off. The thing is those guys often end up getting hurt. Lorenzon Carter and Ojulari come to mind. Golden Tate needs HCG for pregnancy as a 30-year-old pro football player? Sure! Big Dex already got busted for Ostarine in college (which helps endurance) and all of a sudden dude can handle 90% of snaps, and looks as lean as he has since college, when he's been sucking wind on 50% of snaps and performing out of his mind in a contract year?
You guys are spot on about this. Recalls the peak of the Lance Armstrong era in cycling - poorly kept secret that most or all the best cyclists were doping, yet the Lance acolytes acted like any suggestion the one guy beating all of them for years wasn't clean was blasphemy.
Turns out everyone knew Lance was dirty, and they covered it up bc he was making everyone so much money.
Several years back I had 2 friends working in professional baseball, who used to share info about this and that. One's out of MLB now, the other promoted to a position so high he wouldn't share anything with me anymore.
Both said far more MLB players were on PEDs that anyone wanted to admit, and both named names of several prominent players that never got caught, but were widely know to be using PEDs too ( as in, they knew how they and other players were getting it and using it).
I won't name those names now, no point, but one was very popular and now a Hall of Famer, and people would lose their shit and attack me at any suggestion he wasn't clean
Point is, anyone vilifying Bonds, Clemens, ARod but assuming anyone else is clean is extremely naive.
As far as Bonds/Judge goes, Bonds hit 73. Judge is still the AL HR king and in baseball leading your league or holding a league record is still an important milestone even if its not the overall MLB record.
If you want to ignore Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa that's your own choice and I wouldn't hold it against you
I'm a diehard Yankees fan and Judge fan, and I love that he hit 62 HR.
But the downside of this record for MLB is that it forces the powers to be in the sport to once again have to field questions about the steroids era and the legitimacy of the MLB HR record.
As for Bonds, according to testimony during the BALCO scandal...
His jersey size grew from 42 to 52.
His hat size from 7 1/8 to 7 1/4.
His shoe size from 10 ½ to 13.
Bonds also gained at least 55 pounds since his days in Pittsburgh.
Athletes can gain weight without PEDs, but adult males do not suddenly increase their hat and shoe sizes, no matter how much weight they gain.
This was all started by the nerdy, virgin-tastic baseball writers during the late 90's Steroid era when guys like McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds were hitting a ton of HRs. And fans back then ate it up like the nerds that alot of baseball fans are.
I'm of the belief of, if you wanna use steroids/PEDs, use them. If you don't want to use them, then don't use them. But fans bringing certain players and even teams into is hilarious. Anything to run down the players and/or teams they're not a fan of.
I know that pitchers were taking to keep their arm strength up and fight thru the dead arm periods. I remember reading a story about a bullpen pitcher who pitched 3 straight days and on the 3rd day was still pumping it into the high 90s and everyone knew he was going a little overboard.
I think the issue with Bonds was that he was clearly a better player than 99% of his peers in the 90s. As steroids got more popular, Bonds saw guys coming closer to his level and decided that if everyone is doing it, he's going to level the playing field and his head doubled in size and he put up video game numbers. Bonds was a Hall of Famer before his steroid run ruined it.
Anyway, IMO, the guy who took the most shit unnecessarily was Giambi in the mid 2000s. As people came to grips on steroids, Giambi became the poster child and for nearly a good year was blasted by everyone while the other 100s of players hid and let him take all the arrows. I guess when you sign a massive free agent contract with the Yankees, that's part of the cost of doing business. But in such a crappy situation, I admired Giambi for not saying "You know what, screw all you people. You think I"m the only one doing this? It's everywhere." He shut up and just took the heat. Like when the Boston media saw Trot Nixon show up 30 pounds lighter and he said he gave up "cheese burgers" with a smile and a wink and they let it go.
The fuck they don't. My fitted hat size went up a size just from sitting on my ass during the initial Covid shutdown.
balls that are doubles or outs now were HRs
they couldnt even pitch to bonds it was so unfair
You're missing the point, no surprise there.
And beside Clemens, which Yankees were juicers of that 96-01 team. Pettitte did it on the Astros afterwards.
LOL! You think he only did it while on the Astros?!
If you believe that, I have this bridge to sell you...
Ruth set his then-MLB record (of 60) against an all-white league, with no night games (never mind day games after night games), and no air travel. Big advantage over Judge. Maris did it in an expansion year, with diluted pitching. Advantage over Judge. Sosa, McGwire and Bonds took steroids.
I agree that Judge's 62 might have been the most impressive of the records, because he hit 62 in modern conditions, against the best players, and there's no evidence that he's juicing. But in 60 years someone may look back at Judge and see a huge advantage we don't think about. I'm guessing most MLB fans didn't think much about Black players not being allowed. They probably just took it for granted, because that's how things were. Nor about day games, since night baseball wasn't a thing yet. Nor about travel.
If we're going to start throwing out old records, I'd favor throwing out every record from before they let the best players play. You could throw out every record before Jackie Robinson, or every record before the Red Sox integrated, or some arbitrary date in between. Never gonna happen, but that makes more sense to me than trying to define a "steroid era" (we're still in the steroid era) and choosing which records from that era count and which don't.
I am firmly in the camp that the Steroid Era was a joke and distorted the game of baseball. So, I do hold that against Bonds, Clemens, etc. And by MLB not doing something to adjust any of these records, shows, IMV, they were complicit in what was occurring.
But I'm not losing sleep over it because it is very complicated, especially with the HoF rewarding players who clearly used PEDs. By cherry picking which PED users get in and which don't, is a very bad look for the HoF.
I am firmly in the camp that the Steroid Era was a joke and distorted the game of baseball. So, I do hold that against Bonds, Clemens, etc. And by MLB not doing something to adjust any of these records, shows, IMV, they were complicit in what was occurring.
But I'm not losing sleep over it because it is very complicated, especially with the HoF rewarding players who clearly used PEDs. By cherry picking which PED users get in and which don't, is a very bad look for the HoF.
2) People may want to delineate a "steroid era
, but they are ignoring the fact that it was clearly not the first and likely not the last PED era. PEDs have come in many different forms for as long as the game has been played.
3) I completely get why people hate Bonds. He was a dick before, during, and after using. But, I really have no hatred for him or vitriol over his use. I kind of think he succeeded in proving his point. He may have started using for narcissistic reasons, but the bottom line is he was frustrated by the attention lesser players were getting while it was known they were using. He set out to show the league and media what it looks like when the best in the game uses.
4) Related to #3, one of the main reasons I don't hate Bonds is the selective outrage over certain players (Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens), accusations of others (Piazza and others), while completely and utterly ignoring clear use by some (namely Ortiz). Any writer, fan, or otherwise who complains about Bonds while supporting Ortiz for the HoF is full of shit and can fuck off, in my opinion.
5) The notion that the "steroid era" is over is also wrong. Just a few weeks ago, one of the biggest stars in the game was busted and suspended. If you think he is the only one using, you are naiive. The only difference between him and a lot of other players is he got caught.
6) I've said it many times - the ONLY player from the last 30 years who would absolutely shock me to learn was using at any time is Mariano Rivera.
7) I love Judge and my opinion is he is clean. But, that is based on what exactly? I don't know. Probably more hope than anything else. He could just as easily be using, like anyone else.
8) The eyeball test of a players body and/or growth is not 100% indicative of use or not use. There are different products taken for different purposes and results vary on the type of training done and the timing of usage. We are not in position to assume anyone is clean or dirty at this point.
Bonds didn't violate any existing rules. He didn't cheat. While I think less of Sosa and McGwire, they are in the same boat. Even once steroid use came to the forefront, MLB turned a blind eye for years before acting, as did the MLBPA. Both were complicit and continue to be so.
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I believe that Judge is now the all time single season HR king, others want to reward cheating and say its Bonds.
Reward cheating? Then why would you recognize Aaron, Mays, MAntle and others from their era for accomplishments when greenie usage, for example, was rampant? Or Ruth for his versions of PEDs? Or any other player? Hell, who knows how much DiMaggio's 10 cups of coffee impacted his play.
Bonds didn't violate any existing rules. He didn't cheat. While I think less of Sosa and McGwire, they are in the same boat. Even once steroid use came to the forefront, MLB turned a blind eye for years before acting, as did the MLBPA. Both were complicit and continue to be so.
Compiled by Bleacher Report:
"Based solely on appearances—i.e. players the size of houses and balls going over the fence at absurd rates—you'd think that steroids weren't against the rules in the 1990s.
They actually were.
In 1990, Congress cracked down on anabolic steroids with the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, which effectively made them an illegal drug. The next year in 1991, MLB Commissioner Fay Vincent made it clear in a memo that this was very much relevant to baseball.
Via ESPN.com:
The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game…
This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.
Like that, the league was put on notice that using steroids was against the rules. Any players who read the memo knew what the deal was."
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I believe that Judge is now the all time single season HR king, others want to reward cheating and say its Bonds.
Reward cheating? Then why would you recognize Aaron, Mays, MAntle and others from their era for accomplishments when greenie usage, for example, was rampant? Or Ruth for his versions of PEDs? Or any other player? Hell, who knows how much DiMaggio's 10 cups of coffee impacted his play.
Bonds didn't violate any existing rules. He didn't cheat. While I think less of Sosa and McGwire, they are in the same boat. Even once steroid use came to the forefront, MLB turned a blind eye for years before acting, as did the MLBPA. Both were complicit and continue to be so.
Compiled by Bleacher Report:
"Based solely on appearances—i.e. players the size of houses and balls going over the fence at absurd rates—you'd think that steroids weren't against the rules in the 1990s.
They actually were.
In 1990, Congress cracked down on anabolic steroids with the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, which effectively made them an illegal drug. The next year in 1991, MLB Commissioner Fay Vincent made it clear in a memo that this was very much relevant to baseball.
Via ESPN.com:
The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game…
This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.
Like that, the league was put on notice that using steroids was against the rules. Any players who read the memo knew what the deal was."
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of course pitchers used during that period....if any of them broke any records I would say the same thing...it seems that HRs were the biggest thing that benefitted from Roid use
balls that are doubles or outs now were HRs
they couldnt even pitch to bonds it was so unfair
You're missing the point, no surprise there.
Ok I will bite
What's the point...
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of course pitchers used during that period....if any of them broke any records I would say the same thing...it seems that HRs were the biggest thing that benefitted from Roid use
balls that are doubles or outs now were HRs
they couldnt even pitch to bonds it was so unfair
You're missing the point, no surprise there.
Ok I will bite
What's the point...
Did Judge have to hit against any steroid-assisted pitchers?
So his task was easier, no?