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Evan Neal’s rookie struggles

NJBlueTuna : 10/6/2022 12:03 pm
I know rookie tackles always have an adjustment and Neal has good physical attributes and a great mature mindset. However, I have always seen and heard he is top heavy and to compound it, lunges, and winds up on the ground a bit. Draft evaluators have pointed this out as have in season announcers and you can see it when playing back the game tape.

Rookie OL will often struggle, just like Thomas did (although I think a lot of it was his ankle which required 2 surgeries to hopefully correct), but is there a bigger flaw here (especially in pass protection) with Neal that can’t be coached out?

I am a big Neal fan, we need him to succeed and form a bookend tackle tandem for the next 10 years. Curious for others opinions on this.
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NJBlueTuna : 10/6/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15848437 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15848307 NJBlueTuna said:


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In comment 15848294 Eric from BBI said:


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You're asking if Neal will turn out like Thomas or Flowers?

Do you think anyone here actually knows the answer to that?




I didn’t ask that at all.



Sure you did.


Respectfully, please don’t put words in my mouth. Pet peeve of mine, thx
Ugh  
NJBlueTuna : 10/6/2022 3:22 pm : link
All I was asking is whether Neal’s issues with lunging and falling down can be coached out bc his size is unique at 6’7” and he is top heavy. It was intended as a legit question. I know he’s a rookie and is playing like a rookie with flashes of his draft status. That’s all I am asking. It’s not like 6’7” with his build offers a lot of comps that come to mind, at least to me. That’s all. And for the 3rd time, I am glad we drafted him and wish him success to form a bookend tackle tandem for the next decade.
RE: Ugh  
Joe in CT : 10/6/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15848598 NJBlueTuna said:
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All I was asking is whether Neal’s issues with lunging and falling down can be coached out bc his size is unique at 6’7” and he is top heavy. It was intended as a legit question. I know he’s a rookie and is playing like a rookie with flashes of his draft status. That’s all I am asking. It’s not like 6’7” with his build offers a lot of comps that come to mind, at least to me. That’s all. And for the 3rd time, I am glad we drafted him and wish him success to form a bookend tackle tandem for the next decade.


I think you need to look around the league and certainly in the past that there have been many OTs 6'7 or taller who have succeeded at a high level in the NFL. Is that what you are asking?
I think it’s fair to look at a young players’ really positive  
cosmicj : 10/6/2022 3:59 pm : link
Stretches of play and expect him to consistently approach that level as he matures.

Neal has already had stretches of dominant pass blocking. In the first half in week 1 vs TENN, their pass rushers had stretches of what looked to me like utter futility going against Neal.

The last couple of weeks have been rougher but all the signs on Neal look really favorable to me.
RE: I've watched a ton of  
cosmicj : 10/6/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15848524 allstarjim said:
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OL tape over the last 5-6 years of college OL. Neal's overall tape and physical profile taken together is as exciting as anyone I've watched.


Very encouraging to read this.
Neal  
Rambo89 : 10/6/2022 4:04 pm : link
Run the ball 60-70% of the time and let them do what they do best
Knock people backwards
The education of Evan Neal continues this Sunday  
M.S. : 10/6/2022 4:15 pm : link

Evan… meet your new teacher, Preston Smith.
RE: You gotta start questining stuff when the same issues he had in colleg  
nochance : 10/6/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15848333 Returning Video Tapes said:
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are getting exposed (poor balance and feet). The good news is if he doesn't figure it out at talent he can definitely be an elite guard. Time will tell.



He was not known for poor balance and feet. He was considered the #1 player in the draft for a time and a top 5 pick
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Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15848598 NJBlueTuna said:
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All I was asking is whether Neal’s issues with lunging and falling down can be coached out bc his size is unique at 6’7” and he is top heavy. It was intended as a legit question. I know he’s a rookie and is playing like a rookie with flashes of his draft status. That’s all I am asking. It’s not like 6’7” with his build offers a lot of comps that come to mind, at least to me. That’s all. And for the 3rd time, I am glad we drafted him and wish him success to form a bookend tackle tandem for the next decade.


Bryant McKinney, John Ogden, Orlando pace, Andrew Whitworth, jumbo elliott, were all 6'7 or taller. Joe Thomas and brick ferguson was 6'6.
To be clear, I am not cherry picking great players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2022 4:37 pm : link
My point is many OTs are actually that tall. Those are just the names that come to mind.

I dont think Neal is top heavy. He's decidedly lean for an Offensive Tackle. He is not carrying around belly weight or flab.
RE: Bobby Skinner  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/6/2022 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15848538 OntheRoad said:
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had some good comments on Neal's technique. He recognizes the flaws but is optimistic about Neal's ability to correct them.


This...I watched and Skinner said it wasn't perfect but shows improvement. The guy isn't Flowers. Erik Flowers looked the part but didn't have the skills, coachability or intangibility that Neal has. Neal is also a freak athlete for his size while Flowers was a lump on scholarship. All we can ask is weekly progress to get to where he is a strength. Patience
Doing some more homework on this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/6/2022 5:59 pm : link
Nate Solder (he was good before the Giants) was 6'9. Sebastian Vollmer 6'8, Matt Kalil 6'6, Reilly Reiff 6'6

Varying degrees of success, but finding that it's frankly not uncommon at all.
RE: To be clear, I am not cherry picking great players  
NJBlueTuna : 10/6/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15848707 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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My point is many OTs are actually that tall. Those are just the names that come to mind.

I dont think Neal is top heavy. He's decidedly lean for an Offensive Tackle. He is not carrying around belly weight or flab.


Thanks. He is lean but was concerned Re ability to anchor and with the height and fact he winds up on the ground quite a bit. Wanted to know if it could be coached out through technique or his height and not being bottom heavy presented additional obstacles.
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Milton : 10/6/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15848515 allstarjim said:
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Cowboys had him top 2 on their board overall, they've done really well in drafting OL.

Sy'56 gave him an 87 grade (future Pro Bowler)...

...His floor is better than average starting NFL tackle, his ceiling is what Andrew Thomas is doing right now.
Saying his ceiling is Andrew Thomas might be wishful thinking, but I agree with the gist of your comments. I'm in no position (expertise-wise) to have an opinion of my own on Neal and in the lead up to the draft I was put off by some of the negatives that draftniks like Sy'56 cited, but as you say, even those with criticisms gave him an overall high grade, certainly high enough for him to be at least a plus player at right tackle. And the endorsement from the Cowboys was very validating given their track record.
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